Introducing Fuduntu!The stable, easy to use Linux distribution for your PC. Based on

[fewt]

The stable, easy to use Linux distribution for your PC.

Fuduntu is a Fedora Remix which brings with it a wonderful GUI, and many improvements to make your portable workstation fast and efficient while enjoying battery life that I consider to be best in class.

Fuduntu looks fantastic! Through a combination of open source technology and usability excellence, Fuduntu 14.7 shines.



An example of a few of the tweaks from Fuduntu:

• Linux Kernel 2.6.37
• CGroups shell tweak
• Deadline IO scheduler
• /tmp and /var/log moved to RAM disk
• Swappiness reduced to 10
• Jupiter for power savings
• Gnome default desktop tweaks
• Misc power and performance tweaks

• Adobe Flash
• Fluendo MP3 Codec
• Likewise Open
• Infinality Freetype
• Nautilus Elementary
• OpenOffice
• Thunderbird
• GIMP
• Jupiter
• VIM Enhanced

Fuduntu integrates Nautilus Elementary, and is licensed to redistribute Adobe Flash, and Fluendo MP3 technologies which have been integrated into the distribution!









Download Fuduntu today - http://www.fuduntu.org/

[bob]

It would have been best to check with us prior to posting this. I've reviewed and approved the post and wish you well with your new distro. (Not too keen on the name, but that's your choice )

[fewt]

Originally Posted by bob

It would have been best to check with us prior to posting this. I've reviewed and approved the post and wish you well with your new distro. (Not too keen on the name, but that's your choice )

My appologies, I did not realize that it needed approval. Thank you for allowing it to post. FYI, I edited it and it's disappeared. Please review and re-approve.

Thank you!

[leigh123linux]

Originally Posted by fuduntu

My appologies, I did not realize that it needed approval. Thank you for allowing it to post. FYI, I edited it and it's disappeared. Please review and re-approve.

Thank you!

Done

[andrewthomas]

Originally Posted by bob

(Not too keen on the name, but that's your choice )

+1 This name is quite confusing, implying derivation from Ubuntu, not Fedora.

[jpollard]

Not to mention the Fear Uncertainty and Doubt that it also sounds like
in the first syllable.

[pythagorean]

comical. Its like if you were in a marketing seminar studying how NOT to launch an operating system.

Its too bad that the netbook is soon to be a thing of the past since most people are going to have cell phones with more functionality and portability than any small laptop... Its a dying product category.

Maybe if Fuduntu were to develop a Fedora remix for tablet devices like the iPad it would have a chance.

[Hlingler]

Feduntu? Fedoruntu? Fubuntu?


V

P.S. @ user=fuduntu: Thanks for your contribution. Please accept this gentle chiding as urgent suggestions to reconsider the name of your spin.

[Dan]

Ayup. It's all about the marketing. Which is why real estate developers hang names like, "Tranquility Lane" in the "Shady Oaks" subdivision on a sixteen foot wide mud-bog cut through the gelled surface of a slightly radioactive former landfill -- on which they've plopped madly overpriced duplexes tacked together out of reject-grade shredded-wheat OSB and two inch long aluminium staples.

[smr54]

I've always thought Udora is more euphonious. (I've used both terms, or similar, to describe desktop oriented distributions.)

I have my doubts about the netbook becoming a thing of the past. A few reasons--dinosaurs like myself don't trust cell phone companies--too much of "Because we can," type charges. There was an interesting article I came across recently, about how one would use up their Verizon limit on Verizon's super duper fast network within a week.

Also, we touch typists. Screen size, People who still don't like facebook. And so on.

I think it will be awhile before we're all replaced by the generation of smart phone users.

[fewt]

LOL @ criticism of the name.

I don't see any reason to change the name just because a couple of people dislike it. There are distributions with better names for you to use if you don't like Fuduntu.

There are a lot of reasons to consider Fuduntu if you look past the name.

Here is information about the latest release:

http://www.fewt.com/2010/12/fuduntu-...rendering.html

Merry (belated) Christmas everyone!

[Draciron]

Interesting idea, flash and other propitiatory formats have become increasingly more difficult to use on Fedora over the last few years. I never did get Flash working in F12 except in Chrome. FF and Konquerer both barfed huge hairballs every time I tried to view a complex flash page. Simple flash pages worked quite fine. Never had that problem with earlier Fedora distros or any other distro for that matter. Each version of Fedora seems that much less friendly to such formats. One of my many gripes.

