Multimedia & FC5

[j_baer]

Installed the new FC test2 candidate and it looks good. My question is what is the preferred multimedia solution? With the new gstreamer framework will Totem be able to play the various media formats and if this is true how do we install the required components?

Thanks ...

[bitrain]

Which ones do you mean? mp3? You can get them from livna or other unofficial repos.

[RahulSundaram]

Installed the new FC test2 candidate and it looks good. My question is what is the preferred multimedia solution? With the new gstreamer framework will Totem be able to play the various media formats and if this is true how do we install the required components?

Thanks ...

http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en/sn-package-notes.html#sn-multimedia

[svk]

How do I add "livna" to my FC5t2?

Thanks,

Sean

Which ones do you mean? mp3? You can get them from livna or other unofficial repos.

[dubkat]

How do I add "livna" to my FC5t2?

Thanks,

Sean

the answer you seek is at http://rpm.livina.org
:cool:

[Demz]

http://rpm.livna.org/configuration.html

[imdeemvp]

It is a sad fact that fedora does not provide good multimedia support. I installed pclinuxos (http://www.pclinuxos.com/) and the only plug-in missing was lvdccs for dvd playback. Out of the box it play my mp3's and the funny thing it's a USA based distro.

If fedora and pclinuxos were to get in a ring PCLinuxOS knocks out fedora for all its multimedia, nvidia and ati support. Forbidden items for fedora users? NOT for those who pay for RHEL!

[Demz]

why fedora cant/wont supply mp3 support is because of this same old issue @ www.mp3licensing.org

[taurus]

It is a sad fact that fedora does not provide good multimedia support. I installed pclinuxos (http://www.pclinuxos.com/) and the only plug-in missing was lvdccs for dvd playback. Out of the box it play my mp3's and the funny thing it's a USA based distro.

If fedora and pclinuxos were to get in a ring PCLinuxOS knocks out fedora for all its multimedia, nvidia and ati support. Forbidden items for fedora users? NOT for those who pay for RHEL!
This is not FC along, okay. It's the same with other major Linux distros too due to licensing (mp3 stuff) and laws (DVD encryption stuff). And if pclinuxos decides to include all that in their distro, it's their choice because they better have plan B when somebody comes and knocks on their door...

[smfinley]

See Fedora Core 5 Installation Notes (http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html).

[Firewing1]

See Fedora Core 5 Installation Notes (http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html).
Sweet! I was waiting for the 'core 5 ones... Now just waiting for Livna & RPMForge to release fc5 support :D
Firewing1

[RedFedora]

This is not FC along, okay. It's the same with other major Linux distros too due to licensing (mp3 stuff) and laws (DVD encryption stuff). And if pclinuxos decides to include all that in their distro, it's their choice because they better have plan B when somebody comes and knocks on their door...

Actually, a number of other US-based distros provide mp3 support and
such. MEPIS, and Novelle (evaluation version), for example. Most non-US
distro have no problems shipping these items. BLAG, Xandros, etc.

Fedora plays it safe, which by chance, makes RHEL look more
appealing.

[Finalzone]

See Fedora Core 5 Installation Notes (http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html).

Some corrections,

About Azureus for bittorrent, it is available in Fedora Extras for FC5, you should update your FAQ.

[Finalzone]

Actually, a number of other US-based distros provide mp3 support and
such. MEPIS, and Novelle (evaluation version), for example. Most non-US
distro have no problems shipping these items. BLAG, Xandros, etc.

The tradeoff is they have to find money to paid MP3 support fees. Once again, Fedora is about Free and Open Source (which is why Nvidia, ATI are not included) and no patents (i.e. mp3). Why that point is brought back again is beyond me even though that issue is settled long time ago . :sigh:

[RedFedora]

I seem to recall nVidia provides open source drivers. They're not licensed under
the GPL, but they distribute their source code. You could change the code to match
your requirements or just to play with it, should you choose.

[imdeemvp]

Actually, a number of other US-based distros provide mp3 support and
such. MEPIS, and Novelle (evaluation version), for example. Most non-US
distro have no problems shipping these items. BLAG, Xandros, etc.

Fedora plays it safe, which by chance, makes RHEL look more
appealing.

That's so true. There are many USA distro's that include mp3 support as previously mentioned. In fedora you can have access to the internet and from there they tell you in a very masked way how to obtain the plug-in. Just look at the Fedora FAQ's. Developers are just trying to cover the sun with one finger and just pass it to the user.

No shame, no shame....

[RedFedora]

Since this has gone around so very often, I decided to sit down tonight and throw
a small install program together. This little beast is ugly (I mean fugly) but
it seems to work on my FC4 box for installing mp3 support, NTFS support, etc.

If I get any positive feedback, I may put an nCurses or GUI on it, but one step
at a time.

The readme and tarball are here:
http://slicer69.tripod.com/code/index.html#linux

[smfinley]

Some corrections,

About Azureus for bittorrent, it is available in Fedora Extras for FC5, you should update your FAQ.I prefer to install and run Azureus from my home directory using Sun Java selected via the alternatives method. The Azureus that ships with FC5 uses the open source gcj Java clone which is suboptimal for my purposes. No correction required.

Here's the thing: I run many Java applications including JAlbum (creates web-servable photo albums and slideshows) and Limewire. To use these I have to install Sun Java and select it as my default Java implementation using the alternatives method. Then the Azureus that ships with FC5 no longer works. However my method of installing Azureus outlined at Fedora Core 5 Installation Notes (http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html) allows all my Java apps to work in harmony.

[Finalzone]

I seem to recall nVidia provides open source drivers. They're not licensed under
the GPL, but they distribute their source code. You could change the code to match
your requirements or just to play with it, should you choose.
Except the 3D support is not included in the nv driver because it is closed source. It would not be surprise it is the same case with ATI driver as well.


