F9 disappointing, reverting to F8!!!

[Danapani]

Well, my lucky streak of upgrading soon after the release of Fedora has come up has come to a SCREACHING halt!

1) F8 -> F9 upgrade failed to update the boot area. Kept trying to boot the F8 kernel. There was some blurb during the upgrade it couldn't find the /boot area to update. It defaulted to leave it alone which I took.

2) When I kept booting the F8 kernel, I then tried the update again, this time telling it to install a new boot area. It crashed shortly after that with some PY error.

3) I think tried a FULL F9 INSTALL over the top of the old stuff, figuring letting it start from scratch totally. That install worked. I could boot and come up, BUT

4) It would no longer allow my NV graphics / 1280x1024 LCD screen to run in anything other than 800x600 mode. I even tried to hand massage the xorg.conf file with the modes I had set in the F8 xorg.conf file to see if I could coax higher res out of it. NFG. Every time, it reverted.

This left me with big happy icons and not enough screen real estate to even twiddle the network card settings (OK button was below the screen area). Not even my Yahoo! Mail worked correctly because it required 1024x760.

SOOOOO, I reverted to F8, booting the original F8 install DVD and am now in the middle of downloading 429 updates to bring F8 back up to speed. I'm going to camp on F8 for a few more months until I can get rid of this fracking nVidia based computer thwarts me at every turn.

Ok, F9 you win. I've learned my lesson. Just another M$ style system. Never install the first release of anything. (I've upgraded from RH9 to FC2, and installed or upgraded each release with little issues UNTIL NOW!)

[leigh123linux]

Well, my lucky streak of upgrading soon after the release of Fedora has come up has come to a SCREACHING halt!

1) F8 -> F9 upgrade failed to update the boot area. Kept trying to boot the F8 kernel. There was some blurb during the upgrade it couldn't find the /boot area to update. It defaulted to leave it alone which I took.

2) When I kept booting the F8 kernel, I then tried the update again, this time telling it to install a new boot area. It crashed shortly after that with some PY error.

3) I think tried a FULL F9 INSTALL over the top of the old stuff, figuring letting it start from scratch totally. That install worked. I could boot and come up, BUT

4) It would no longer allow my NV graphics / 1280x1024 LCD screen to run in anything other than 800x600 mode. I even tried to hand massage the xorg.conf file with the modes I had set in the F8 xorg.conf file to see if I could coax higher res out of it. NFG. Every time, it reverted.

This left me with big happy icons and not enough screen real estate to even twiddle the network card settings (OK button was below the screen area). Not even my Yahoo! Mail worked correctly because it required 1024x760.

SOOOOO, I reverted to F8, booting the original F8 install DVD and am now in the middle of downloading 429 updates to bring F8 back up to speed. I'm going to camp on F8 for a few more months until I can get rid of this fracking nVidia based computer thwarts me at every turn.

Ok, F9 you win. I've learned my lesson. Just another M$ style system. Never install the first release of anything. (I've upgraded from RH9 to FC2, and installed or upgraded each release with little issues UNTIL NOW!)

If you can't even get a nvidia card to work in linux ( Nvidia is one of the easiest cards to get working in linux ) , perhaps you would be better off using Windows instead !

[Dan]

That's the trouble with gambling and bull fighting ...

Sometimes, Señor ...

the bull ...

... he wins too!

http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/sho...d.php?t=174492

[robertdaleweir]

I upgraded to F9 from F8 and am having a problem getting my Network running. I have two NIC Cards in my machine and have had no problem with F8 and Network access.
My upgrade did allow me to get by the NV 6600GT but on bootup skips the NV Drivers and chooses something itself, which works fine. I have learned not to twiddle with Video stuff if it is at least working.
I have a lot of extra Apps installed and a full install would not serve my purpose. I am disappointed but I also know that these upgrades are frought with issues.
As of now I am on an old Win2k machine serving up this tale of woe. I actually was bragging to a friend and am a bit embarrassed to tell him of my situation...
Hoping for better times...
Robert

[mbokil]

In general, never upgrade always install new. Having said that, I upgraded from Fedora 8 to Fedora 9 but I ended up doing some editing in config files to get everything copacetic. Fedora 9 is actually quite nice. I have an older system and don't bother with 3D effects or Nvidia drivers so my system is simpler. I like the fact that Fedora is a free software model and doesn't rely on proprietary software. Sure, I lose some pazazz but it works well enough for me to do production work on it all day long. Something that works so well and cost me nothing is absolutely the opposite of POC.

[Muhahahahaz]

If you can't even get a nvidia card to work in linux ( Nvidia is one of the easiest cards to get working in linux ) , perhaps you would be better off using Windows instead !

Dude, it's actually pretty hard in F9 because they decided to use some crappy beta Xorg. I finally got it to downgrade to Xorg 1.3, but it was a lot of work.

In any case, it's much easier to install video drivers in Ubuntu. ONE CLICK!

[Radicalation]

My experience is probably the complete opposite of this... I did a fresh install of F9 replacing F7 and everything worked the first time. In fact, in F7 the highest resolution I could get was 832 x 624 (weirdest resolution I've ever heard of), but in F9 the default was set to 1024 x 768 .

I was also expecting a great deal of chaos considering I was installing on the second day after release, but luckily I got a pretty much flawless install which I am currently enjoying.

[Wayne]

Thread title edited for content.

Wayne

[Danapani]

Dude, it's actually pretty hard in F9 because they decided to use some crappy beta Xorg. I finally got it to downgrade to Xorg 1.3, but it was a lot of work.