Which brings me to a few questions.

My biggest gripes about Fedora are.

What are the support lengths on your versions?
No Long term support. I ran FC7 for YEARS on a couple machines. I was still using FC5 on one machine until around 07 or 08. I liked that !!!! I heavily customize my machines and moving to a new distro for me is more work than pit would take me to move to a new home. I mean literally it takes fewer hours to get a machine just the way I like it than it does to pack up all my belongings and load the large truck that it takes to hold them and unpack them. I spend hundreds of man hours installing and configuring software and little of it can be reused after I move up to a new version. I want at least 5 years out of an install unless there is a truly compelling feature I absolutely need. Enhanced support for USB was the last time that happened.

Customization features?
The no root GUI login is an extreme pain. Apparently there's a work around for it that makes Ubuntu's work around seem simple. Still there is a need to run GUI apps as root occasionally. Especially for people like me who despise VI. That's just one of many changes to Fedora over the last few years that make it far more difficult to use rather than easy. My biggest gripe is actually customization. Fedora has become increasingly more difficult to customize. Even simple stuff like getting rid of that Windows imitation log in screen and getting a good Linux startup screen which actually helps you see when a service fails to start or other problems is inordinately difficult to do in Fedora. Most distros it's a simple mouse click or keystroke. The reliability of Yum extender and Kyum is another problem. While they are not Fedora apps, the reliance of Fedora on an imitation Microsoft install package which is as bare on features as Microsoft's useless add/remove apps is a great example of how Fedora has been left behind in the dust. The default GUI Yum and or Apt-Get on most distros are at least usable. The only thing I would touch with the default Fedora add/remove app was to install a real one like Yum extender or Kyum or Gnome-Yum. With Yum extender and Gnome yum apparently no longer maintained and buggy that doesn't leave a whole lot of choice does it?

JACK and other musician essential support?
Choice of audio servers. I'm a musician and Fedora HATES musicians. I know JACK audio was designed to torture distro developers. It is a nightmare to support but unfortunately just about any serious piece of music editing software beyond Audacity needs JACK to run and getting JACK to just install in Fedora has always been a challenge. Getting JACK to work and play well with the default nearly irremovable Fedora sound server even more of a challenge especially using KDE which has it's own issues with JACK. It'd be nice to have a distro that I could actually choose what sound servers I wanted and not have to uninstall a whole bunch of important software breaking packages that are dependent upon them and then reinstall them with support for another sound server or at least versions that don't knock JACK audio out the first time you use them. Didn't use to be such an ordeal. Under RH 6-9 and early Fedora versions I had a choice, at install if I remember correctly so that I didn't come up with a zillion dependency issues if I had to take Pulse audio out for example to make JACK work reliably. Linux is about choice and when you create defaults that are more like you'll use this or else like Fedora has come to do it takes choice away from you. I'd love to create a musicians spin of Fedora but last time I did a bit of research into it the idea was just not practical.

Propitiatory format support?
I'm curious about the mp3 support. While I prefer the ogg format when I trade files or send files to people using non-Linux OS's I usually have to send it as an mp3. I use multiple music players with various playlists and it's crucial to me to have mp3 support in at least 2 or 3 of those players. With your distro Likewise, while Firefox is my main browser I like to use Chrome or Galleon sometimes. The newer versions of Konquerer are actually not so bad and I've long used Opera though less so in recent years. You mention built in flash support but does that exclude flash support in other browsers? I'd LOVE to use Silverlight, Quicktime, etc. Most of these are fairly decently supported under Ubuntu and poorly or completely unsupported in Fedora. What formats do you have repository support for. I can understand not having direct support for them in the distro because of lawsuit happy lawyers. For any good distro though there is an unofficial guide who has good detailed support for propitiatory formats.

Nvidia & Intel video drivers?
These plague Linux and befuddle us.

Legacy support for older Fedora RPMs?
I ask this because I use an Epson scanner which needs propitiatory drivers which are rarely updated. Totally unsupported by SANE well it says supported sort of but in actual use it doesn't work. Last I looked F12 was the most recent Fedora distro supported. There are many other apps. For example I might want to install a developers version of Oracle. Oracle is usually a few years behind on RPM releases. Often I can install them no problem despite being designed for an older distro, at least as long as they use equal or greater than when checking dependency versions.

Got more but I suspect I've worn your eyes out.

