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Old 11th November 2016, 03:19 AM
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Guess I'll wait until Fedora 26

Well my friends, the Chromebook kinda died. It would freeze up every time I had more than 4 tabs open on the browser. I would have to do a hard reset every time. I really couldn't be as productive as I wanted to be.

So I had to say goodbye to the Chromebook. I love that operating system, easy to use and fast, and it just worked. Well until the issues I had started up.

So I bought a dirt cheap laptop. Quad core AMD processor, Radeon graphics, 4 GB system RAM, 500 GB hard drive. Nothing to get excited about. It works.

Problem is still Windows 10 for me. I seriously dislike how intrusive it is. So last night I installed Fedora. Everything was great up until I noticed that Fedora would not use my WiFi card. Guess it's just too new. So I had no choice but to reinstall Windows.

I figure I will buy a high end Chromebook around tax time.

(In case you all are wondering, the network card is a Realtek RTL8723BE model. I can't get it to work, nor do I really have the time to mess with it.)
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Old 11th November 2016, 05:04 AM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

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Well my friends, the Chromebook kinda died. It would freeze up every time I had more than 4 tabs open on the browser. I would have to do a hard reset every time. I really couldn't be as productive as I wanted to be.

So I had to say goodbye to the Chromebook. I love that operating system, easy to use and fast, and it just worked. Well until the issues I had started up.

So I bought a dirt cheap laptop. Quad core AMD processor, Radeon graphics, 4 GB system RAM, 500 GB hard drive. Nothing to get excited about. It works.

Problem is still Windows 10 for me. I seriously dislike how intrusive it is. So last night I installed Fedora. Everything was great up until I noticed that Fedora would not use my WiFi card. Guess it's just too new. So I had no choice but to reinstall Windows.

I figure I will buy a high end Chromebook around tax time.

(In case you all are wondering, the network card is a Realtek RTL8723BE model. I can't get it to work, nor do I really have the time to mess with it.)
Hi kona0197
I know that you are disheartened but this says it helps. Fedora is included as well as other distros. < forums.fedoraforum.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1774938 >
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Old 11th November 2016, 05:11 AM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

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So last night I installed Fedora. Everything was great up until I noticed that Fedora would not use my WiFi card. Guess it's just too new. So I had no choice but to reinstall Windows.


(In case you all are wondering, the network card is a Realtek RTL8723BE model. I can't get it to work, nor do I really have the time to mess with it.)
RTL-8723be card IS supported by Fedora and even RHEL - 7.3.

In fact, even if you install centos 7.2, you can install kmod-rtl8723be and wireless should work.

Below is the output from one of my laptops (running Centos 7.2) -

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mordor $ lspci | grep -i network
02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter


mordor $ cat /etc/redhat-release 
CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
What version of Fedora are you trying?
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Old 11th November 2016, 05:53 AM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

Version 24. But my predicament is that this is the only computer in the house and I have to other way to connect. :/
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Old 11th November 2016, 07:41 AM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

i can tell you one thing....
i have a very cheap laptop, a hp 255 G5 almost like yours (i guess). it has a amd apu, quad core, 1.8 ghz, e2-7110. 4 GB of ram and radeon r2 graphic (apu). now, i tried fedora 24 live and i can tell you that is unsuitable for using linux. it has two main issues: battery life and beats audio sound. the power consumption is the big deal, even using TLP, the laptop takes 4.6 W vs 3 W on windows 10 (while idle and screen turned off). unfortunately, you are stuck to opensource video driver.
so, it is your decision if you uwill use fedora or not, but it is good to know all the real facts.
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Old 11th November 2016, 10:19 AM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

Yeah, I have the AMD E2-7110 processor as well. Same graphic card as you to. I have noticed it does not like any version of Linux. :/
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Old 11th November 2016, 11:15 AM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

as for me, i am a linux fan back from 2010 and i can tell you that, i have tried ubuntu and fedora. ubuntu 16.10, kernel 4.9, even eats more power (1 w extra) than fedora 24 (kernel 4.5). both distributions on live USB. sadly for the owners of that kind of hardware, windows 10 is unbeatable. especially now when wyou can use windows without activation, but this is the other story.
this is one thing that makes me sad in the linux community, instead join their forces to working of power management, they go over all kind of DE or forks telling that this is "freedom".
no, when a machine eats 25-40% more battery, you have no freedon of choice.
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Old 11th November 2016, 12:29 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

