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Old 21st April 2017, 04:46 PM
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Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

So I went to remove sendmail and the following aare also going to be removed:

Removing:
google-chrome-stable x86_64 58.0.3029.81-1 @google-chrome-unstable 205 M
google-chrome-unstable x86_64 59.0.3071.9-1 @google-chrome-unstable 222 M
hdparm x86_64 9.48-2.fc24 @fedora 161 k
man-db x86_64 2.7.5-3.fc25 @@commandline 1.8 M
redhat-lsb x86_64 4.1-33.fc25 @@commandline 0
redhat-lsb-core x86_64 4.1-33.fc25 @@commandline 45 k
redhat-lsb-cxx x86_64 4.1-33.fc25 @@commandline 0
redhat-lsb-desktop x86_64 4.1-33.fc25 @@commandline 0
redhat-lsb-languages x86_64 4.1-33.fc25 @@commandline 814
redhat-lsb-printing x86_64 4.1-33.fc25 @@commandline 0
sendmail x86_64 8.15.2-7.fc25 @@commandline 1.7 M
sendmail x86_64 8.15.2-8.fc25 @System 1.7 M
tlp noarch 0.9-5.fc25 @updates 205 k
tlp-rdw noarch 0.9-5.fc25 @updates 29 k
util-linux-user

that doesn't make any sense to me. Should it?
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Old 21st April 2017, 05:21 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

Definitely this is not right.
Code:
[paul@Brody ~]$ rpm -qa | egrep "google-chrome-stable|hdparm|man-db|redhat-lsb|tlp|util-linux-user"
hdparm-9.48-2.fc24.x86_64
redhat-lsb-submod-multimedia-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
redhat-lsb-printing-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
redhat-lsb-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
redhat-lsb-desktop-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
redhat-lsb-cxx-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
redhat-lsb-submod-security-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
redhat-lsb-languages-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
google-chrome-stable-58.0.3029.81-1.x86_64
man-db-2.7.5-3.fc25.x86_64
redhat-lsb-core-4.1-33.fc25.x86_64
util-linux-user-2.28.2-2.fc25.x86_64
[paul@Brody ~]$ rpm -q sendmail
package sendmail is not installed
I also do not have any other "mta" (Mail Transport Agent) installed, as determined by alternatives.

But you have TWO instances of sendmail listed as installed, which is also "not right"
Code:
sendmail x86_64 8.15.2-7.fc25 @@commandline 1.7 M
sendmail x86_64 8.15.2-8.fc25 @System 1.7 M
What happens if you try uninstalling just the earlier version?
Code:
# dnf remove sendmail-8.15.2-7.fc25
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Old 21st April 2017, 06:45 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

Trying to uninstall either has the same result.
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Old 21st April 2017, 07:06 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

This is the ONLY thing about Linux (at least Red Hat flavors, only ones I've tried) that Windows does better and I miss it! In Windows, when you install software, dependent files have "counters" that are incremented. When you remove software, the counter gets decremented and dependencies only get removed when the counter is zero. It is NOT a perfect system as occasionally the counter get's out of sync due to a failed install/double install/failed uninstalls,l - you know.

In Linux (RH, at least as my experience), a dependency gets removed (if you agree**) by the very first app you uninstall for which it was a dependent. I know there has to be some reason for this, but I am unable to think of it.

** Lesson: NEVER use the "-y" argument for a removal!

P.S. As a result, and against advice, I use "rpm --nodeps" to remove apps that want to destroy my system.I
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Old 21st April 2017, 07:09 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

There is always rpm.
Code:
# rpm -evh --nodeps sendmail-8.15.2-7.fc25 sendmail-8.15.2-8.fc25
Or you could try them one at a time. You will not get a "yes/no" prompt with rpm. It will just do what you command. The "--nodeps" option will prevent any dependency packages from being removed along with sendmail.
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Old 21st April 2017, 07:15 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

Ha! Was editing in my P.S. comment while PabloTwo was posting! Sorry.
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Old 21st April 2017, 08:12 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

Great minds think alike!

That worked, thanks folks.
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Old 21st April 2017, 08:59 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

Removing programs is like unscrambling an egg. I learned many years ago, not to ever uninstall anything - not worth the potential trouble.

If you don't want something installed, don't install it in the first place.

If you don't want a service to run, just stop the service, don't try to uninstall it.
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Old 21st April 2017, 09:24 PM
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Re: Removing sendmail removes Google Chrome?

I wonder is stopping/disabling the sendmail.service prior to trying to uninstall it would have made any difference? Sendmail is pretty much a default package with most Fedora releases, so choosing not to install it in the first place is mostly irrelevant in this case I think.
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