That's so true. There are many USA distro's that include mp3 support as previously mentioned. In fedora you can have access to the internet and from there they tell you in a very masked way how to obtain the plug-in. Just look at the Fedora FAQ's. Developers are just trying to cover the sun with one finger and just pass it to the user.

Why bringing this dead horse back where you are fully aware of Fedora philoshopies (emphasis added) and ask what they won't include? The problem with that kind of argument is the assertion that mp3= whole multimedia. Wake up, it is only a de facto standard format. It is not possible to modify the encoding/decoding process then release back without Thomson Technologies approval. Ogg Vorbis format provide that alternative, you hear that some users now ripped their CD in Vorbis. Fedora Core is about alternative to provide free and open source software without worrying about patented technologies. You don't like it, look for another distros.

[imdeemvp]

Finalzone, how long have you been using fedora? how many reviews do you read about your beloved fedora? NOT many....any where I've been, forum, chatroom, etc...there is this one complaint about how buggy, poor multimedia and faulty alsa support fedora offers. It's great for servers no doubt about!

This is a quote from a madpenguin review: Media support is missing as always. I won't go into the details because we've hashed this out many times before. Many Linux distros are going the way of stripping down their software to remain below the radar of those who would seek to stop them from distributing multimedia-capable releases.

I agree I would NOT mind paying a small fee just to own the plug-in! and install it as many times I want.

You don't like it, look for another distros.
Which is exactly what I did :D Unlike you, they dont own me because there are better choices!

[Finalzone]

Finalzone, how long have you been using fedora?
Since its existence starting from Fedora Core 1.

how many reviews do you read about your beloved fedora? NOT many...
Sorry to burst bubble, I have read lot of reviews. Some of them simply didn't understand the philosophies behind Fedora. Fedora users and developer read them as well and improve the product.

.any where I've been, forum, chatroom, etc...there is this one complaint about how buggy, poor multimedia and faulty alsa support fedora offers. It's great for servers no doubt about!
...desktop and workstation as demonstrated by some studios like Pixar. Alsa worked fine although you didn't specify what version got the problem. Your keep insisting about poor multimedia because Fedora does not support mp3? how sad as you know the way to solve issue. Soon you will have the option to add third party repo wher you can install your favorite patented application.


This is a quote from a madpenguin review:
I agree I would NOT mind paying a small fee just to own the plug-in! and install it as many times I want.
Link? What review from what version? You think you own the plug-ins but you forget that you cannot modify and redistribute without the patent owner.

Which is exactly what I did :D Unlike you, they dont own me because there are better choices!
Good for you.

[RedFedora]

>> Except the 3D support is not included in the nv driver because it is closed source.
>> It would not be surprise it is the same case with ATI driver as well.

I was talking about the 3D support drivers. I have them installed on my machine and
working nicely. And I compiled them from the source provided by nVidia.
Perhaps you should look into this a little more carefully before making
such statements.

[Finalzone]

I was talking about the 3D support drivers. I have them installed on my machine and
working nicely. And I compiled them from the source provided by nVidia.
Perhaps you should look into this a little more carefully before making
such statements.

Can you look inside the code, modify and ehhance the nVidia 3D source code from the driver?

[Firewing1]

Can you look inside the code, modify and ehhance the nVidia 3D source code from the driver?
yup. run
sh nvidia-whatever-the-name-is --extract only
enter the dir and edit the source
Firewing1

[buddha]

Can you look inside the code, modify and ehhance the nVidia 3D source code from the driver?NO

Only the kernel interface layer is open source. The 3D driver is closed-source and distributed in binary form only.

[imdeemvp]

Originally Posted by Finalzone.
Alsa worked fine although you didn't specify what version got the problem. Your keep insisting about poor multimedia because Fedora does not support mp3? how sad as you know the way to solve issue. I have played ut2003, DOOM3 and even QUAKE 4 in fedora.....and I always have to use this command so sound is not distorded when playing the game:+set s_driver oss +set s_numberOfSpeakers 2something I dont have to do with mandriva, slackware, linspire and even pclinuxos.

This distro has classified itself as the building block for RHEL so it's consider to be beta ground. There will be limitations to it and I understand that. I dont understand about the poor multimedia support when its being distrubute as beta for people to try it and in response to them we report its bugs and flaws. Most beta apps I tested are fully operational.

When you are going to purchase a car you test drive it with 4 wheels, breaks, mirrors, etc....to make sure it works and runs properly. Fedora makes me think I am the DUMMY in a crash test with seat belts BUT no multimedia support for me to enjoy the ride.

[kennon]

Not to sound like some kind of ogre but...what a lot of folks seem to be kind of straying away from is the fact that Fedora is not really trying to win any prizes for out of the box Desktop solution. It is a distro that is really in the spirit of the GPL. I mean not only do they not do a lot of Multimedia stuff but they also don't even support NTFS filesystems, and that module is built into the kernel(they just turn off the compile switch)! If you want that kind of stuff then I recommend ponying up for something like Novell Linux Desktop 10 or RHEL. Fedora is all about freedom. If it isn't GPL then it does not belong in this distro. Additionally why should a publically traded company like Red Hat risk any kind of legal exposure on a product that they make zero money on? If you really need that kind of multimedia stuff and adding a couple repos and downloading some after-install stuff is a burden for you then I suggest one of the aforementioned pay products :-) Or even one of the free ones that others have mentioned.

And by the way, unless this is something that has changed in the last few days nVidia DOES NOT provide open source drivers. They provide closed source binaries to the Open Source community. There is a huge difference.

[Finalzone]

Thank you for the further clarification for what Fedora is all about.