View Full Version : If i Get Fedora 4 Test 2 or 3... what happens next when the Stable version come??
20th May 2005, 12:31 AM
Please tell me... if i download and install Fedora 4 test 1,2 or 3. when the final version is ready i should have by using UP2Date or even apt-get dist-upgrade (with the correct sources.list ) or i will have to download another DVD with the final Version of FC4?????/
20th May 2005, 03:40 AM
You have to download the new one. Support for tests automatically stop when the stable is out
20th May 2005, 10:46 AM
Or you could try to update by change the repo in your /etc/yum.conf. But it is best to install cleanly with the new iso's.
22nd May 2005, 03:54 AM
You'd need to download FC4 Final, but you should just be able to select an option during installation thats something along the lines of "Upgrade My Current Installation".
Honestly, I've never updated, I always remove my previous installation and start from scratch. Perosnally, I'd just upgrade whatever necessary components I needed to when FC4 final was released.
26th May 2005, 04:03 PM
Doing a complete reinstall doesn't make sense if the development teams have maintained at least a minimum amount of communication. FC4 should really be more of a checkpoint in a continuing process rather than a completely new distro. This would imply that:
1. Users have maintained their systems using up2date.
2. Once FC4 has reached final release status, all fresh installs/changes should be done with FC4 disks only.
3. Once FC4 has reached final release, up2date should have an option to access FC4 upgrades.
For instance, if you look into the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file used by up2date in FC3 you will find these lines:
yum fedora-core-3 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/$ARCH/os/
yum updates-released-fc3 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/$ARCH/
yum-mirror fedora-core-3 http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3
yum-mirror updates-released-fc3 http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3
Assuming continuity, one should be able to change references from 3 to 4 and begin applying FC4 updates to a current FC3 system. The question is, "Would this work, and which other configuration files would have to be edited to avoid problems?"
31st May 2005, 12:26 AM
I am curious concerning this also. Two decades and 8 OS families in my background has taught me to keep the data seperate and to do a new install from a fdisk'd / formated drive.
If any OS is capable of upgrading CORRECTLY, I would suspect that Linux could handle it. But, I am of the old school... I prefer to build from scratch as the home partition has its own isolated drive....
31st May 2005, 01:31 PM
The /boot partition is isolated, the rest is under /.
My point was that Fedora is essentially a huge R&D project, and that each major release should be a Checkpoint rather than a new distro. So that, assuming you are up 2 date, it's better to update from the most recent disks, but unnecessary if up2date/yum can be rehomed to point at the current repository. We probably have similar experiences, and based on that, we know that the simpler something is to use the more people will want to use it. Thus the success of Microsoft with the typical user. If you don't believe that last statement, try adding high-speed wireless to your Linux box. :confused:
31st May 2005, 02:00 PM
Actually, wireless here was a two hour "What in the hell..." for us, Didn't get that one at all, but in any case it has been flawless since. Should have been much easier, as should the 3d graphics drivers. One of the biggest strenghts of Linux is that it builds on the previous respective technologies. Based on that you would think that we could easily slide from one core to the next,
31st May 2005, 03:08 PM
Guess the wireless thing comes from working on it at the time. Am trying to avoid the ndiswrapper or Linuxant route ( once again MS simplicityand clout) and add 54M wireless to an existing bridge using native Linux drivers. If you combine the nearly total lack of Linux driver support from vendors with their tendency to migrate to different chipsets without changing model numbers on their parts, it becomes difficult to make a "standard" install document. A How-To has to be for a specific chipset, for a specific wireless card, for a specific card vendor, for a specific version of SourceForge projects, for a specific distro of Linux. A TAD more difficult that running install.exe from a command prompt, but potentially more satisfying when you get something to work that nobody else has tried.
Microsoft may have code-bloat (but it's getting better), and security issues (maybe it's getting better), but Linux enthusiasts have Doc-Bloat (including massive unreferenced plagiarism), but only if someone is willing to write it up and publish on the Internet.
I still use Microsoft, and probably always will for many things, but it's great that we have places like this, run on Linux, where we can share ideas and techniques. :D
31st May 2005, 04:46 PM
Argh.... so not recommended to just upgrade? Should download everything and start from scratch?
31st May 2005, 05:37 PM
I am going to upgrade to full release because I have to! And the reason why is frustrating ... here is what happened:
1. I install FC3 over my Arch Linux installation because I want to go to Fedora installing my apps.
2. the HD (Hard Drive) started to make grinding noises so I decided to get a new one from Gateway. The new HD came and in which point I install WinXP (for gaming) and Fedora Core 3 (for general use) including the applications and games I like to play.
3. I notice performance issues with the new HD and decide to investigate and find that they shippied a 4200 RPM HD instead of a 5400 RPM HD. So now I am waiting for new HD where I will have to re-install BOTH WIndows XP and FC3.
4. This comes ONLY A WEEK before the FC4 release ... where I will have to yet again, do an installation of FC4 this time because I do not trust the CD upgrades after a bad experience.
sooo .. this will be 4!!!! full installations of Fedora Core within 2 weeks! lol I hope it is worth it though. It is supposed to be released on the 6th of June, on the same day as Debian FINALLY releases their distro. Lets hope that FC4 does not get pushed back.
31st May 2005, 06:41 PM
Need2mod- I don't know:( Once FC4 is officially released I'm going to run an up2date on one of my FC3 boxes, then diddle a bit with the file that I mentioned above to see what happens in up2date if I change all the FC3 references to FC4.
Note: Any system on which I would try this has the drive imaged already, so I can rebuild from scratch in 15-20 minutes if things get really borked.
4th June 2005, 07:13 AM
I've successfully upgraded a dozen machine from FC1 -> FC2 -> FC3 using yum (RH9 -> FC1 wasn't all that pretty).
Essentially, all you have to do is manually download and upgrade the fedora-release and yum rpms, then do a 'yum upgrade'.
I plan to upgrade to FC4 the same way.
Your mileage may vary.
4th June 2005, 11:16 PM
Upgrading with yum technically works but isn't recommended (by the author) because of things like changes to directory layout and SELinux policy between OS versions which yum can't manage itself, since it just upgrades packages. Running the "upgrade" option in the installer is really the recommended way to move up.
I've seen docs on the Web that take you through yum upgrades and fixing up the little stuff afterward - the most important is probably to run "fixfiles relabel" as root to make sure that the SELinux file attributes are OK.
5th June 2005, 02:12 AM
With FC4 so close to being released, I'd just wait and get that version. I will be there on that day to fight with you all for download bandwidth!!!
5th June 2005, 03:28 PM
I was wondering if there will be a test 4 FC4? Would bug fixes after test 3 make it into FC4 Final? Any inside info on this?
5th June 2005, 04:29 PM
There is no test 4.
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