fedora desktop enhancments ?

[neighborlee]

hi.,

I am wondering if :

http://apt.bea.ki.se/kernel-desktop/

is going to make it into next release or if its being considered at all ?

thx
nl

[Tashiro]

Moved to Fedora Core 5 - Dev.

Tashiro

[NBZ]

Having a quick look at that kernel...

1. NTFS will never be included this side of a blue moon.
2. Inotify is in the mainline kernel now
3. Suspend is supposedly improved in the latest official kernels.

The realtime bits are not generally needed for a desktop kernel, and more for embedded systems (unless you have a specific software need). Realtime does not necessarily mean faster. It can mean slower for processes that are not deemed important enough to hog the CPU.

I have no idea what the kolivas changes or the additions are.

So 50% is already included, and the rest may not even be helpful, and may slow things down.

If the other patches are good, they should be pushed upstream, so everyone can benefit.

[RahulSundaram]

hi.,

I am wondering if :

http://apt.bea.ki.se/kernel-desktop/

is going to make it into next release or if its being considered at all ?

thx
nl

Nobody talked to the developers about it in fedora-devel list or packaged it for inclusion in Fedora Extras (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras). It needs to be proposed for it to be considered. If you want to get involved go ahead.

[cybrjackle]

The person that maintains this doesn't keep up with it, he is atleast 3 kernels behind on fc4, doesn't include amd64 or ppc kernels. NTFS wont be included, and the "core" kernel will always follow vanilla plus what ever bits the rh/fc developers decide to include so I highly doubt you will ever see ck patches in there. However, this brings up a good question :)

Rahul,

I know you can't speak for all of Fedora, but do you think it might be possible to get "other" kernel versions in extra's for users to install if they wanted to?

Like
ck and mm kernel patches added to the default fc kernel.

[neighborlee]

Having a quick look at that kernel...

1. NTFS will never be included this side of a blue moon.
2. Inotify is in the mainline kernel now
3. Suspend is supposedly improved in the latest official kernels.

The realtime bits are not generally needed for a desktop kernel, and more for embedded systems (unless you have a specific software need). Realtime does not necessarily mean faster. It can mean slower for processes that are not deemed important enough to hog the CPU.

I have no idea what the kolivas changes or the additions are.

So 50% is already included, and the rest may not even be helpful, and may slow things down.

If the other patches are good, they should be pushed upstream, so everyone can benefit.

other than inotify ( which im not sure what all it does from reading the page) my main concern really was to get supermount-ng ( or some derivative) into fedora for ease of use..I had thought it a bit odd that fedora lagged behind in this area so i was curious if it was coming or not ;-0)...and ok I'll propose it with pleasure.

thx
nl

[RahulSundaram]

The person that maintains this doesn't keep up with it, he is atleast 3 kernels behind on fc4, doesn't include amd64 or ppc kernels. NTFS wont be included, and the "core" kernel will always follow vanilla plus what ever bits the rh/fc developers decide to include so I highly doubt you will ever see ck patches in there. However, this brings up a good question :)

Rahul,

I know you can't speak for all of Fedora, but do you think it might be possible to get "other" kernel versions in extra's for users to install if they wanted to?

Like
ck and mm kernel patches added to the default fc kernel.

Its certainly possible to have alternative kernels in Fedora Extras if someone steps up to maintain those package.. requirements for Fedora Extras repository is that it should open source, legally unencumbered and should not replace Fedora Core packages. Since kernels can be installed in parallel I dont see a problem.

[RahulSundaram]

other than inotify ( which im not sure what all it does from reading the page) my main concern really was to get supermount-ng ( or some derivative) into fedora for ease of use..I had thought it a bit odd that fedora lagged behind in this area so i was curious if it was coming or not ;-0)...and ok I'll propose it with pleasure.

thx
nl

Inotify is in the upstream kernel and consequently in the Fedora kernel too. Fedora avoids patching the packages to stay close to upstream to avoid incompatibility and maintenance issues. HAL developed by Red Hat as a freedesktop.org solution provides automatically mounting of devices in both GNOME and KDE starting from 3.5 version instead of using a kernel patch like supermount-ng.