I've been a person saying that all the distros should come together and fight Microsoft and Apple as one. At least set some standards.
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Old 11th November 2016, 01:03 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

there is gonna be a very hard fight because windows 8.1 and windows 10 are really very, very good OSs. i have installed w10 on an old FS amilo LI1705 and a could install the the video driver made for w vista, back in 2007. can you believe that? the same thing with a dell inspiron 1521, i installed video driver made in 2010. can you say this for a linux distribution? hell no!
i guess there is something wrong with a kernel structure, i do not know!
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Old 11th November 2016, 01:06 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

Unless manufacturers themselves actively work with the kernel developers so that laptop power management features are properly supported you will never get the same level of efficiency as with Windows. When you buy an off the shelf notebook system running Windows, there are bespoke power system management drivers loaded in by the manufacturer to make sure you get that long battery life. It isn't something Windows can manage all by itself. Manufacturers also add tweaked power profiles or eco-settings.

Each notebook manufacturer design and implement their power circuits differently and because you have more than one processor manufacturer, each with different ranges and socket types etc. it gets more and more complicated each level you drill down into. There is no common denominator or the kernel developers would have cracked this by now. It's not through lack of trying either. Expecting them to match Windows power saving without manufacturer input is being quite frankly unrealistic though.

I agree it could be better though.

As for trying to run on an E2-7110 system, before saying it doesn't like any version of Linux have you tried a lightweight desktop environment (spin) instead of the default Workstation, Unity, etc? XFCE, MATE and LXDE/LXQt are better suited to low end hardware. Lack of RAM is also most likely the culprit though for poor performance as you are increasing reliance on swap file usage. If you only have 1-2GB of RAM installed, a chunk of that will be utilised by the R2 GPU built into the E2-7110.
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Old 11th November 2016, 01:07 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

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I've been a person saying that all the distros should come together and fight Microsoft and Apple as one. At least set some standards.
That seems very unlikely. And standards do exist. What vendors would like is every Linux distribution being exactly the same, and that won't happen.

What is possible is that the larger corporate players -- Red Hat, Suse, Canonical, etc. -- might adopt common measures to encourage support. However, they have strong incentives to be divergent if they think that improves their product. And vendors who do not support Linux are unlikely to get in the game unless they see money in it, regardless.

In the end, if $X can be made on Linux, and $X+1 on Windows, at the same costs, people will go with Windows.
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Old 11th November 2016, 07:52 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

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As for trying to run on an E2-7110 system, before saying it doesn't like any version of Linux have you tried a lightweight desktop environment (spin) instead of the default Workstation, Unity, etc? XFCE, MATE and LXDE/LXQt are better suited to low end hardware. Lack of RAM is also most likely the culprit though for poor performance as you are increasing reliance on swap file usage. If you only have 1-2GB of RAM installed, a chunk of that will be utilised by the R2 GPU built into the E2-7110.
I actually dislike all of those DE. I prefer GNOME. And I'm running 4 GB of system memory. When in Fedora, system monitor says I am only running 1.9 GB of RAM out of 3.8. And I fear the spins would have the same issue, no working WiFi.
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Old 11th November 2016, 09:38 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

3.8Gib is 4.08GB or 4080MB. installed RAM is 4096MB (1x4096, 2x2048MB or 4x1024MB modules) so that is actually good news as it means the operating system can see and use all available memory.

But conversely it also partly explains the performance issues if your GPU is only being allocated around 16MB of RAM

In Windows they show the installed and usable (available) RAM in GB and not GiB. So it will always say 4.5GB or 4.25GB, 4GB etc. and not the actual available amount e.g. 4096MB installed RAM less shared GPU and allocated hardware memory addresses.

Using around 1.9Gib of RAM with GNOME in general usage as about right. Open a whole load of browser tabs in Firefox and a few applications and that will of course soon increase dramatically.

For comparison MATE on this desktop system is currently using 1.1GiB out of 7.25Gib available. My system has 8192MB of RAM aka 8GB or 7.62939453125GiB. The missing is used for shared GPU (AMD Athlon 5350 APU using integrated R3) and system hardware resources.
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Old 11th November 2016, 10:33 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

Well for the time being Windows 10 is behaving itself. It's a HP laptop, so I had to get rid of all the bloatware when I bought it. I actually downloaded a Windows 10 ISO from Microsoft and installed that. It activated just fine. Seems the activation code is built into the motherboard. Or Microsoft knows this machine was already activated. Anyhow, it runs OK. Turned off all the privacy stuff. Still would feel better with Linux. Think I'll just buy another Chromebook in a few months, but this time I get one with a I5 CPU and 8 GB of RAM.
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Old 11th November 2016, 11:18 PM
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Re: Windows 10. Again. :(

You might get some additional items about privacy under Win 10 from this Network World article.
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