[fewt]

Originally Posted by Draciron

Interesting idea, flash and other propitiatory formats have become increasingly more difficult to use on Fedora over the last few years. I never did get Flash working in F12 except in Chrome. FF and Konquerer both barfed huge hairballs every time I tried to view a complex flash page. Simple flash pages worked quite fine. Never had that problem with earlier Fedora distros or any other distro for that matter. Each version of Fedora seems that much less friendly to such formats. One of my many gripes.

I agree, it is pretty easy to build the integrations but users shouldn't have to think about these things. This is why I applied for distribution licenses. It should "just work".

Originally Posted by Draciron

Which brings me to a few questions.

My biggest gripes about Fedora are.

What are the support lengths on your versions?
No Long term support. I ran FC7 for YEARS on a couple machines. I was still using FC5 on one machine until around 07 or 08. I liked that !!!! I heavily customize my machines and moving to a new distro for me is more work than pit would take me to move to a new home. I mean literally it takes fewer hours to get a machine just the way I like it than it does to pack up all my belongings and load the large truck that it takes to hold them and unpack them. I spend hundreds of man hours installing and configuring software and little of it can be reused after I move up to a new version. I want at least 5 years out of an install unless there is a truly compelling feature I absolutely need. Enhanced support for USB was the last time that happened.

The support length will follow Fedora 14, as it receives updates from this release. I am investigating building a second version of Fuduntu using RHEL sources which would be supported for the length that RHEL 6 is supported.

Originally Posted by Draciron

Customization features?
The no root GUI login is an extreme pain. Apparently there's a work around for it that makes Ubuntu's work around seem simple. Still there is a need to run GUI apps as root occasionally. Especially for people like me who despise VI. That's just one of many changes to Fedora over the last few years that make it far more difficult to use rather than easy. My biggest gripe is actually customization. Fedora has become increasingly more difficult to customize. Even simple stuff like getting rid of that Windows imitation log in screen and getting a good Linux startup screen which actually helps you see when a service fails to start or other problems is inordinately difficult to do in Fedora. Most distros it's a simple mouse click or keystroke. The reliability of Yum extender and Kyum is another problem. While they are not Fedora apps, the reliance of Fedora on an imitation Microsoft install package which is as bare on features as Microsoft's useless add/remove apps is a great example of how Fedora has been left behind in the dust. The default GUI Yum and or Apt-Get on most distros are at least usable. The only thing I would touch with the default Fedora add/remove app was to install a real one like Yum extender or Kyum or Gnome-Yum. With Yum extender and Gnome yum apparently no longer maintained and buggy that doesn't leave a whole lot of choice does it?

I don't see any value in running as root, so I won't be changing this. I've been looking at switching to another login manager, but that's not something high on my list of things to do since the current GDM works and is stable.

Originally Posted by Draciron

JACK and other musician essential support?
Choice of audio servers. I'm a musician and Fedora HATES musicians. I know JACK audio was designed to torture distro developers. It is a nightmare to support but unfortunately just about any serious piece of music editing software beyond Audacity needs JACK to run and getting JACK to just install in Fedora has always been a challenge. Getting JACK to work and play well with the default nearly irremovable Fedora sound server even more of a challenge especially using KDE which has it's own issues with JACK. It'd be nice to have a distro that I could actually choose what sound servers I wanted and not have to uninstall a whole bunch of important software breaking packages that are dependent upon them and then reinstall them with support for another sound server or at least versions that don't knock JACK audio out the first time you use them. Didn't use to be such an ordeal. Under RH 6-9 and early Fedora versions I had a choice, at install if I remember correctly so that I didn't come up with a zillion dependency issues if I had to take Pulse audio out for example to make JACK work reliably. Linux is about choice and when you create defaults that are more like you'll use this or else like Fedora has come to do it takes choice away from you. I'd love to create a musicians spin of Fedora but last time I did a bit of research into it the idea was just not practical.

I haven't done anything with JACK, so I have no exposure to it. What's the level of difficulty making it work with Fedora 14 or Fuduntu? I can take things that would make it easier and integrate them into the distribution as long as it doesn't break anything else.

