A few F12 questions after installing

[coyoteboy]

I've just popped F12 onto a spare machine, intending it to replace the FC4 server I have running at the moment, however I'm struck by a few differences.

1- it's lovely, I'm much prefering it and even on fairly modest hardware (athlon XP 2500+ and 1 gig of ram) it's running really quickly.

but...

2- What happened to the services listing/GUI? What's it been replaced with that I can't see? I'm back to commandline for now with chkconfig?
3- And how come some of my packages seem to do sweet FA when installed? I dropped in X11VNC and a couple of others (lm_sensor, ksensor) and while Ive not set up lm_sensors yet, X11VNC doesn't seem to do ANYTHING when executed (no PID that seems to correlate) and no errors given.

Comments...
4- Yum (add/remove software) now seems to work well. I like it, especially the terminal-automated installing of packages, wonderful.
5- Installation of the nvidia drivers was a breeze, desktop effects work a charm and smoothly on a lowly machine.
6- My 2500+ that runs at 45/50C in XP sits at 35 in F12 heavily loaded. Whatever is being done, it's doing it right!

Any help/comments appreciated, I'd like to get to know this one a bit better.

[madhavdiwan]

1) glad you like it, i do too
2) the services gui is still there.. its called Services and its usually under the System/Administration menu
3) if you do not configure it , it will not work the way you want. As for x11vnc, try looking in the System/Preferences menu for Remote Desktop. Yes, Linux calls it Remote Desktop too. It is desktop sharing after all, whether it's Windows or Linux X server. And they can both be done with, you guessed it : VNC

4) yum I like .. and hate.
5) lets hope nvidia continues to be nice
6) look at the change logs for the kernels .. a lot of work has been done since WInXP came out

[coyoteboy]

) the services gui is still there.. its called Services and its usually under the System/Administration menu

Hmmm not on my system it isn't - that's where I was looking (same as F8 and F10 IIRC) but it certainly isnt there on this one!

3) if you do not configure it , it will not work the way you want. As for x11vnc, try looking in the System/Preferences menu for Remote Desktop. Yes, Linux calls it Remote Desktop too. It is desktop sharing after all, whether it's Windows or Linux X server. And they can both be done with, you guessed it : VNC

Yup, granted that does make sense, but I am pretty used to F now (I've spent a LONG time with various versions of it including compiling my own kernels and creating modules for realtime hardware interface work, but wouldn't consider myself an expert by any stretch) and I've yet to find a less intuitive installation end-result. "you've installed this package, would you like to run it?" click run button - nowt. Close window, find it in menu, click it - runs. WTF?
Installed lm_sensors, it seemed to catch all deps but then when I attempt to configure it it doesnt seem to be fully installed - im missing the ability to detect what sensors are available. Tried remote desktop through the usual vino server but it seems to be blocked out by the firewall, with no checkbox for exception in the standard list, so I will have to toddle off and determine which port to open.

It was late, maybe I'm being a bit picky/thick.

Re WinXP - I've tested W7 on the same machine, it's better than XP but still not THAT chilly!

[madhavdiwan]

1) see if you have the system-config-services package installed .. that package is what creates the services icon.

2) to detect the probes use sensors-detect .. it will also configue your config file for you

sensors-detect script is part of lm_sensors package

root@server2 ~]# rpm -qf `which sensors-detect`
lm_sensors-3.1.1-4.fc12.x86_64

3) from your post: "Close window, find it in menu, click it - runs. WTF?" Do you still have a x11vnc issue? .. the man page for x11vnc is pretty straight forward. .. so is the initial configuration panel on gui startup.

4) as for vino .. the vino-preferences dialog will alow you to configure networking to automatically accept connections .. its a checkbox.

[coyoteboy]

1) see if you have the system-config-services package installed .. that package is what creates the services icon.

Will double check tonight, it was a scratch "default" install off the live CD so I've no reason to assume not, hence the confusion.

2) to detect the probes use sensors-detect .. it will also configue your config file for you

Yup, used it before, but couldn't seem to find sensors-detect anywhere in the filesystem, as root or otherwise.

3) from your post: "Close window, find it in menu, click it - runs. WTF?" Do you still have a x11vnc issue? .. the man page for x11vnc is pretty straight forward. .. so is the initial configuration panel on gui startup.

I don't seem to get a config panel for it, clicking the icon in the main menu (apps>system>x11vnc IIRC) does sod all. That's my point. I'm starting to wonder if something is mysteriously borked silently.

4) as for vino .. the vino-preferences dialog will alow you to configure networking to automatically accept connections .. its a checkbox.

It's not the vino accepting the connection that's the fault, its not having anything open on the firewall I think. vino is running, as is SSHd as a side note, but doesn't respond in any manner when I try to connect. The same happens with SSH - despite being ticked as OK in the firewall I cannot SSH into the machine from another on the same network. ssh was "ticked" in the firewall as standard.

I've got 3 possible presumptions, one is that I'm being very stupid (it was late, and I'm not immune to stupidity ), one is that my system installation didn't go wholely well but I've not seen any errors/warnings that would lead me to believe so, or c) something has changed fairly drastically from F8 (massively locked down live config where all services/apps need specific config modification in order to get them to work.

I'll fire it up tonight and see which of the above it is.

Cheers for the feedback!

[Gaurav Prabhu]

You'll need to install "system config service" package. It is not available in the CD-ROM image.

[coyoteboy]

Oh, curious that it has been removed from the defaults

[madhavdiwan]

some packages are not critical to a functioning system from a live dvd .. the full dvd does have the package available