F15 Shutdown Auto Restarts

JonBL · #1 20th July 2011, 03:04 AM

I've just installed F15 graphical desktop on a brand new 64-bit box. When I use the Alt key in the User menu to display the shutdown options and click the "Power Off" option, the box shuts down, but then immediately restarts.

Is that supposed to happen? How do I get the box to not restart after powering down?

Kernel is 2.6.38.6-26.rc1.fc15.x86_64. The box also auto-restarts after root command shutdown -h now

TIA
Jon

JonBL · #2 27th July 2011, 12:15 PM

One week later, and I'm still having problems with this. Occasionally, the box will stay down after shut down, but usually, it auto-restarts as soon as the fan stops. This never happened with my F10 boxes.

There are a number of posts on the Linux forums about this issue, but no solutions presented. Are other users having this problem?

Jean Pierre · #3 27th July 2011, 03:19 PM

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Occasionally, the box will stay down after shut down, but usually, it auto-restarts as soon as the fan stops.

For me, it occasionally auto-restarts with F15. It never happened with previous releases (Dell E521).

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There are a number of posts on the Linux forums about this issue. Are other users having this problem?

If there are posts (where ?), there must be users (other than you and me) having the problem...

stoat · #4 27th July 2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean Pierre

...there must be users (other than you and me) having the problem...

Okay, okay. For me, Fedora 15 reboots about half the time when I choose to shut it down.

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Originally Posted by Jean Pierre

If there are posts (where ?)

Here is one.

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=266387

It starts out about hangs at shutdown, but it eventually get into the reboots, too. The title has that [SOLVED] thing in it, but I don't really know about that. Someone said a kernel update fixed it. My kernel is up-to-date. The guy that started the thread said removing gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu fixed his. Later he retracted that claim after hangs at shutdown continued. But I use XFCE and don't even have Gnome installed, much less an extension. Another guy thinks pulseaudio is creating poweroff symlinks to reboot. But I don't have pulseaudio installed either. I do see those same symlinks he mentioned though. But for me, this issue is intermittent and, so far, unpredictable. Whatever. This matter is just one of a bunch of lingering Fedora 15 annoyances for me. I have it installed, but I have no intention of using it for anything important for now. I intend to fly Fedora 14 into the ground and deal with this mess later.

fedoralinx · #5 27th July 2011, 06:09 PM

Yea I have that problem too. Could it be because of an SSD?

Jean Pierre · #6 27th July 2011, 06:29 PM

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Later he retracted that claim after hangs at shutdown continued. [...]. Another guy thinks pulseaudio is creating poweroff symlinks to reboot.

On my computer, I can hear the "click" for power being switched off, which I do not hear for a normal reboot. Hence I think this is a full poweroff with no hangs or hijacks to reboot. In my situation some environment is still powered on : network, printer and USB hub.

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Yea I have that problem too. Could it be because of an SSD?

Nope, I haven't any.
This only happens on my desktop, it never happened with my laptop (same software configuration, except for the Wifi, and no peripherals).

JonBL · #7 28th July 2011, 08:50 AM

Thanks, everyone. You seem to be confirming my growing suspicion that this is a F15 problem - not a hardware or BIOS problem.

I'll try a F14 install on my box tomorrow, and post the outcome.

Jon

JonBL · #8 29th July 2011, 01:37 AM

I've just finished installing F14 on my new box, and the auto-restart after shutdown issue has gone away. So it's not a hardware/motherboard/BIOS issue - it's a F15 issue.

Disappointing. If F15 shutdown does not reliably work, what else might be wrong with F15? Given what I use my machine for, I'm not prepared to risk it. I'll be staying with F14 for the time being.

stoat · #9 29th July 2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JonBL

I've just finished installing F14 on my new box, and the auto-restart after shutdown issue has gone away. So it's not a hardware/motherboard/BIOS issue - it's a F15 issue.

That has been my belief all along. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect systemd is at the bottom of this matter. systemd was introduced in April of 2010 and became the default in Fedora a mere one year later with this Fedora 15 release. The point being that maybe it was made the default startup daemon kinda too soon. GRUB 2, by contrast and for an example of another major system component, has been around for years and has been the default in Ubuntu and some others for a while now, but Fedora still installs Legacy GRUB. I'm not complaining about Fedora's GRUB. I happen to prefer Legacy GRUB. I just wonder what the comparative rush with this systemd thing is all about. IMO and until I have some reason to think otherwise, Fedora 14 is the best, and for now the last, in a line of great Fedora versions.

JonBL · #10 29th July 2011, 03:04 AM

Thanks, stoat. I overwrote my earlier installation of F15 with F14 today, and I don't have another box with enough resources to try another F15 install to check your suggestion. If you are able to follow up, I'd be very interested to hear the outcome.

Is the Fedora development team aware of this issue? Is there anything I can do that may assist in resolving this matter?

TIA,
Jon

***Gareth Jones*** · #11 29th July 2011, 06:06 PM

Perhaps try an F15 kernel on F14 and see if the problem returns?

Gareth

ChrisHack · #12 23rd August 2011, 06:18 AM

Having the same problem with this lately, and traced it back to a recently installed wireless network card. I remove the card, and the problem disappears, put it back in and it comes right back.

This leads me to believe this is some sort of wake-on-lan issue. However, my BIOS (MSI MS-7135 motherboard) does not appear to have a setting for this. It's supposed to be possible to change this behavior with:

ethtool -s wlan0 wol d

However, when I tried that I got the following:

"Cannot get current wake-on-lan settings: Operation not supported
not setting wol"

This leads me to suspect that (at least in my case) this problem is maybe being caused by some sort of bug in the ath9k driver (which is what my wireless network card uses)? Does anyone know if there is any other way to disable wake-on-lan? I'm almost certain that would fix the problem for me.

Jean Pierre · #13 25th August 2011, 07:38 AM

I first had the problem with kernels 2.6.38 (F15), so I downgraded to 2.6.35 (F14) and the problem disappeared. Yesterday I upgraded to 2.6.40 (F15) and it appeared again. This is definitely a kernel issue. I also suspect wake-on-lan, and I will try disabling it. I do not have wireless on the computer which restarts, its network card is :
Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)

sea · #14 25th August 2011, 08:09 AM

Occasionly, it jumps out of suspend/hibernate while closing the lid.
I have neither Gnome, nor shell extensions installed.
If i had to say a number, i feel like it happens 1 out of 10 times.

Running LXDE, kernel 2.6.40, with a common (s)ata harddisc.
Wlan is usualy disabled, as i use wired.

ChrisHack · #15 25th August 2011, 08:17 PM

JeanPierre, you and I are apparently having different problems. I tried Fedora 14 this morning and got exactly the same behavior. The most bizarre thing about this is that I tried disabling wireless through NetworkManager and even unloading the ath9k kernel module before shutting down, so that the wireless card was actually powered off (or at least its LED was turned off) before shutting down. Still got the same behavior. For me, the only fix at this point seems to be physically removing the wireless card from the PCIe slot. I'm beginning to think my problem is motherboard / BIOS related, not a kernel issue.

Don't know if this is relevant to anyone else, but I got the same error when I tried to disable wake-on-lan through ethtool in Fedora 14. It seems to think ath9k does not support WOL, but from what I have read that is not correct.