Fedora 12 Release Candidate 4

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

It was already linked from the wiki page

http://thepiratebay.org/user/andre14965/

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

It was already linked from the wiki page

http://thepiratebay.org/user/andre14965/

[Camberwell]

now that fedora-release has been updated to activate the fedora and updates repos, I presume we still keep the rpmfusion rawhide repos enabled??

[martin@localhost ~]$ yum repolist
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit
repo id                         repo name                                      status
fedora                          Fedora 12 - x86_64                             enabled: 19,122
flash                           flash                                          enabled:      1
rpmfusion-free-rawhide          RPM Fusion for Fedora Rawhide - Free           enabled:    470
rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide       RPM Fusion for Fedora Rawhide - Nonfree        enabled:    156
updates                         Fedora 12 - x86_64 - Updates                   enabled: 19,122
repolist: 38,871

is this correct??

[AdamW]

sonoran: how exactly were you trying to install?

[RahulSundaram]

Camberwell,

correct. rpmfusion-release would be updated to change over the repos soon I hope

[hedayat]

Originally Posted by RahulSundaram

Hi,

It was already linked from the wiki page

http://thepiratebay.org/user/andre14965/

So it seems that there is no delta-iso upgrade path from Fedora 12 Beta to RC3, right? It seems that it is possible to go from TC1 to RC3, but not from Beta. As the beta version is officially available through fedoraproject.org, I think it does make sense to provide delta isos for it.

[AdamW]

the betas are an unofficial volunteer effort by Andre Robatino, he builds what he thinks it's sensible to build

Note a wrinkle he just posted about to the mailing list:

"WARNING: I just discovered that using these currently works only on Fedora 11 and below, not on Fedora 12/Rawhide, where applydeltaiso will fail with an "md5sum mismatch, iso is corrupt" error. Sorry for not catching this earlier. This is due to the presence of xz-compressed noarch RPMs built on PPC hosts before the xz endianness bug was fixed (around October 7). I hope it's not too long before all of these get rebuilt."

So you'll have to do the applydeltaiso on F11, if you have it available.

[CiaW]

Originally Posted by sonoran

Apparently the netinst bug bit the cd version as well. After boot loader configuration my Fedora-12-x86_64-netinst.iso cd install failed with


Retry fails. This was RC1 cd from Rahul's link http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/12-RC.1/

Update: same problem with RC3 netinst cd

I had the same problem last night (RC1 net install.iso), I ended up re-installing the F12 livecd beta and after hours of downloading updates (because I had it format the partition to make sure I didn't have any old F11 stuff hanging around); it's working again.

Did you post anything at the install matrix or whatever they call it? I don't see why they have it write changes to the disk BEFORE it gives you an error that it can't find group info from repositories and then your only option is to exit installer.

I may try the final on a different partition (I have about 40gb free not allocated to any OS) -- but this sounds like a replay of the repomd.xml issue in F11. ??

[hedayat]

Originally Posted by AdamW

the betas are an unofficial volunteer effort by Andre Robatino, he builds what he thinks it's sensible to build

Note a wrinkle he just posted about to the mailing list:
[...]
So you'll have to do the applydeltaiso on F11, if you have it available.

I do have F11, but no TC or RC rather than F12 Beta x86_64. OK, apparently I should wait for F12 final release. Then using Jigdo provides should provide the best bandwidth efficient option available for me (or maybe I could find some way using drpms).

[sonoran]

Originally Posted by AdamW

sonoran: how exactly were you trying to install?

I booted the Fedora-12-x86_64-netinst.iso cd, both RC1 and RC3, and immediately after the bootloader configuration got that error message.

The install leaves a mostly empty filesystem on the disk, except for a 0 byte yum.log in /tmp, and 3 files in /var/lib/rpm called Name, Packages, and Providename.

[sonoran]

Originally Posted by CiaW

Did you post anything at the install matrix or whatever they call it? I don't see why they have it write changes to the disk BEFORE it gives you an error that it can't find group info from repositories and then your only option is to exit installer.

I may try the final on a different partition (I have about 40gb free not allocated to any OS) -- but this sounds like a replay of the repomd.xml issue in F11. ??

I couldn't make any sense of that test matrix, and didn't find any bugs resembling this problem. I do recall your warning about the f11 netinst.iso - history seems to be repeating itself.

[CiaW]

Sonoran,
One thing you might want to try is using text install. From this bug report (in F11 and continuing in F12), someone had the same problem but said using the text install it worked. See comment # 5 and 6

[Camberwell]

Thankyou Rahul

[robatino]

Originally Posted by hedayat

So it seems that there is no delta-iso upgrade path from Fedora 12 Beta to RC3, right? It seems that it is possible to go from TC1 to RC3, but not from Beta. As the beta version is officially available through fedoraproject.org, I think it does make sense to provide delta isos for it.

Building deltaisos is a real mess right now, due to the aftereffects of a F12 Rawhide bug that was only fixed around October 7. It's a long story, but basically, almost all F12 noarch RPMs built before this date were built in such a way that the presence of even a single such RPM in the output ISO prevents deltaisos from working properly. Any time one of these RPMs is rebuilt, the problem automatically gets fixed for that RPM. And each of them DOES get rebuilt eventually, for whatever reason. But until this happens for every such RPM in the ISO, deltaisos won't build properly. The only way I can generate them so they work at all is by running makedeltaiso on F11 or below, then the user has to run applydeltaiso on F11 or below. Not only that, but they end up being much bigger than they ought to be. I did build deltaisos from F12 Beta to TC1 for i386, ppc, and x86_64. Each was about 45% of full ISO size. Normally, it ought to be possible to go all the way from Fedora N Final to (N+1) Final with the same size (about half) - see the deltaisos from F9 to F10, for example. Since my bandwidth is limited (3 Mb/s down/768 Kb/s up), I decided not to seed the Beta->TC1 disos.

Eventually, hopefully in less than a year, all this should get sorted out, and it will be possible to build a deltaiso between two recent Fedora ISOs on a Fedora box, then apply it on another Fedora box, without having to worry about the OS version or arch on either box, and they will be as small as they were originally (meaning about half of full size for N->(N+1), and a small fraction of that between devel versions).

After F12 is released, I'll be checking periodically how many of these broken RPMs are left, but don't plan on releasing any more deltaisos until they are all gone (meaning at least a few months).

[robatino]

Originally Posted by hedayat

I do have F11, but no TC or RC rather than F12 Beta x86_64. OK, apparently I should wait for F12 final release. Then using Jigdo provides should provide the best bandwidth efficient option available for me (or maybe I could find some way using drpms).

The disos really should be available by direct download, since they're most useful to the very people who can't be expected to upload much (limited bandwidth, or caps/metering), so using torrents sucks. If anyone knows of a file hosting service that both allows large files (say up to 3 GB), and allows resuming of both uploads and downloads (making it usable for people with slow connections), please let me know. If I can find one, I'd be willing to upload the Beta->TC1 disos to it.