Why did they mess up disk utility?

***DBelton*** · #1 28th January 2012, 05:06 AM

I am wondering why they messed up the disk utility in F17.

Now it takes several clicks and a little ESP to find the menu then click on it to show SMART data, then another click to actually display the SMART data, where the one in F16 was one click, and BAM the SMART data was showing on the screen.

Also, they took out several features, like the drive benchmark.

IHow hard would it be to go back to the F16 version of disk utility in F17 instead of the stripped down and harder to use version included?

Apostate · #2 28th January 2012, 08:21 AM

Gnome seem intent on making it harder to do the more complex tasks through a gui.

***DBelton*** · #3 28th January 2012, 08:29 AM

Yep, it sure appears tat way.

I was trying the 2012/01/27 nightly and from what I saw, I sure won't be updating to F17 using Gnome. I may go with some other desktop environment, but definitely won't be using Gnome.

I may just go back to F14 and stay there until the Gnomes get their heads out of their butts. F17 Gnome is much worse than F16 Gnome (and I thought it couldn't get any worse)

#4 28th January 2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DBelton

Yep, it sure appears tat way.

I was trying the 2012/01/27 nightly and from what I saw, I sure won't be updating to F17 using Gnome. I may go with some other desktop environment, but definitely won't be using Gnome.

I may just go back to F14 and stay there until the Gnomes get their heads out of their butts. F17 Gnome is much worse than F16 Gnome (and I thought it couldn't get any worse)

bettter idea is to use KDE or some small WM . Gnome3 is going down the tubes. or try Cinnamon. i see people are trying to get Unity into fedora but some dont realise leigh has orphaned compiz. so someone else will have to pick it up.

or try Fuduntu

***Dan*** · #5 28th January 2012, 03:17 PM

I'm giving more serious thought to giving up my overpowering lazy streak and learning how to compile Enlightenment/e16 on demand and just using them.

I don't own a smart phone, and the second half of that is I'm not likely to, so much of that current focus is lost on me. And at this point, Gnome-2, Enlightenment (e17/e16), or Compiz-fusion on something like SL-6 would serve my purposes long term.

Right now F16/e16~17 is holding up on the Fukushima Special, the Traveler and this HDD in the desktop, but with each useful flexibility/feature they remove from Gnome-3 in place of a twisted iphone®/Microsoft Windows 8®/Mac®-like user experience, the farther away from my little frequented corner of the linux market they get. There's still a pronounced tendency among the Gnome-Gnuts to try to remove existing user choices, so who knows how long that will last. In fact, they've given me reason to re-consider some options that I had long ago removed from the table.

I'm still entertaining an idle curiosity about what RHEL is going to do with Gnome 3/Gnome-shell and/or Gnome-3/Cinnamon.

Whereas I really don't really know a dang thing about it, and am just tossing unfounded speculative guesses into the middle of the floor, I just don't think some of the bigger RHEL customers are going to get the warm fuzzies over a DE extensively built on javascript. The bottom line is, I don't care how much lipstick and how many pearls you hang on it, Gnome-3/Gnome-shell is still as slow as a lazy blue-tick hound, heavily resource intensive, and a bit prone to breakage.

Cinnamon and/or extensions cure some of that, but I tend to think we're still trying to build us a church on a fancied-up outhouse of a foundation.

leigh123linux · #6 28th January 2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

I'm giving more serious thought to giving up my overpowering lazy streak and learning how to compile Enlightenment/e16 on demand and just using them.

I don't own a smart phone, and the second half of that is I'm not likely to, so much of that current focus is lost on me. And at this point, Gnome-2, Enlightenment (e17/e16), or Compiz-fusion on something like SL-6 would serve my purposes long term.

Right now F16/e16~17 is holding up on the Fukushima Special, the Traveler and this HDD in the desktop, but with each useful flexibility/feature they remove from Gnome-3 in place of a twisted iphone®/Microsoft Windows 8®/Mac®-like user experience, the farther away from my little frequented corner of the linux market they get. There's still a pronounced tendency among the Gnome-Gnuts to try to remove existing user choices, so who knows how long that will last. In fact, they've given me reason to re-consider some options that I had long ago removed from the table.

