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Old 17th March 2012, 12:51 AM
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The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

1. No Cinnamon

2. No Mate

3. No frippery

Guess I'm stuck with gnomes-hell for now.

Everything else rocks. The pure alpha was a lot more stable than F16's was. The recent updates and a non-debug kernel makes it even more usable.

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Old 17th March 2012, 01:05 AM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

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Originally Posted by dd_wizard View Post
1. No Cinnamon

2. No Mate

3. No frippery

Guess I'm stuck with gnomes-hell for now.

Everything else rocks. The pure alpha was a lot more stable than F16's was. The recent updates and a non-debug kernel makes it even more usable.

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Dualboot F16 an F17 that will fix that problem
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Old 17th March 2012, 01:26 AM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

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Originally Posted by dd_wizard View Post
1. No Cinnamon

2. No Mate

3. No frippery

Guess I'm stuck with gnomes-hell for now.

Everything else rocks. The pure alpha was a lot more stable than F16's was. The recent updates and a non-debug kernel makes it even more usable.

dd_wizard
Agree 100%!

In fact the F17 alpha works 100% better and is getting better with every update then the released version of F16 in my opinion!

F16 was nothing but bugs one right after the other on my laptop. Nothing worked as it was intended for some reason. Perhaps it had a lot to do with switching to system.d that caused all the problems!

As far as Gnome hell couldn't tell you as I run KDE and it rocks with all the new features. It is so feature rich that I could convince many people into switching to Linux with KDE from windows with out a problem after leaving them play a little on a display laptop.

As that one wallpaper says, who needs gates and windows in a world with no fences and doors!
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Old 17th March 2012, 02:04 AM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

Cinnamon is under review - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771252 - but it's apparently hung up at the moment due to having not been updated to build/work against the latest GTK+ 3.
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Old 17th March 2012, 04:08 AM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

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Originally Posted by dd_wizard View Post
1. No Cinnamon

2. No Mate

3. No frippery

Guess I'm stuck with gnomes-hell for now.

Everything else rocks. The pure alpha was a lot more stable than F16's was. The recent updates and a non-debug kernel makes it even more usable.

dd_wizard
Try KDE or XFCE. And I agree with you - F17 seems to be quite nice as of now ...
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Old 17th March 2012, 04:26 AM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

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Try KDE or XFCE. And I agree with you - F17 seems to be quite nice as of now ...
i can tell your being sarcastic

i'll believe it when i see it, assuming they make it work on my system
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Old 17th March 2012, 09:07 AM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

Funny how people have totally different experiences with their OS. I though that once the dust settled Fedora 16 was rock solid. Fedora 17 is working pretty well here too save for Gnome Shell crashing once in a while and SeLinux bothering the heck out of me.
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Old 17th March 2012, 02:21 PM
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Fedora 16 was rock solid. Fedora 17 is working pretty well here too save for Gnome Shell crashing
Ditto (except that I don't use GNOME - I moved to LXDE when Fedora 15 emerged with GNOME Hell).
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Old 17th March 2012, 02:33 PM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

Well, I seem to be having the exact opposite results from F17

The alpha started out ok, except for Gnome shell crashing if my wacom tablet is plugged in whne I try to start GDM or Gnome shell. and things have gotten progressively worse ever since

Each kernel update has made things worse, and now my screen goes back to 1024x768 in Gnome shell if it locks the screen, and the monitor gets turned off. When the screen unlocks, it goes to 1024x768, and just opening up the display settings in the system settings panel set it back right.

And yes, I have thought about filing a bug with Gnome on the display bug, but I know it won't do a bit of good. I have several bugs filed on Gnome that have gone without even a single response from the package maintainers, or developers (some from nearly a year ago and some from F17 nearly a month old now)

That is one of my biggest complaints. It seems like during pre-release when they should be looking at iron out bugs, that is when they should be looking at fixing bugs filed instead of ignoring them.

Heck, they can't even get gnome-system-log to install due to gnome-utils being obsoleted (and yes bug was filed weeks ago)


So, my experience has been that F17 isn't even to the alpha stage yet...

Edit:

Things just get worse..

I just tried once again to install gnome-system-log. It appears that now a log file viewer is being obsoleted by a disk usage analyser! I think someone have completely lost it and should be committed to the mental ward immediately in the name of public safety!

