Nautilus 3.6 "a catastrophe"

[Dan]

If low resource drain, lightning fast and fully functioning on older hardware are big parts of the package ... give Enlightenment a try.

It also has the benefit of some really nice eye candy possibilities -- if that's something you'd also like.

[zenlunaticc]

These "forks" aren't really doing anything. They're hacking GNOME code. A couple releases ago of MATE was just a changelog full of, "Remamed gnome-* to mate-*". Did unity and cinammon create GTK+ or any other essential parts of a desktop? No, they didn't. I love GNOME2 as much as anyone else, but MATE has no where near the momentum to improve or support all the core features that GNOME provided. I predict MATE will die soon with GNOME2 in favor of XFCE. That is what the threat is, not "will GNOME die".

I'm all for hacking around and creating new things and taking risks, but to even venture into "is GNOME threatened by X" is ludicrus. These projects are getting so much limelight and they owe everything to GNOME, when lets see, Debian pretty much led the way for Xorg on every alternative architecture, Fedora has led the way for Noveau and Intel drivers... where is the news!

[Finalzone]

Those forks (especially Cinnamon) are nothing more than extensions.

From post #20

Under the Remove Existing Feature Category we have:

Remove Show/hide Toolbar
Remove Show/hide statusbar
Remove Computer place
Remove Compact view
Remove Extra Pane
Remove Tree sidebar
Remove typeahead find
Remove Go menu
Make search per directory and remove folder selector
Disable selection of source directories for move/copy destinations
Remove Accessed column
Remove manual layout for all but Desktop
Don't save zoom per-folder
Don't show folder context menu in list view

Those listed removal of functionalities can be reintroduced through add-ons like for example, nautilus-extrapanel.

[zenlunaticc]

Exactly Finalzone, exactly. The proof is in the pudding folks.

Also I'd like to say that GNOME 2 took about 8 years to reach a state where people like it enough to actually go through lengths to continue using it when it reached EOL. GNOME 3 is about 18 months old... (according to wikipedia).

[Dan]

The proof is in the pudding folks.

Aye. Exactly. And with that in mind ... I recommend trying E17. <....>

[zenlunaticc]

Yeah that was a bad phrase but...

Originally Posted by Finalzone

Those forks (especially Cinnamon) are nothing more than extensions.

From post #20

Those listed removal of functionalities can be reintroduced through add-ons like for example, nautilus-extrapanel.

That comment is irrelevant as there are non packaged in the repo's.


P.S cinnamon uses a different framework called applets, these differ from extensions as they have no location hardcoded in them (they can be moved anywhere on the panel).
Cinnamon can also use the extension framework,
The changes go deeper than that, the runtime requirements are less ( no telepathy/empathy, gdm or evolution deps ).

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Originally Posted by zenlunaticc

Exactly Finalzone, exactly. The proof is in the pudding folks.

Also I'd like to say that GNOME 2 took about 8 years to reach a state where people like it enough to actually go through lengths to continue using it when it reached EOL. GNOME 3 is about 18 months old... (according to wikipedia).

Gnome3/shell probably rocks if it was used on a tablet device but it will always suck for productive desktop use.
I'm going to enjoy watching Window 8 fail for the same reason

[Finalzone]

Originally Posted by Yellowman

That comment is irrelevant as there are non packaged in the repo's.

It will be a matter of time when they will be released. Remember the complain when Gnome 2 desktop no longer has open terminal menu by default? Same process will occur.

P.S cinnamon uses a different framework called applets, these differ from extensions as they have no location hardcoded in them (they can be moved anywhere on the panel).

Panel-dockles extension demonstrated that Gnome Shell can have those listed abilities elimitating the need of legacy applets from Gnome 2.x.

Cinnamon can also use the extension framework,

Bringing the redundancy to use applets, doesn't it?

Gnome3/shell probably rocks if it was used on a tablet device but it will always suck for productive desktop use.

False myth as I use it for productive desktop use. Same for my friends and relatives a few training.

Originally Posted by Finalzone

It will be a matter of time when they will be released. Remember the complain when Gnome 2 desktop no longer has open terminal menu by default? Same process will occur.


Panel-dockles extension demonstrated that Gnome Shell can have those listed abilities elimitating the need of legacy applets from Gnome 2.x.


Bringing the redundancy to use applets, doesn't it?


False myth as I use it for productive desktop use. Same for my friends and relatives a few training.

Panel-dockles extension demonstrated that Gnome Shell can have those listed abilities elimitating the need of legacy applets from Gnome 2.x.

Cinnamon doesn't use legacy applets from Gnome 2.x.

panel-docklet looks promising but still isn't as good as cinnamon applets.
G-S extensions are still flawed as they require a certain version to run, this increases the risk of breakage.

False myth as I use it for productive desktop use. Same for my friends and relatives a few training.

You can deny this all you like but it's a fact, not all people find G-S productive !!!

[Dutchy]

Nautilus 3.6 "a catastrophe"

Well, it depends how you look at it.
The type to search is definitely an improvement, the looks are also better.
It totally depends on your usage whether it will be a positive or negative update.
And if you do not like it you could use nemo.

[Finalzone]

Originally Posted by Yellowman

Cinnamon doesn't use legacy applets from Gnome 2.x.
panel-docklet looks promising but still isn't as good as cinnamon applets.
G-S extensions are still flawed as they require a certain version to run, this increases the risk of breakage.

Flaws that can be resolved by applying similar implementation from Mozilla like developer tracking the change within version.

You can deny this all you like but it's a fact, not all people find G-S productive !!!

Same apply to any desktop environment.

[solo2101]

one word.....one word only.... meh!!