FC4 Final

[drunkahol]

How close will the Fedora Core 4 Final be to the last FC3T3 updates?

Wouldn't have thought there would be any changes in the next 2 days. But I'm wondering if the latest updates I downloaded (yesterday I think) would be in the lead up to the release of FC4 Final, or some development for the first updates to FC4 Final.

Anybody have any insight or answers to this?

[markkuk]

The latest set of updates in the development/Rawhide repository are the beginning of development for FC5.

[bytesniper]

How close will the Fedora Core 4 Final be to the last FC3T3 updates? hard to say, but i would assume it would be fairly close.

FC4 Final got pushed back to June 13th, so we got about 9 days. FC4 final should ship with the latest stable/tested packages available at the time of publishing.

[k4dgw]

That's certainly not good news....tried FC4T3 on my new motherboard / video card combination and it dies during install. Oh well.

Dave
K4DGW

[bytesniper]

what are your system specs, and how does it "die" during install?

[k4dgw]

Asus A8N - SLI Deluxe motherboard and ATI Radeon video card, and Envison LCD. The card has been kicking my butt. Tried to reload FC3 after upgrading and can only run in text mode (even after update with yum and the new ATI drivers). Grabbed FC4T3, for AMD 64. Burned and booted. Started running through the setups, and got to where it appeared it was going into a graphical setup and went to a blank screen with an underscore or hypen on it.

Dave
K4DGW

[bytesniper]

in your xorg.conf are you using just the generic "ati" driver?

[k4dgw]

I don't have an xorg.conf. If I install FC3, I never get one. If I install FC3, then all the updates, I can no longer do a Xorg -configure to generate one. When I added all of the new hardware FC3 wouldn't boot. Hung at grub. I have two hard disks, one as /home. So I have been downloading every distro I could think of (after I tried FC4 and it bombed) with no luck. Knoppix 3.8 runs fine. Unbuntu detects the video card, but still has issues. So when I tried to install FC4T3, it was essentially like a new install. I can fire it up again here and see what it does. I did media checks on all 5 disks.

[k4dgw]

Just re-ran it. It goes through the media checks, then runs Anaconda, probes video card. It loaded the Vesa driver, then sets unknown monitor and three button mouse. It starts X, says it is putting a long at /tmp/x.log, a 1 flashes and then it crashes. It doesn't seem to detect the x700. I will try it again with noprobe and see if that works.

[k4dgw]

Went back and did a text install, personal desktop edition. Went through the three disks, removed CD-ROM and rebooted. System went through the starup, just after "Initialising Hardware" which completes ok, it dies. I believe this is where the graphical portion of the startup begins. System goes to a blank screen and stays there.

[drunkahol]

I posted a bug regarding a hang at exactly this point.

A Toshiba laptop managed to to the graphical install, but on the first boot it hung with a white screen.

I later discovered that the laptop booted completely after more than 24 hours in this state. Didn't expect the boot to take this long, but the laptop was quite old.

I'm not saying what I saw was the same as what you are seeing, but I don't think there is quite the same robustness around FC4 as with FC3.

[fadhilmarus]

13 june brother....13 june :D :D :D

[k4dgw]

Doesn't help much if the installer for the BRAND NEW release is not recognizing a card that has been out for nine months.

[fadhilmarus]

you might be right...
just curious....
have you try to install the FC4T3 with a 'recognizable' video card? and when it finished...swap with your X700...disable rhgb, enter text mode and install the fglrx?
i'm just curious :D :D

[k4dgw]

Well, the install tried VESA which (based on past experience, not specific knowledge) tends to cover a vast range of cards. In my experience with Linux, it has been like the VGA drivers for Windows back in the day. The plain vanilla drivers you would go to when nothing else would work. It is an interesting idea. But I don't have another card, and I have a distinct feeling that if this card is not going to work with VESA, any other driver / xorg setup would have to be MORE specific, and it thus would work there. Its looking like I am going to have to go with Unbuntu. It was at least correctly identified the card. I am just so comfortable with FC, and I DID NOT like having to sudo everything in Unbuntu, since they don't have root.

[mrtaber]

To avoid sudo, just type
sudo passwd root
and enter a root password when prompted for it. Voila, you can use root, including su.

Mark :)

[k4dgw]

At the time, I was speaking about Unbuntu. It does NOT have a root password. For EVERYTHING you want to do as root, you HAVE to use sudo. Then you use the user's password for sudo'ing. Besides being annoying, and against what I am used to, it is a security risk. Crack the user = crack the box.

[fadhilmarus]

damn i'm curious... :confused:
since i might use ati radeon PCIe soon... :rolleyes:
hope the final FC4 fix this problem :confused: :confused: :confused:

[k4dgw]

People have gotten it running, I just haven't sorted out how. But I have yet to see anyone do an install with it. Just do a search for x700. Lots of stuff, not too many replies. I think it is just a matter of getting in touch with the experienced folks. Many users (such as myself before this upgrade) tend to have older hardware and it works fine. The newer stuff tends to be trickier. I have seen people who have been in these forums running it, and it is being run in other distributions, Unbuntu and Gentoo, and Debian. So it is just a matter of finding the right settings and then sharing that information with others.

[krazeivan]

The ATI xblah series of cards are not compat with the generic ati or radeon drivers in X The two ways of getting them running are 1) use vesa 2) d/l the pro. drivers from ATI. I know it sucks but it is up to ATI to release the specs so the developers can have something to work with instead of reverseE. the whole thing.

[k4dgw]

That's fine. I am willing to have 2d for now and I'll sort out the 3d later on. But FC4 loaded the vesa drivers and I ended up with a blank screen. Not really picky at this point. Just trying to get the pig running.

[wirjo]

How easy would it be to upgrade from FC Test 3 to FC 4 Final? I want to try out Fedora, I'm not sure whether I should wait or start installing FC Test 3 now.

[Ned]

How easy would it be to upgrade from FC Test 3 to FC 4 Final? I want to try out Fedora, I'm not sure whether I should wait or start installing FC Test 3 now.

Final is due out on Monday. Wait until then.

You will be able to perform an upgrade from test3 to final, but it's always considered best to perform a fresh install, especially if it's only a matter of a few days :)

Ned

[k4dgw]

The new ATI drivers talked about in this tread

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27

resolved the x700 issue for me. After the FC4 settles down, I will give it a shot. I am currently on FC3, I will give FC4_64 a try. Take care.