Originally Posted by Draciron

Propitiatory format support?
I'm curious about the mp3 support. While I prefer the ogg format when I trade files or send files to people using non-Linux OS's I usually have to send it as an mp3. I use multiple music players with various playlists and it's crucial to me to have mp3 support in at least 2 or 3 of those players. With your distro Likewise, while Firefox is my main browser I like to use Chrome or Galleon sometimes. The newer versions of Konquerer are actually not so bad and I've long used Opera though less so in recent years. You mention built in flash support but does that exclude flash support in other browsers? I'd LOVE to use Silverlight, Quicktime, etc. Most of these are fairly decently supported under Ubuntu and poorly or completely unsupported in Fedora. What formats do you have repository support for. I can understand not having direct support for them in the distro because of lawsuit happy lawyers. For any good distro though there is an unofficial guide who has good detailed support for propitiatory formats.

Moonlight should be installable, and the latest version of Fuduntu pulls in VLC which should give some level of support for quicktime.

Originally Posted by Draciron

Nvidia & Intel video drivers?
These plague Linux and befuddle us.

There is an NVidia how-to in the Fuduntu forum, and I have heard the ATI driver works too. I'm thinking through the process of packaging the binary drivers with DKMS but that's pretty far off.

Originally Posted by Draciron

Legacy support for older Fedora RPMs?
I ask this because I use an Epson scanner which needs propitiatory drivers which are rarely updated. Totally unsupported by SANE well it says supported sort of but in actual use it doesn't work. Last I looked F12 was the most recent Fedora distro supported. There are many other apps. For example I might want to install a developers version of Oracle. Oracle is usually a few years behind on RPM releases. Often I can install them no problem despite being designed for an older distro, at least as long as they use equal or greater than when checking dependency versions.

Fedora's compat packages are EXCELLENT. Are you having issues with them?

Originally Posted by Draciron

Got more but I suspect I've worn your eyes out.

---------- Post added at 09:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:49 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Mariusz W

I must clear the misunderstanding that regretfully crept in.

My comment was directed at the manner in which the creator of Fuduntu responded to reasonable criticisms politely expressed by several members of the Fedora Forum, not at his decisions that caused the criticisms.

"Laughing Out Loud in your face" and saying "I don't care" in such circumstances is a fair indication of immaturity and, well, lack of elementary manners. It doesn't instill trust in what he is undertaking.

Laughing out loud means that I think that the criticism is funny. You shouldn't make assumptions.

The name is a pun, intended to be fun, and funny, while implying that the distribution fits in-between Fedora and Ubuntu. The fun uses of the name mean that it is successful, so go ahead, have fun with it!

- http://www.fuduntu.org

[leigh123linux]

Originally Posted by fuduntu

I agree, it is pretty easy to build the integrations but users shouldn't have to think about these things. This is why I applied for distribution licenses. It should "just work".



The support length will follow Fedora 14, as it receives updates from this release. I am investigating building a second version of Fuduntu using RHEL sources which would be supported for the length that RHEL 6 is supported.



I don't see any value in running as root, so I won't be changing this. I've been looking at switching to another login manager, but that's not something high on my list of things to do since the current GDM works and is stable.



I haven't done anything with JACK, so I have no exposure to it. What's the level of difficulty making it work with Fedora 14 or Fuduntu? I can take things that would make it easier and integrate them into the distribution as long as it doesn't break anything else.



Moonlight should be installable, and the latest version of Fuduntu pulls in VLC which should give some level of support for quicktime.



There is an NVidia how-to in the Fuduntu forum, and I have heard the ATI driver works too. I'm thinking through the process of packaging the binary drivers with DKMS but that's pretty far off.



Fedora's compat packages are EXCELLENT. Are you having issues with them?





---------- Post added at 09:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:49 AM ----------



Laughing out loud means that I think that the criticism is funny. You shouldn't make assumptions.



- http://www.fuduntu.org

The guide is unsafe (because it overwrites system files) and needs redoing every kernel/xorg server update .

[Draciron]

First off sorry about the double post. This thread has almost spread into two separate topics and the sheer length of the posts would make it difficult for others to quote and reply to specific areas and given that the convo has forked so much I figured a double post was less rude than a gargantuan cover all post.

Originally Posted by fewt

I agree, it is pretty easy to build the integrations but users shouldn't have to think about these things. This is why I applied for distribution licenses. It should "just work".

Agreed, basic tasks should be like that, whole point of having a distro and most users won't have to tweak much or at all.

Originally Posted by fewt

The support length will follow Fedora 14, as it receives updates from this release. I am investigating building a second version of Fuduntu using RHEL sources which would be supported for the length that RHEL 6 is supported.

