fedora software center? - Page 3

#31 18th September 2011, 08:46 AM

i still dont see why Fedora needs a newer Package Management software. yeah i knew what u meant but as i said above. PackageKit is gaining newer Technology in it with each release, , there is a difference with a " App Store " and just plain FREE Software" Packager . i havent used SC3 i just dont care for it . but 1) its bloated with useless stuff in it you dont really need. just to get Software. i dont need a Software Centre telling me .. this such and such software has more stars on it than any other. if i want a certain software. i'll type it in Search in yum command line or ADD/Remove

fedvasu · #32 18th September 2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by detox

i still dont see why Fedora needs a newer Package Management software. yeah i knew what u meant but as i said above. PackageKit is gaining newer Technology in it with each release, , there is a difference with a " App Store " and just plain FREE Software" Packager . i havent used SC3 i just dont care for it . but 1) its bloated with useless stuff in it you dont really need. just to get Software. i dont need a Software Centre telling me .. this such and such software has more stars on it than any other. if i want a certain software. i'll type it in Search in yum command line or ADD/Remove

true dat and yumex is better than add/remove IMHO

Kaylus · #33 3rd December 2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by solo2101

The “stay with the old system” attitude does not help that much either, especially that there are a lot of new users coming to Fedora because of the gnome change. I would like to see one for Fedora.

I sincerely agree, it was the attitude prevalent in the nix community > 10 years ago and it never was very helpful. While that attitude has started to fade, some people still persist and would love to stay with that old system. It's the same attitude that the people out there still using OS/2 display "I can do everything I need on this, so why change?".

Just because some are fine with the status quo doesn't mean they should try to force that opinion on others with useless statements like "Go use Ubuntu then, I like my CLI". Perhaps they would do to re-read the missions of the Fedora Project:

* The Fedora Project always strives to lead, not follow.
* The Fedora Project consistently seeks to create, improve, and spread free/libre code and content.
* The Fedora Project succeeds through shared action on the part of many people throughout our community.

Improvement and innovation don't come from "stay with the old system" attitudes. While I have no problem with "yum" nor any problem compiling my own applications I don't think that my methods need to be enforced on others nor do I think they are always the best methods.

Sorry, even though yumex is a nice package manager it is not comparable to the software centers/application stores/appcafes etc. that are out there.

Of course we probably should remove the GUI altogether. There are CLI methods of doing everything already and everyone knows that it's so much more efficient! /end

jpollard · #34 3rd December 2011, 09:58 PM

The major problem with a software center/application store is that fedora changes so much and fast that many such applications may break.

Especially if they do some system things or require daemons to be started at boot time.

#35 3rd December 2011, 11:10 PM

i dont think Fedora needs a copy cat of what Ubuntu has.

solo2101 · #36 4th December 2011, 07:22 PM

the only problem I see with yum... is that you need to know the name of the packages you want to install.

jpollard · #37 4th December 2011, 07:23 PM

How is that a problem?

You always have to know what you want to install.

solo2101 · #38 4th December 2011, 07:29 PM

not if you are new and you have no idea what software is available.
and the only thing you see are the name of packages that you have no idea what they do...

AndrewSerk · #39 4th December 2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by solo2101

the only problem I see with yum... is that you need to know the name of the packages you want to install.

Yum can handle some pretty generic terms too. You can use the "yum search all SOMETHING"

and "yum info package_name" for a description

jpollard · #40 4th December 2011, 07:32 PM

Then you can always learn.

The description of the contents are available - you just have to ask for it.

"yum info ..."

Quote:

info Is used to list a description and summary information about
available packages; takes the same arguments as in the List
Options section below.

**AdamW** · #41 5th December 2011, 09:29 PM

the proposal for Fedora is effectively just a UI layer on top of the existing packages in the distribution and existing package managers. It's just a more application-focused front-end for PackageKit, essentially. Other front-ends - gpk-application and yum - would of course continue to exist, and this thing wouldn't have its own parallel repositories, or anything.

it'd just be about identifying 'applications' rather than 'packages' (which can be done via .desktop files) and providing a more app-focused UI, maybe with detailed information and ratings, for people who are looking for 'a tool to achieve task X' rather than people who already essentially know what package they're looking for.

jwele · #42 7th October 2012, 07:12 PM

Someone should make a Application Store web site. I know that it seems unnecessary due to the technical abilities of Fedora users to make software center application to replace add/remove software. My whole reference point to necessity of a software store is the success of centralized repositories in other areas. What would web sites be without google, businesses without BBB, Wine be without WineHQ, yellowpages be without yelp etc. It is about ratings and comments. I don't know if this project has been picked up further from the original date of this posting but It gets me thinking. Add remove software to a new user, like it was to me, a hectic anarchy of random packages. When you search for one specific program many dependencies show up cluttering the user from choosing a good package.

We have to take a psychological approach to this. The more useless or seemingly useless packages a new users downloads the more negative reinforcement is put upon the user to not want to try out cool free software, that is if the software is old/low grade software. I think this is a place where a web site can pick up the scruff. It could easily integrate with sites like FB, G+ with that share technology. A place where developers would be eager to upload screen shots and in one place put up a concise wiki describing their software and receive feedback on it. It has a multiplier effect to be able to quickly fix common issues where people who are new would have no idea how to report to the developer, and to get them fixed quickly.

Sorry If this is considered necroing a thread. Hopefully someone with enough time will develop a rpmbazaar.com or something similar.

w2ibc · #43 8th October 2012, 04:24 AM

I hated Ubuntu's "software center" I also dont need a website to install stuff (remember CNR? horrible...)

ubuntu has apt-get or synaptic
fedora has yum

thats all i need

Demz3 · #44 8th October 2012, 04:49 AM

follow this post http://lists.fedoraproject.org/piper...er/172091.html

#45 8th October 2012, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jwele

Someone should make a Application Store web site. I know that it seems unnecessary due to the technical abilities of Fedora users to make software center application to replace add/remove software. My whole reference point to necessity of a software store is the success of centralized repositories in other areas. What would web sites be without google, businesses without BBB, Wine be without WineHQ, yellowpages be without yelp etc. It is about ratings and comments. I don't know if this project has been picked up further from the original date of this posting but It gets me thinking. Add remove software to a new user, like it was to me, a hectic anarchy of random packages. When you search for one specific program many dependencies show up cluttering the user from choosing a good package.

We have to take a psychological approach to this. The more useless or seemingly useless packages a new users downloads the more negative reinforcement is put upon the user to not want to try out cool free software, that is if the software is old/low grade software. I think this is a place where a web site can pick up the scruff. It could easily integrate with sites like FB, G+ with that share technology. A place where developers would be eager to upload screen shots and in one place put up a concise wiki describing their software and receive feedback on it. It has a multiplier effect to be able to quickly fix common issues where people who are new would have no idea how to report to the developer, and to get them fixed quickly.

Sorry If this is considered necroing a thread. Hopefully someone with enough time will develop a rpmbazaar.com or something similar.

This already exists, you have Bodhi and bugzilla.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/

Why should Fedora cater for the stupid?, they have dumbed it down enough IMO.

As a developer/packager I would boycott any crappy app like software-center.