why so big...

[Christian Charette]

Hello

I know that disk space is cheap but why is a minimal RH or Fedora so big??
The more stuff is put in there the more i have to maintain and update.

this was taking form the fedora project:

[Christian Charette]

here is the rest of my message:
Hard Disk Space (NOTE: Additional space will be required for user data):

a.. Custom Installation (Minimal): 510MB

b.. Server: 920MB

c.. Personal Desktop: 2.1GB

d.. Workstation: 2.6GB

e.. Custom Installation (Everything): 5.8GB

[Paul Lutus]

Christian Charette wrote:

> Hello
>
> I know that disk space is cheap but why is a minimal RH or Fedora so big??

Because of all the neat stuff? You know, an absolutely minimal Linux can fit
on a floppy, but you can't do much with it.

It is entirely about what features you want.

> The more stuff is put in there the more i have to maintain and update.

So get rid of your computer and buy an abacus. Think how simple your life
will be.

--
Paul Lutus
http://www.arachnoid.com

[Lenard]

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:59:24 -0300, Christian Charette typed:

> Hello
>
> I know that disk space is cheap but why is a minimal RH or Fedora so
> big?? The more stuff is put in there the more i have to maintain and
> update.
>
> this was taking form the fedora project:


Unlike the Windows world, you get plenty of additional software
applications already included;

Multiple email clients, Multiple word/office applications, Multiple Web
Browsers, CD/DVD Burning software(with multiple front ends), Build in
firewall and anti-virus protection, Multiple Desktop Mangers(not just a
different look of the same one), SQL server/database, email/ftp/Web
Servers and lots more......See the total package list here;

http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/technical/packages.html

Compared to the Windows world equivalents (roughly); Windows 2000 Server,
Office 2002, Roxio's CD/DVD Creator 6, IIS Server, Microsoft's SQL-2000
server, Microsoft's Visual C++ and McAfee's Internet Security Suite. Try
installing the just them and see how much room is taken up on the hard
drive.


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[Christian]

> Unlike the Windows world, you get plenty of additional software
> applications already included;
>
> Multiple email clients, Multiple word/office applications, Multiple Web
> Browsers, CD/DVD Burning software(with multiple front ends), Build in
> firewall and anti-virus protection, Multiple Desktop Mangers(not just a
> different look of the same one), SQL server/database, email/ftp/Web
> Servers and lots more......See the total package list here;
>
> http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/technical/packages.html
>
> Compared to the Windows world equivalents (roughly); Windows 2000 Server,
> Office 2002, Roxio's CD/DVD Creator 6, IIS Server, Microsoft's SQL-2000
> server, Microsoft's Visual C++ and McAfee's Internet Security Suite. Try
> installing the just them and see how much room is taken up on the hard
> drive.

Yes i know all of this but on a mandarke system I can select these and get a
install of about 600MB, if i try to do the same on RedHat I get to some
thing of about 950MB (RH get into dependency hell and adds a tone of other
app)

locales-en
msec
vim-enhanced
XFree86
mandrake_desk
urw-fonts
eject
gnupg
hotplug
wget
urpmi
XFree86-75dpi-fonts
mdkkdm
kdebase
procmail
gcc
indexhtml
kdenetwork
man
openssh-clients
rxvt
XFree86-server
gcc-c++
menudrake
mkisofs
userdrake
libpng3-devel
at
aumix
cdrecord
coreutils-doc
devfsd
dhcp-client
drakconf
gurpmi
harddrake
hdparm
info
kde-i18n-en_GB
ldetect
numlock
rpmdrake
samba-client
strace
sudo
tmdns
tmpwatch
zcip
samba-server
kdeutils
bison
flex
fonts-ttf-decoratives
fonts-ttf-west_european
gftp
gtk-engines
kdeadmin
man-pages

--
Christian

[mamakin1976]

Christian wrote:
<SNIP>
> Yes i know all of this but on a mandarke system I can select these and get a
> install of about 600MB, if i try to do the same on RedHat I get to some
> thing of about 950MB (RH get into dependency hell and adds a tone of other
> app)
<SNIP>

RH includes many 'hidden' sets of packages. To remove these, just edit
RedHat/base/comps.xml, but make sure you don't break dependencies. Obviously
you'll be doing a network install, 'cause you can't edit that file if it is on a
CD...

Have fun!

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