We both know somethin the poster above doesn't. Nvidia is the devil. I will never bild another system using nvidia stuff. Never.

Ok, not F9 then, seems to be an Xorg issue, then. Thanks for confirming. Had I known (how? even possible?), I would have figured out another way. I think I can drop a different video card in my box. It's an older Shuttle. The specs says it has an AGP 3.0 (8x) slot. Will an AGP Radeon based card work better than in the stupid inbilt nvidia video?

I'm reverted to F8 (full install) and just about have everything setup again (hate Totem, love Mplayer, icetea doesn't work, but java 1.6 does, etc., etc., etc.).

Not sure what do to. Gots 13 months to get me off of F8. New box? New video?

[Danapani]

That's the trouble with gambling and bull fighting ...

Sometimes, Señor ...

the bull ...

... he wins too!

http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/sho...d.php?t=174492

Thanks, Dan, but this wasn't an upgrade vs fresh install problem in the end. Sure, the fail to boot the correct kernel was, but in the end, even when I did a full install, the results were a failure for me. 800x600 resolution in F9 after having 1280x1024 in F8, was the deal killer.

The poster above identified that xorg was the culprit. I poked around several hours trying to find a solution, but in the end, a computer is a tool and when the tool no longer works, time to find a new tool (or an old tool in this case, F8).

My title was correctly edited, I was disappointed. My criticism a bit sharp, mostly out of frustration.

And to the poster with the Windows comment. You are fine ambassador for Fedora. I am and will remain a Fedora fan. I go back to Red Hat 7. I've installed every Fedora except Fedora Core 1 (which would have reverted some functionality I already had in Red Hat 9). Had I known F9 was going to break my video, I would have figured a way around it rather than jump in with both feet. But as Miller's law goes: you don't know how deep the puddle is until you step in it. Indeed I did.

[leigh123linux]

We both know somethin the poster above doesn't. Nvidia is the devil. I will never bild another system using nvidia stuff. Never.

Ok, not F9 then, seems to be an Xorg issue, then. Thanks for confirming. Had I known (how? even possible?), I would have figured out another way. I think I can drop a different video card in my box. It's an older Shuttle. The specs says it has an AGP 3.0 (8x) slot. Will an AGP Radeon based card work better than in the stupid inbilt nvidia video?

I'm reverted to F8 (full install) and just about have everything setup again (hate Totem, love Mplayer, icetea doesn't work, but java 1.6 does, etc., etc., etc.).

Not sure what do to. Gots 13 months to get me off of F8. New box? New video?

I wouldn't buy a ATI card as the support in linux is terrible .


P.S ATI is also unsupported by the fglrx driver in F9 !

[leigh123linux]

Thanks, Dan, but this wasn't an upgrade vs fresh install problem in the end. Sure, the fail to boot the correct kernel was, but in the end, even when I did a full install, the results were a failure for me. 800x600 resolution in F9 after having 1280x1024 in F8, was the deal killer.

The poster above identified that xorg was the culprit. I poked around several hours trying to find a solution, but in the end, a computer is a tool and when the tool no longer works, time to find a new tool (or an old tool in this case, F8).

My title was correctly edited, I was disappointed. My criticism a bit sharp, mostly out of frustration.

And to the poster with the Windows comment. You are fine ambassador for Fedora. I am and will remain a Fedora fan. I go back to Red Hat 7. I've installed every Fedora except Fedora Core 1 (which would have reverted some functionality I already had in Red Hat 9). Had I known F9 was going to break my video, I would have figured a way around it rather than jump in with both feet. But as Miller's law goes: you don't know how deep the puddle is until you step in it. Indeed I did.

Thanks I do my best

[Wayne]

My title was correctly edited, I was disappointed. My criticism a bit sharp, mostly out of frustration.

Forum policy is to edit any threads that may contain excessive language. Sure, you were frustrated and you vented, but we do like users to try and keep it clean. Some of us are still too young to be reading such things

Wayne

[Danapani]

I wouldn't buy a ATI card as the support in linux is terrible .


P.S ATI is also unsupported by the fglrx driver in F9 !

Ok, help out a fellow Fedorian. Given the constraints of my older Shuttle, with an AGP 3.0 (8x) slot. What video card should I purchase that would be supported by open source drivers in the xorg suite? I refuse to kiss the nVidia proprietary pig (even though they put lipstick on the pig with their "easy to install" drivers via scripts)!

Thanks!

[JN4OldSchool]

Ok, help out a fellow Fedorian. Given the constraints of my older Shuttle, with an AGP 3.0 (8x) slot. What video card should I purchase that would be supported by open source drivers in the xorg suite? I refuse to kiss the nVidia proprietary pig (even though they put lipstick on the pig with their "easy to install" drivers via scripts)!

Thanks!

Why are you blaming nVidia? Why should they release a driver for something that does not officially exist? nVidia is your best bet with linux, but if you insist on ATI be my guest. Just dont trash the nVidia card because you will want it back within a week.

Two posts you said how hard you searched for answers? Not very hard as this problem has been well known and talked about months BEFORE F9 was released! That ambassador you are speaking of has done more for Fedora than any five of us combined, if you knew half the stuff Leigh does around here you would show a little respect. In fact, he has a great howto on reverting back the xorg server so you can use your nvidia card.

edit: Here, before you go ripping into your shuttle, see this:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpo...29&postcount=2

It is not that hard, though I agree you shouldnt have to do it in a released distro. But let's put the blame where it belongs. I am sure nVidia will be releasing a driver post-haste (they already have the beta out) and Livna will be offering it before you know it.