f16 to f17

[CharAznable]

I'm not sure what you mean... I just think you were somewhat disrespectful. Fedora forever!!!

[Dan]

*Sigh!*

Linux is such a wide wonderful world, folks ... brand loyalty just isn't a requirement. Although we readily admit that BSD users are kind of like your weird cousin whom is kept in a locked closet during daylight hours, and only allowed outside at night ... on a leash. <....>

[itachi]

Lawl. I like that one. But back to the issue at hand... Mah I don't want to reinstall all stuff. This sucks ba***.

[donaldm]

Originally Posted by snoze

Another bumpy ride from Fedora 16 to Fedora 17. Upgrading is a terrible experience, not working. Leran something from Ubuntu and make fedora a nice product.

Sorry I disagree.

Most people do appear to have issues with upgrading although for the hell of it it did do an upgrade on Fedora a few years ago without any issues but it did take a long time (about three times linger compared to a fresh install).

from personal experience I have found that the best upgrade from one major release to another such as going from RHEL 4 to 5 or 5 to 6 is to do a fresh install (the same apples to most Linux/Unix distributions as well). This way you avoid any issues with left over files and start with a clean slate. There is one major proviso and that is your system disk or mirror must be configured with fresh installs in mind.

I do have a spare machine I can practice on first (I also do this for customers) although I do use a virtual machine for generic testing purposes and for home I have a spare laptop . When doing a fresh install of Fedora 17 I initially screwed (suitably red faced) up first since i forgot to format my /boot file-system. Once I realised this I re-installed and had a fully operational Fedora 17 OS (including wireless and fusion extras) within 2 hours. This is why I prefer the DVD over the Live CD since I am not dependent on the network for the initial installation.

After a rest I proceeded to install Fedora 17 on my primary laptop (this I actually use for work as well). The overall time from an rsync of my personal data though the actual installation and configuration of over 2000 packages including installing rpmfusion packages, Google chrome and VLC 2 (nice I can actually watch 10bit codecs now) as well as integrating my users back into the system and an update took me about two and half hours and most of the time I was waiting for things to complete. I even watched a 25 video while I waited for the final update to complete.

It must be noted that I did not need to do a recovery on my personal data since I don't really need to reformat the logical volume it is on, hence a recovery of my data was not required. If I had to recover my data that whole upgrade process would have taken many hours more.

BTW I have installed Ubunto but that was a few years ago and I personally liked Fedora better (each to his own) since i had much more flexibility on my install. I absolutely hate relying on a network install although updates are fine since they are normally small.

The bottom line is I now have two perfectly working Fedora 17 laptops with only a few hours of really quite relaxing work.

[mikee]

I am being a coward and hanging a release behind.
I am trying to go from 15 to 16 right now....
Mayb e it will be less beta... lol

[donaldm]

Nothing wrong with being a release behind especially with Fedora since it is fairly cutting edge.

I actually use my primary laptop for work and it runs a pure Fedora distribution. I do however have a spare laptop that is over 4 years old which I actually use as a test bed so when a new release of Fedora (I only install the "stable" release not the RC's) comes out I always install it on that first.

While I have no real objection to to the LIVE_CD I find it is better (at least for me) to do my installation from the DVD (I put this on a USB key) so if anything goes wrong I can usually restart again as many times as I want without a massive impact on my network. Also I have found LIVE_CD's don't really give you allot of choices compared to the full release on DVD or USB. I don't like Gnome being foisted on me with the LIVE_CD since I prefer KDE or even xfce (easy from the DVD) and I personally don't like version 3 of Gnome however if others like it and I am quite sure there are many who do then I have no problems with that.

What can save a great deal of issues is to make sure that your system file-systems are separate from your data file-systems since you only need to format your system file-systems so getting these right can save an enormous amounts of time.

Even putting on just about everything from the DVD and allowing for extras you would only start to approach 8 GB. I usually allow 15 GB for "/" , 2GB or more for "/tmp", 2GB or more for "/var" and 256MB for your "/boot" partition. As for "/opt" and even "/usr/local" I leave them in "/" however a developer my need separate file-systems. picking the file-system size that allows for growth will save so much time in the future and with the exception of "/boot" I make my second partition an LVM group and create the appropriate sized volumes keeping in mind that you can shrink and grow volumes if the need arises.

[VeVeN]

I never upgrade. Always fresh installs. I copy the relevant configuration and user data to my NAS, then do a maiden installation, and put back the data. Works every time.

Anybody had prblems with fresh install of F17?

[Dan]

Define prblems. <....>

[Mariusz W]

Originally Posted by DBelton

I do believe the biggest issues with F16->F17 upgrade is that they decided to just put some bugs into the common bugs documentation instead of fixing them, and also, the /usr merge, which is documented and requires a few extra steps on the upgrade if updating via yum, but most people don't even know about them.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgra...-.3E_Fedora_17

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common...llation_issues

I agree.

Personally, I don't understand at all the rationale behind releasing Fedora 17 with the Kernel Bug present instead of fixing it first. The bug has been known since May 9 when Adam Williamson himself reported it. Even less helpful is the fact that the "help" offered on the Common F17 bugs page is a preliminary assessment of the problem not a precise set of instructions to be followed. This stupid oversight has already affected I guess practically everybody upgrading to F17, and will affect countless more.

The real danger is that many users who encounter this problem will be resorting to various chaotic "solutions" which in turn create problems often much more severe than the original one.

I'll probably write to Adam asking him to update Common F17 bugs by including at least precise instructions that need to be followed by those who upgrade to F17.

[deanej]

Originally Posted by snoze

Another bumpy ride from Fedora 16 to Fedora 17. Upgrading is a terrible experience, not working. Leran something from Ubuntu and make fedora a nice product.

Ubuntu is good at upgrading? The one time I tried to upgrade Ubuntu (9.10 to 10.04), I would up having to reformat my drive because my keyboard and mouse stopped working.

[Satcomman]

That's it, 4 days solid trying upgrades, clean installs, removing all other discs with other OSs etc. Back to F16. Some years ago it was fairly common for the odd numbered Fedora (Core) releases to be a big problem (I skipped 5 and 7), but I thought all of that was in the past - how wrong I was.

I think the problem is that there are preset deadlines for all releases. This forces the release of buggy software. Microsoft were famous for doing this. Why not miss one out and get the next one right and be part way into the following one?

[Mariusz W]

Originally Posted by Satcomman

That's it, 4 days solid trying upgrades, clean installs, removing all other discs with other OSs etc. Back to F16.

Did you search for help? A couple of days ago I posted clear simple instructions how to prevent/resolve two common issues with upgrading to Fedora 17:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=280534

I agree with you re. one thing: releasing Fedora 17 before the Kernel bug was fixed is hard to rationalize especially that the bug itself was already known on May 9 and I can think of at least a few obvious and very simple fixes (like adding to the preupgrade package a script that checks for presence in the system of the kernel with exactly the same version number as the kernel to be installed by anaconda, and if detected -- removes that kernel first; that alone would probably save 99% of users from any problem preupgrading to F17).

---------- Post added at 01:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:12 AM ----------

An update: I am told the Kernel bug was fixed and nobody preupgrading should be experiencing it from now on.