MATE on F18

[droidhacker]

Originally Posted by deanej

Are you by any chance a Gnome developer droidhacker? You seem to have their attitude.


This is quite false. Fallback mode is quite limited compared to Gnome 2. For one thing, panel applets are gone.

No they aren't, they're precisely the same.

A lot of customization is gone.

NO loss of customization.

Many of the apps are losing features (such as nautilus). The new gnome lock screen is the stupidest thing ever devised (seriously, you have to drag the mouse across the screen just to get to the password prompt!). And to top it off, it's very UGLY with the Gnome 3 theme.

You type your password with the keyboard and press <enter>. No mouse required. Not sure what you're on about here.

Cinnamon had to fork a bunch of code because the gnome developers refused to fix some bugs that were preventing some cinnamon features from working properly, and the APIs don't have the needed functions. These change requests were also rejected by the gnome team.

Where did they send them? /dev/null?

Originally Posted by droidhacker

No they aren't, they're precisely the same.


NO loss of customization.


You type your password with the keyboard and press <enter>. No mouse required. Not sure what you're on about here.


Where did they send them? /dev/null?

gnome bugzilla = /dev/null

[BBQdave]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

No they aren't, they're precisely the same. NO loss of customization.

OK, OK... Gnome 3 fallback mode is just that... a graphics fail safe for hardware to run Gnome 3

Depending on which end of the bar you are sitting... Gnome 3 changes UI function or limits UI function compared to Gnome 2.

I think it is a stretch to say Gnome 3 fallback is Gnome 2 style UI - function

Besides, Gnome 3 fallback is going away; and MATE is the continuing of Gnome 2.

[R3v0lut10nary]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

No they aren't, they're precisely the same.
NO loss of customization.

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

No Jedi mind tricks. What version of Gnome are you using? 9.1?

[deanej]

Originally Posted by R3V0LV3R

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

No Jedi mind tricks. What version of Gnome are you using? 9.1?

Better question: has this Gnome shill ever actually used fallback mode? Or, for that matter, Gnome 2?

droidhacker, show me the weather applet for Gnome fallback mode. Show me the options that disappeared while transitioning from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. Read the Gnome design docs for the new lock screen. You do realize that one classification of a bug is "won't fix", right? That's exactly how the gnome team classifies anything they don't want to hear. At the very least, you are VERY ignorant of the subject being discussed. Please educate yourself before posting again.

Originally Posted by droidhacker

No they aren't, they're precisely the same.


NO loss of customization.

With these two comments, you have just proven that you have never used either Gnome 2 or fallback mode (most likely both).

You type your password with the keyboard and press <enter>. No mouse required. Not sure what you're on about here.

I guess I'll have to give you this, as the new lock screen looks like it's been pushed back to Gnome 3.6; it was supposed to be in 3.4.

Where did they send them? /dev/null?

Pretty much. They just said "we don't want to fix this, get lost".

Have you seen the concepts for the new nautilus yet? Or any of the other "upgrades" the gnome team is planning? The forums are riddled with one gnome fail after another.

[droidhacker]

Originally Posted by R3V0LV3R

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

No Jedi mind tricks. What version of Gnome are you using? 9.1?

As of gnome 3.4, I've switched to gnome-shell. Prior to that, it was FAR FAR too unstable and non-customizable to suit my needs even remotely. Now that there are adequate plugins to make gnome-shell look and work exactly like I had gnome-panel configured, and the overall thing has become dependably stable, I've made the change over.

With gnome 3.0 and 3.2, I was certainly still using gnome-panel, as I have since I came to Fedora back when FC3 was "current".

No mind tricks.

ONE caveat to consider... with gnome3, a "protection" function was added to gnome-panel, to prevent you from accidentally dragging plugins and panels around. Now, you just press and hold ALT in order to get the full utility back.


Regardless of what they're calling it, gnome-panel has NOT deteriorated with gnome3. It is still the same old gnome-panel that everybody knows and loves.

As for nautilus.... well, that HAS certainly been severely damaged. The stupid button directories... worthless, but set it for text location field, and there is no PARENT DIRECTORY button.... WTF??!?!?!? And I hear that gnome 3.6 will FURTHER destroy what was once a great file browser.

