Fedora 11 Preview released

[AdamW]

can someone link to the page where you're getting the minimum specifications?

[RahulSundaram]

Hi Adam,

I believe it is

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/releas...html#id2761482

We had discussed it before and I suppose we could bump up the minimum requirements making assumptions that majority of users are either going to be running GNOME or KDE and mention that explicitly? Otherwise, while the minimum requirements are technically accurate (based on Anaconda's requirement really), it probably isn't very reflective of the what end users are running. Would you want to file a RFE on this?

[Riser Glen]

does that persist in further reboots? what happens if you boot to runlevel 3?

The problem persists in further reboots. I wasn't sure about how to do runlevel 3, so I added a "1" in grub, then typed "init 3" when I got a prompt. I got to a text-based configuration, which didn't help.

So, I exited out of the text-based config and manually added a user, logged in, started X, and I got to the desktop, but ended up with a mouse that doesn't move and a keyboard that doesn't work, just like when I was at the welcome screen.

[AdamW]

just adding a '3' in grub gets you to runlevel 3 (text boot). So, text mode works OK?

Can you try booting regularly, then boot to runlevel 3 and take a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log for us to look at? Thanks!

[AdamW]

rahul: yeah, an RFE makes sense to me. I'd want to be a bit more explicit, just something like:

"The absolute minimal requirements to achieve a working installation of Fedora are:

blah
blah
blah

However, an installed system with a standard desktop (GNOME, KDE or Xfce) and standard applications like Firefox is unlikely to be usable on such hardware. A desktop environment and application set intended for use on low-resource machines may work acceptably. Minimal specifications for acceptable performance with a standard desktop and applications are:

blah+5
blah+5
blah+5"

something like that. Look good?

[LuckyDay]

Well, Lucky ... this is a user helping user forum, not Redhat or the Fedora project.

Although we are in cooperation with the fedora project, this is a privately owned forum, not a subsidiary of Redhat. If you've got a beef with the documentation on the fedora project, take it over there.

OK. So, it's not that you don't want to change the minimum hardware requirements, it's that you can't. You should have said this first. Pretending that users must deal with bad information and dig, dig, dig, to find out what's going on was not right the answer.

I've already learned quite a bit from this site, maybe the mailing lists would teach me more, but I was hesitating between CentOS and Fedora. Finally, I believe I'll go for CentOS first. I don't care so much about being bleeding edge and, at least, their site doesn't send you to forums they have no control upon.

Being less experimental and having a sounder communication process seems better to me.

Thanks for the info.

[Dan]

OK. So, it's not that you don't want to change the minimum hardware requirements, it's that you can't. You should have said this first. Pretending that users must deal with bad information and dig, dig, dig, to find out what's going on was not right the answer.

That, my friend, was exactly the wrong answer.

[robert-e]

LuckyDay,
It seems to me that you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. These guys do what they can for fedora user, but if you continue to tick them off (especially the admins), you might just find any source of future help drying up. Chill out; perhaps take a day or two off the forum and think some about fedora/Centros choices.
Bob

[sdlor]

In case it doesn't get said often enough: Thanks to all who have helped me here in the past; and I'm sure will continue to help myself and others in times to come. This forum has been great for me. I probably wouldn't be using Fedora now, if it wasn't for the patient assistance I've found here.

[RahulSundaram]

Hi Adam,

Filed a quick RFE at

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499585

[Riser Glen]

just adding a '3' in grub gets you to runlevel 3 (text boot). So, text mode works OK?

Can you try booting regularly, then boot to runlevel 3 and take a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log for us to look at? Thanks!

I figured out that the problem was hald was not starting. So, I boot into runlevel 3, started hald, then started X, and now the mouse & keyboard work.

I would file a bug report, but I'm still waiting on my password reset email and I'm not signing up again.

[Dan]

Just a quick FYI:

I've noticed about a good thirty minute lag time for emails coming in from bugzilla. Not at all surprising I guess. With the gold release of F11 just around the corner, Bugzilla is a happenin' kind of a place right now! <....>.

[Riser Glen]

Just a quick FYI:

I've noticed about a good thirty minute lag time for emails coming in from bugzilla. Not at all surprising I guess. With the gold release of F11 just around the corner, Bugzilla is a happenin' kind of a place right now! <....>.

30 minute lag? Ha! It has been days, and yes, I've tried more than once.

[Dan]

Hmmm.

OK. That does seem completely outrageous. I suspect then that something went wrong in the process for you. I just changed my email address (and therefore login) there day before yesterday and it took about 30 minutes for the emails to come through.

That wasn't the exact change you've made, but it still shouldn't take more than a few hours. If it was me ... I'd check my spam filters for a junked confirmation message, and if there was nothing there inside of two hours ... I'd try it again.

Barring that, Maybe PM Rahul or Adam and see if they have any bright ideas.

In the long run, however, this may be one of those times when the potential returns from the situation might end up being worth the added aggravation of re-registering to get past this issue.

[AdamW]

Not sure what's going on with the email, mine seem to come through within 30 mins or so as for Dan. I concur with the suggestion to check your junk filter.

Do you have any idea why hald isn't starting? That's not normal