RHEL however lacks support for many newer libs. One of the reasons why CentOS makes such a poor desktop. As a server it's fine because you don't run much in the way of flash bang kinds of things. However for a desktop which is what your distro seems aimed at then your in deep without a paddle without the latest greatest libs. You want to install the Skype Linux client or Chrome or even the latest Flash or Java and you'll start banging up against dependency issues. Linux itself is a fragile chain of dependencies. That is both strength and weakness. It is what makes Linux so lean and efficient but it also means that you break one thing you've probably broken five other things and the five things you broke break another 20 and so on until the system just comes crashing down.

One of the big draws of Linux for me is I tweak my machine to death. I run it the way I want it run. I do things MY way. To accept certain apps and to be limited in hardware and software I can run is not a fair trade off. Nor is having to rebuild everything every couple years. Just makes no sense, %99 of the core Linux hasn't changed, it's just gotten updated libs and security/bug fixes. Having to copy hundreds of configuration files, back up everything on the machine, reinstalls thousands of apps every couple years is too much. That's why I was hoping you were using Fedora only as a starting point, source of drivers and kernel changes, the rest spinning off yourself.

Originally Posted by fewt

I don't see any value in running as root, so I won't be changing this. I've been looking at switching to another login manager, but that's not something high on my list of things to do since the current GDM works and is stable.

I do it about once a week. Sometimes I'm just being lazy, for example rather than create a new user just so I can use switch user and document how to do something in both KDE and Gnome I'll just log in as root. More commonly I want to edit files in a decent text editor and all of those are X apps. If I'm doing more than a couple lines of editing it's FAR easier to use Kwrite than VI. I can be done with the edits by the time I even reach the lines I need to edit in VI in most cases.

Far too often admin tools break when run from another user. The printer configuration tool for example in F12 seems to refuse to run except when launched as root. At least in root mode. You can run it and look at all the things you could do if it'd accept your root PW but it garbles it. Sure it's a bug that shouldn't be there but I don't honestly care if it's a bug or not. I want to configure a printer and I just launch it from a root shell and away I go. If I'm in one user space and need to access one of the other accounts I have on the machine with a GUI app again I just launch it from a root shell and away I go. Yes there are not many things you cannot do from a command line and I use the term windows frequently. I normally have one open 24/7 with at least 4 different tabs open at any given time and use the term window 100 times a day. That's me, I cut my teeth using OS's like DOS and I'm very comfortable in a command line environment. Still there are many things that are just easier from a GUI and a few that essentially are forced on you now days.

Lets take some examples. You ran / out of space and ./home is on your / partition. Try logging in as anything but root then lol. Editing SELinux policies, network admin functions, mass file moves/deletions of dissimilar files in root owned dirs, doing system level programming, popping a hard drive from another Linux machine to grab selective files off the machine. From the term window it's often easier to copy the whole thing over and then use a GUI app like Krusader to weed out what you didn't want. It's far easier still to pull up Krusader in root mode and copy only what you need especially when the drive you are copying from has more data than you have free space. There are thousands of things that are just a whole lot easier if you can open a Root X app to do. It's maybe once every 3 or 4 years I actually login as root except when I'm being lazy. However those times are absolutely essential for me. Especially recovering data when a hard drive suddenly fails, recovering forensic data from a hacked machine or similar tasks. Try using SUDO to do a mem walk of hacked machine for example.

I can see having a little toggle to flip somewhere in a configuration file to discourage kiddos from running as root but banning it completely is insane and makes the distro totally useless in my opinion. So much so that I am abandoning Fedora over that issue in specific. As much as I am annoyed with the other trash Fedora has tossed in in recent years the no root login is the straw that broke the camels back. Me Fedora and RH before that have been my main distro since the mid 90s. I've had at least one machine running RH or Fedora without fail since about 98. Much of that time RH and or Fedora was the ONLY distro I was running, 13 years I've been using this same distro but the no root login is a deal killer for me. It's THAT big a deal for me. If I have too I'll write my own GDM because it'll be save me time over six months time compared to what I lose by losing root login functionality.

Originally Posted by fewt

I haven't done anything with JACK, so I have no exposure to it. What's the level of difficulty making it work with Fedora 14 or Fuduntu? I can take things that would make it easier and integrate them into the distribution as long as it doesn't break anything else.