Of course, nautilus can be replaced by itself, need not be used in conjunction with gnome3.

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Originally Posted by deanej

Better question: has this Gnome shill ever actually used fallback mode? Or, for that matter, Gnome 2?

droidhacker, show me the weather applet for Gnome fallback mode. Show me the options that disappeared while transitioning from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. Read the Gnome design docs for the new lock screen. You do realize that one classification of a bug is "won't fix", right? That's exactly how the gnome team classifies anything they don't want to hear. At the very least, you are VERY ignorant of the subject being discussed. Please educate yourself before posting again.


With these two comments, you have just proven that you have never used either Gnome 2 or fallback mode (most likely both).


I guess I'll have to give you this, as the new lock screen looks like it's been pushed back to Gnome 3.6; it was supposed to be in 3.4.


Pretty much. They just said "we don't want to fix this, get lost".

Have you seen the concepts for the new nautilus yet? Or any of the other "upgrades" the gnome team is planning? The forums are riddled with one gnome fail after another.

I see that I'm facing ignorance in its most pure form. Too bad you never bothered to look yourself. As for me, I've used gnome panel since FC3. Yes, THREE, not thirteen.

And I have no interest in worrying about gnome 3.6. It doesn't exist yet. This discussion is restricted to versions UP TO AND INCLUDING 3.4.

Oh, and just TRY running gnome-shell on a f**cing intel GMA5xx/6xx. No 3d accel + weakass CPU = good luck with that. So yeah, I STILL use gnome-panel on one of my machines... which is running F17.

I see that you joined this forum in 2011.
NEWB.

Originally Posted by droidhacker

As of gnome 3.4, I've switched to gnome-shell. Prior to that, it was FAR FAR too unstable and non-customizable to suit my needs even remotely. Now that there are adequate plugins to make gnome-shell look and work exactly like I had gnome-panel configured, and the overall thing has become dependably stable, I've made the change over.

With gnome 3.0 and 3.2, I was certainly still using gnome-panel, as I have since I came to Fedora back when FC3 was "current".

No mind tricks.

ONE caveat to consider... with gnome3, a "protection" function was added to gnome-panel, to prevent you from accidentally dragging plugins and panels around. Now, you just press and hold ALT in order to get the full utility back.


Regardless of what they're calling it, gnome-panel has NOT deteriorated with gnome3. It is still the same old gnome-panel that everybody knows and loves.

As for nautilus.... well, that HAS certainly been severely damaged. The stupid button directories... worthless, but set it for text location field, and there is no PARENT DIRECTORY button.... WTF??!?!?!? And I hear that gnome 3.6 will FURTHER destroy what was once a great file browser.

Of course, nautilus can be replaced by itself, need not be used in conjunction with gnome3.

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I see that I'm facing ignorance in its most pure form. Too bad you never bothered to look yourself. As for me, I've used gnome panel since FC3. Yes, THREE, not thirteen.

And I have no interest in worrying about gnome 3.6. It doesn't exist yet. This discussion is restricted to versions UP TO AND INCLUDING 3.4.

Oh, and just TRY running gnome-shell on a f**cing intel GMA5xx/6xx. No 3d accel + weakass CPU = good luck with that. So yeah, I STILL use gnome-panel on one of my machines... which is running F17.

I see that you joined this forum in 2011.
NEWB.

I joined this year so what label would you give me other than ******

[deanej]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

As of gnome 3.4, I've switched to gnome-shell. Prior to that, it was FAR FAR too unstable and non-customizable to suit my needs even remotely. Now that there are adequate plugins to make gnome-shell look and work exactly like I had gnome-panel configured, and the overall thing has become dependably stable, I've made the change over.

With gnome 3.0 and 3.2, I was certainly still using gnome-panel, as I have since I came to Fedora back when FC3 was "current".

No mind tricks.

ONE caveat to consider... with gnome3, a "protection" function was added to gnome-panel, to prevent you from accidentally dragging plugins and panels around. Now, you just press and hold ALT in order to get the full utility back.


