17 UI sucks

[hadrons123]

Originally Posted by Finalzone

By the time Gnome 3 will hit RHEL, there will plenty extensions available to to choose for clients. Gnome 3.4 can practically run on majority of videocards except probably obscure hardware.

For what I read, it appears Gnome 3 reaction is mixed bag. By the time Gnome Shell matures, majority of rants will vanish. There is nothing new to argue with plenty of desktop environment to choose.

+1

The gnome hate threads doesn't seem to die at least in fedoraforum.org.

[bob]

Perhaps that's due to the higher level of experience in the Forum and the feeling that anything that removes customization and the ability to get the job done (whatever that entails) shouldn't be tolerated.

Or, perhaps we're all just a batch of biatchy people....

[RupertPupkin]

Originally Posted by hadrons123

The gnome hate threads doesn't seem to die at least in fedoraforum.org.

On the one hand it means that people here are passionate about their desktops in Linux, which I suppose is good.

On the other hand it might mean that people here are unable to move on even though this horse has been beaten to death, run over, beaten to death again, run over backwards, put into a meat grinder and then churned out in the shape of beefy miracle hotdogs. Which I suppose is bad.

[joncr]

Originally Posted by FunkyRes

I don't mean to be insulting, but I just installed Fedora 17 and it appears that the UI is designed for a bunch of morons.

It lasted about 45 minutes before I wiped it and went back to CentOS.

Is there a reason for the UI being dumbed down to the point that it is actually more difficult to use? Is there a respin with Gnome 2.x instead?

Well, if you don't like Gnome 3, you can always try the KDE or XFCE version.

But, no there is no Gnome 2 version. Gnome 2 is dead.

I've spent time with Centos. It's great. But, I've decided Gnome 2 is not the pinnacle of interface design. The menu system is a dead end, and breaks when you put more than a handful of entries in it. (And it always looked amateurish, like something I wrote for DOS in Turbo Pascal a l-o-n-g time ago.)

No interface is intuitive. Can't be. People are wrong when they say Gnome 2 is intuitive. What they're really saying is that they have so much experience with it that it seems intuitive.

Give Gnome 3 more than 45 minutes. Lots of extensions at extensions.gnome.org. I've killed the Launcher and added a dock. Works fine. The only time I see all those icons in the Overview is when I need to run something unusual that isn't in my dock. I find using that no more or no less difficult that scrolling through Gnome 2's cascading menus.

[MarekS]

Originally Posted by Doug G

I will say the adoption of gnome3 as the "standard" desktop for Fedora has given me some real concerns about the future direction of Fedora in general, and leaves me wondering if Fedora is going to morph into some completely unusable (for me) mish-mash of inefficient software in the future.

+1

I tried G3, then used G3 Fallback for a while before turning to Xfce. Unfortunately, Fedora Xfce has various deficiences (parallel printer support, Canon camera support, USB stick handling). It feels like all the Fedora development is going into the Gnome 3 desktop - just to make it half-usable.

I would like to stick with Fedora, but am trying Mint Mate; its desktop is uninspiring but it works as it should. And now there's Mint Xfce...

[mmix]

distro maker is not gui developer, so there is limit.
compiler improvement make system faster, but GUI is different beast.

btw,for my old 2nd computer, i am using mageia 3 with xfce 4.10(manually compiled & installed).

--
PS: it is funny to see, microshaft, fedora, ubuntu they all do same kind of pattern/trend gui..

[DBelton]

Originally Posted by MarekS

+1

I tried G3, then used G3 Fallback for a while before turning to Xfce. Unfortunately, Fedora Xfce has various deficiences (parallel printer support, Canon camera support, USB stick handling). It feels like all the Fedora develpment is going into the Gnome 3 desktop - just to make it half-usable.

I would like to stick with Fedora, but am trying Mint Mate; its desktop is uninspiring but it works as it should. And now there's Mint Xfce...

Have you tried the 4.10 version of xfce?

You can install it from the "unofficial" repo (which is maintained by the same person that maintains xfce in the official repo)

http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/kevin/xfce-4.10/

[BBQdave]

Originally Posted by MarekS

Unfortunately, Fedora Xfce has various deficiences (parallel printer support, Canon camera support, USB stick handling). It feels like all the Fedora development is going into the Gnome 3 desktop - just to make it half-usable.

F16 Xfce (32-bit) on an old secondary machine and 64-bit on a new notebook, both working well with usb devices, an old nikon digital camera, a network printer, connecting to an old eMac that I am using as a file server.

I used Debian 6 (Gnome 2) for a good while and then switched up to F16. Gnome 3 was odd to use, but for me, mostly buggy and not consistent. As mentioned by others, stuff would tend to break. And instead of getting work done, I was messing around with fixes.

Now then you have F16 Xfce. It works. It's stable. I play around with configuring my DE to what I like, and it feels comfortable (instead of fixing it - Gnome 3).

I am curious how many have moved from Gnome 2 to KDE, Xfce, LXDE? An earlier post by Dragonbite indicates the possible growth of Xfce by sixfold. I hope this is true, as I would like to see Xfce have a solid supportive future with Fedora

[RupertPupkin]

Originally Posted by BBQdave

how many have moved from Gnome 2 to KDE, Xfce, LXDE?

Last count I saw was 38.

[Bazu135]

Originally Posted by Dan

*Sigh!*

At the risk of repeating myself .... It's not like we don't have other choices.

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/pictur...pictureid=1167

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/pictur...pictureid=1252

But it's therapeutic to complain!

(I should note I was one of the ones who opted for Xfce-therapy instead, mind )

[flyingfsck]

Yeah, well, it is not like there is a shortage of alternatives. Eventually, in a few years, Gnome will probably mature again, but until then, who cares? Just use something else. There is absolutely no need to lose any hair about it.

[joncr]

I've decided that the most annoying thing in Gnome 3 is needing to move the cursor to the left to get the workspaces to display on the right. I don't get that. I do get that triggering their appearance with a cursor at the right screen edge would mean a lot of "false" and unwanted displays. (But, then I never use more than one workspace, so it's a moot point for me.)

Other than that, I'm OK with it. I add several extensions, kill the launcher and add a dock to the left side. It's a minimal kind of thing at that point, which is fine with me. I never spend time tweaking themes and such in any case. I don't like desktop icons, either. I populate the dock with the few apps I use regularly and find that tapping the Windows key and a few characters is as good a way of launching infrequently used applications as trolling through Gnome 2/KDE/xfce menus.

(I've given up on menus as an appropriate design element. Don't have the answer, either. But, clicking through dozens of options isn't it.)

[Dan]

There is an extension available to add a hot corner to the upper right corner as well.

[DBelton]

Originally Posted by BBQdave

I am curious how many have moved from Gnome 2 to KDE, Xfce, LXDE? An earlier post by Dragonbite indicates the possible growth of Xfce by sixfold. I hope this is true, as I would like to see Xfce have a solid supportive future with Fedora

I had used Gnome ever since the 0.99 code freeze in Nov of 1998 and after a year of trying to get Gnome 3 to do even the basics that I needed, I switched to Xfce. Within 5 minutes I had it doing all I needed it to do.

[dragonbite]

Originally Posted by DBelton

I had used Gnome ever since the 0.99 code freeze in Nov of 1998 and after a year of trying to get Gnome 3 to do even the basics that I needed, I switched to Xfce. Within 5 minutes I had it doing all I needed it to do.

That's also comparing something "new" with something mature.

Think of it as trying to use a tablet and moving to an ultrabook and being able to do what you needed it to do.

Not that tablets are "new", but they are "newer" than laptops and related ultrabooks.