I'm still entertaining an idle curiosity about what RHEL is going to do with Gnome 3/Gnome-shell and/or Gnome-3/Cinnamon.

Whereas I really don't really know a dang thing about it, and am just tossing unfounded speculative guesses into the middle of the floor, I just don't think some of the bigger RHEL customers are going to get the warm fuzzies over a DE extensively built on javascript. The bottom line is, I don't care how much lipstick and how many pearls you hang on it, Gnome-3/Gnome-shell is still as slow as a lazy blue-tick hound, heavily resource intensive, and a bit prone to breakage.

Cinnamon and/or extensions cure some of that, but I tend to think we're still trying to build us a church on a fancied-up outhouse of a foundation.

I agree.

Have you tried

http://forums.mate-desktop.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31

nonamedotc · #7 28th January 2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh123linux

I agree.

Have you tried

http://forums.mate-desktop.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31

I will be installing it today. Want to check this out soon. Has anyone tried it yet?

leigh123linux · #8 28th January 2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nonamedotc

I will be installing it today. Want to check this out soon. Has anyone tried it yet?

I've briefly tested it and it runs great.

Wayne · #9 28th January 2012, 03:40 PM

One wonders if they're deliberately forcing users away from Gnome (or even Linux) to other DE's or even <gasp> that other unmentionable OS... So far I'm happy with KDE (4.8) but wish I had the time to learn how to customise E17 to my liking. Unfortunately, trying to make a living in these hard times since last March takes up more of my time and learning new ways of doing what I can do already has been put on hold.

davegiven · #10 28th January 2012, 03:46 PM

One wonders if the handful of people that repeatedly complain about GNOME 3 on these forums will ever have anything useful to say.

leigh123linux · #11 28th January 2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by davegiven

One wonders if the handful of people that repeatedly complain about GNOME 3 on these forums will ever have anything useful to say.

One wonders why someone would join a forum to complain about others complaining.

***DBelton*** · #12 28th January 2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by davegiven

One wonders if the handful of people that repeatedly complain about GNOME 3 on these forums will ever have anything useful to say.

I guess pointing out that Gnome developers have repeatedly been removing useful parts of the desktop and replacing them with playskool icons isn't useful.

Apostate · #13 28th January 2012, 04:18 PM

I'm starting to quite like the way gnome-shell is set out. What I hate is that in every desktop I've ever used - XFCE, KDE. Gnome 2 even Windows 98 - when I right-clicked something it gave me options to configure. With gnome-shell you're lucky if you get anything at all. It seems like the ultimate dumbed-down desktop experience for someone who just wants to twitter, email and listen to MP3s. And if a gnome shill pops up now and insists that the shell is not designed for the needs of the facebook/netbook generation I'm sorry I don't believe you.

***Dan*** · #14 28th January 2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by davegiven

One wonders if the handful of people that repeatedly complain about GNOME 3 on these forums will ever have anything useful to say.

That's an interesting point of view. But it's built on a false premise.

Let me try this on on you. If you can't locate and discuss the shortcomings of any particular project, you really don't stand much of a chance of making it any better, or advancing the end product as a whole.

Unless you're a particularly psychic/gifted sort of a rat, any trip through the maze of success is going to locate several dead-ends whilst searching for the path to nirvana. The factor which eventually defines success, then, is the ability to know when it's time to back up a bit and take a different turn. It also helps to heed the advice of Einstein and not repeat the last mistakes over and over.

That being said, the same principle applies to both sides in this false conflict.

I'll let you figure out why it's a false dichotomy all by yourself.

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davegiven · #15 28th January 2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

Let me try this on on you. If you can't locate and discuss the shortcomings of any particular project, you really don't stand much of a chance of making it any better, or advancing the end product as a whole.

Well perhaps our opinions differ on what counts as constructive criticism

I would guess that the number of complaints in this forum vastly outnumbers the bug reports filed. And the vast majority of the forum posts come from a small group of people, most of whom are conveniently already involved in this thread