Regardless of what they're calling it, gnome-panel has NOT deteriorated with gnome3. It is still the same old gnome-panel that everybody knows and loves.

As for nautilus.... well, that HAS certainly been severely damaged. The stupid button directories... worthless, but set it for text location field, and there is no PARENT DIRECTORY button.... WTF??!?!?!? And I hear that gnome 3.6 will FURTHER destroy what was once a great file browser.

Of course, nautilus can be replaced by itself, need not be used in conjunction with gnome3.

---------- Post added at 09:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:01 AM ----------



I see that I'm facing ignorance in its most pure form. Too bad you never bothered to look yourself. As for me, I've used gnome panel since FC3. Yes, THREE, not thirteen.

And I have no interest in worrying about gnome 3.6. It doesn't exist yet. This discussion is restricted to versions UP TO AND INCLUDING 3.4.

Oh, and just TRY running gnome-shell on a f**cing intel GMA5xx/6xx. No 3d accel + weakass CPU = good luck with that. So yeah, I STILL use gnome-panel on one of my machines... which is running F17.

I see that you joined this forum in 2011.
NEWB.

You could drop the attitude; you're not leaving a good impression and it doesn't leave me disposed to take anything you say very seriously.

I too used Gnome 3.0/3.2 with extensions to make it function like I want. Then cinnamon came out and I decided that, rather than use a bunch of extensions (that could break at any time given the gnome team), I'd just switch to a DE that already functioned like I wanted. Been happy ever since, though I'll be switching to MATE for performance reasons.

[DBelton]

Everyone, do away with the personal attacks. They have no place here in these forums.

Oh, droidhacker, I would like to simply state you are totally wrong about Yellowman being a NEWB.

[solo2101]

Hummm....... sorry guys... don't want to interrupt with my totally off topic question...

Will there be a spin?? Will MATE be in the repos??

[kevdora]

Originally Posted by solo2101

Hummm....... sorry guys... don't want to interrupt with my totally off topic question...

Will there be a spin?? Will MATE be in the repos??

looks like no spin from this thread
http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=281554

[deanej]

That thread also significantly pre-dates this news.

[Misfit138]

I'm a KDE guy, but I can appreciate the simplicity and lightweight feel of GNOME 2.
GNOME 3 seems like a solution in search of a problem to me.

[markie83]

personally I have moved on to XFCE and the experience is close enough for me compared to gnome2/mate......mate has alot of problems with leaning on old gnome libraries etc and it needs a clean break from all of that etc.

I really think that mate comming to fedora 18 has alot to do with RHEL7 being based on f18.......I think by the time RHEL7 comes out it will be sporting a mate desktop. The paying ENTERPRISE RHEL customers are not going to tolerate having gnome3/shell forced on them.....after all they are paying customers and I dont think its too much to ask (or provide) a traditional desktop out of the box for them.

I think RH sees the writing on the wall and if they can make the transition from gnome2 to mate be as simple as a quick cheat sheet with the new names for the programs they will be ok......if they let the upstream dictate the desktop for their customers they will have a disaster on their hands.

If I was a RHEL customer had to mess with installing XFCE from EPEL right out of the box I would not be a happy camper.

If people like gnome3/shell thats great .....personally I dont like it but I find it really hard to swallow claiming that fallback mode is just as good as the old gnome2..............and for me I am not messing with all the extension mess just to have a desktop. (oh and neither will the enterprise).

[BBQdave]

Originally Posted by markie83

personally I have moved on to XFCE and the experience is close enough for me compared to gnome2/mate......mate has alot of problems with leaning on old gnome libraries etc and it needs a clean break from all of that etc

Fedora Spin of Xfce is good, a nice blend of Xfce 4.8 and Gnome.

I am curious if you have tried Maya MATE (Mint 13)? I think it is a smooth DE from Clem and crew
And oddly, I had a different experience with F16 Gnome (and Xfce), with a couple of the kernel updates I had desktop crashes and buggy behavior. It would eventually smooth out with updates. I am looking for a more stable distro, so giving Maya a try. Time will show Maya's stability, so far, smooth and responsive.