Code:
Setting up Install Process
Package gnome-system-log is obsoleted by baobab, trying to install baobab-3.3.3-2.fc17.x86_64 instead
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package baobab.x86_64 0:3.3.3-2.fc17 will be installed
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
And from the Gnome site:

Quote:
Disk Usage Analyzer (aka Baobab)

Disk Usage Analyzer is a graphical, menu-driven viewer that you can use to view and monitor your disk usage and folder structure. It is a component module of gnome-utils package.
Code:
Available Packages
Name        : baobab
Arch        : x86_64
Version     : 3.3.3
Release     : 2.fc17
Size        : 352 k
Repo        : updates-testing
Summary     : A graphical directory tree analyzer
URL         : https://live.gnome.org/GnomeUtils/Baobab
License     : GPLv2+ and GFDL
Description : Baobab is able to scan either specific directories or the whole
            : filesystem, in order to give the user a graphical tree
            : representation including each directory size or percentage in the
            : branch.  It also auto-detects in real-time any change made to your
            : home folder as far as any mounted/unmounted device.

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Old 17th March 2012, 03:48 PM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

There are several problems with F16.

1. Gnome3 crashes when some games are played
2. Nautilus doesn't always remember where icons are supposed to be
3. LXDE doesn't always start, but Nautilus does...

The last updates I applied yesterday did improve things (haven't tried the game run against Gnome3 yet) but this morning LXDE didn't start properly.

As far as the three things on F17...

1) systemd.
2) systemd.
3) gnome3

Oh, and printing on an HP Office Jet G55 still doesn't work, though the printer does need a new cartridge... but the scanner should work and doesn't (device busy). I can't tell if that is related to needing a new cartridge though.

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Old 17th March 2012, 05:03 PM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

Whether you love or hate a particular rev depends a lot on which side of the porcupine you are grabbing, tempered by the fact that we selectively forget about past wrongs rather quickly.

F17 is "mostly harmless" tho' clearly alpha. F16 seems pretty stable with a conventional number of remaining glitches. F15 - seemed pretty bug infested to me - I don't understand why so many forum members still use it.

I agree with DB that there seem to be some odd dependencies cropping up. I wanted to try removing plymouth recently for a test and it wants to remove dracut !
I also have had poor responses to some fedora bugzilla's. It seems to help to add as much debug/in-depth/proposed-solution stuff as possible (I'm sure DB' did). The responsiveness may depend on package maintainers.


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There are several problems with F16.

1) systemd.anything new
2) systemd.anything new
3) gnome3 anything new
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Old 17th March 2012, 08:01 PM
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Whether you love or hate a particular rev depends a lot on which side of the porcupine you are grabbing
Agree with that. For example, of the three F16 problems jpollard is having:

1) I don't use GNOME (having abandoned it in favour of LXDE where F15 brought in GNOME3)
2) I don't use Nautilus as I don't use GMOME (yes, Nautilus will work with LXDE, but PCManFM is fine for my purposes).
3. LXDE has never failed to start for me, on any of Fedora 15, 16 or 17, or Debian Squeeze.
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Old 17th March 2012, 05:12 PM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

No. systemd still doesn't work properly. Test it in a server environment... screws up royally. Things that are documented to run last, don't. Errors message are still lost. Configuration debugging is difficult to impossible.
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Old 17th March 2012, 09:10 PM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

I'm not blaming LXDE for the failures yet - I acutally think it may be the way the session is being started by gdm (yes, still using it). When it fails, it seems that nautilus takes over as the only window manangement capability... Not sure why it looses the icon locations though. I'm not even sure why nautilus even starts yet - I certainly didn't expect it.

My wife uses Cinnamon - she tried gnome shell... and dropped it within 30 minutes and went with cinnamon.

Fortunately, this is only a home system. F15/16/17 would be nearly unusable at work for even workstations (too many custom services that would fail due to difficulty fighting systemd to get them running).
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Old 17th March 2012, 11:00 PM
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Re: The Three Things I Hate Most About F17...

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1. No Cinnamon

2. No Mate

3. No frippery

Guess I'm stuck with gnomes-hell for now.

Everything else rocks. The pure alpha was a lot more stable than F16's was. The recent updates and a non-debug kernel makes it even more usable.

dd_wizard
The F17 srpm from the repo compiles and works fine here.

Code:
[leepaul@main-pc ~]$ rpm -q cinnamon muffin gtk3 cogl |sort
cinnamon-1.4.0-1.fc17.x86_64
cogl-1.9.8-1.fc17.x86_64
gtk3-3.3.18-1.fc17.x86_64
muffin-1.0.2-1.fc17.x86_64
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/...dora-17/SRPMS/

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