Planet CRM http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ would be a starting point. They do a decent job of foiling the dependency monster for many important apps but they are no help in getting JACK audio to work and play well. The problem is that JACK is working fine then a system bell goes off or you play an OGG or any other sound that uses certain sound servers and Jack goes silent. Silent as a ghost and remains that way until you log out and log back in. That is if you can get it to make a sound at all. I've been trying since FC3 to get JACK to work and play well with Fedora.

Another issue is how difficult it is to craft a low latency kernel which is important in recording. Mandriva, SUSE and Ubuntu all have good low latency kernels. I've never found one for Fedora. JACKLabs was a great audio distro but it only had one release and died after that. However their kernel tweaks and the base apps installed would be a great blueprint for a musician spin if they could be translated to Fedora or another supported distro.

Originally Posted by fewt

Moonlight should be installable, and the latest version of Fuduntu pulls in VLC which should give some level of support for quicktime.

Coolness, excellent features. If not for the no root log in I'd very likely give your distro a try.

Originally Posted by fewt

There is an NVidia how-to in the Fuduntu forum, and I have heard the ATI driver works too. I'm thinking through the process of packaging the binary drivers with DKMS but that's pretty far off.

Leigh's guides for dealing with video drivers are the best I've seen. That FAQ has repeatedly saved me hours of frustration in various installs. My opinion is though that it shouldn't be needed. Face it unless your installing on some really old hardware your going to be using one of 3 vid cards. ATI, NVidia or Intel. Not even sure any others are made. All 3 require special treatment and special drivers installed. All 3 are so because of a matter of principle from the Fedora team who have unlike most distros decided that they shall sit in the corner and thumb their noses at the manufacturers for not providing full specs and source then on the other hand they'll provide great support for the drivers. Only catch is you have to take a maimed system, one sometimes completely without video at all and go get those drivers.

Just to add insult to injury the installer GUI works GREAT with that video card. You get nice resolution, purty colors and all is good until you first log in and discover if you have video at all it's 640x480.

Lets get real folks. Yes the manufacturers should do a better job of working with Linux distros. Much of it is our own fault since we are not vocal enough in our requests for support. However to take it out on the users makes no sense. I don't work for Intel or ATI or Nvidia. I didn't do it !!! Why punish me? Instead of making me take crippled system go out and GET that driver why not go get it for me if it's later than the CD has or at least let me limp along with the same driver they use for the installer which actually works and try some autodetection. It's been years since I installed Fedora and didn't have to go through this ordeal. Sometimes having to use a live CD to have enough vid to install the friggin rpms needed so I could have video. I mean half the time I get a pure black screen soon as the GDM takes over. I get to see a wonderful Fedora logo splash screen just to taunt me. After that nothingness. That's just wrong man and it's probably driven away more than half the people who would have become Fedora users over the last few years. Liegh and those who maintain the drivers have enabled us to go on with a broken system but the fact is the system is broke. Fedora is punishing us for sins of others.

Side note, sometimes I can't even drop to a shell, even that's black screen. Depends on the specific card. However text based browsers are really no longer practical in such circumstances and if you don't have another working machine around you have to get to the net somehow and get to leigh's FAQ since it changes from version to version you can't just do what you did with the last version.

Another irritation with Nvidia that drives me nuts is the lost mouse cursor. Fedora defaults to hardware on or off, I forget which. Every time I install if I DO have video of any sort I have to go tinker with xorg.conf and change that if I want to have a mouse cursor on a machine with an Nvidia video driver. Maybe they've fixed it since my xorg.conf shows no sign of having had to do this or maybe this install was a black screen install so there was no point in having a cursor you couldn't see anyway. Don't remember which. I'm being lazy but you can find a dozen threads relating to that in just these forums. It's been a problem for years. If Nvidia is detected might as well by default modify xorg.conf so the poor user has a mouse cursor while they fumble for the needed drivers.

I know Intel and ATI have their own issues. I build all of my own machines and today if your using an AMD chip you can use Nvidia or NVidia or even Nvidia. That's about it. All the MBs with a reasonable price tag come with Nvidia vid cards so I'm kinda focused on Nvidia. It's not like I have much choice in what Vid card I can use.

Originally Posted by fewt

Fedora's compat packages are EXCELLENT. Are you having issues with them?

Nope, I'm not having any probs with compat. Just hoping that you use it. compat is one of Fedoras strong points in my opinion. Debian bases systems are behind Fedora based distros in backwards compatibility in my experience.