No longer making posts

[greatscot]

Due to having one of my tutorials attacked by a moderator with a bad attitude (for the second time), I will no longer be making any posts in FedoraForum. It's sad because I feel I had a lot of good things to contribute.

[pking]

if this is true...then this is sad indeed...

Peace! :(

pking...2005

[SlowJet]

You will be missed, GS. :)
I can tell you are a good heart and gentle soul.
I wouldn't let these egotistical selfrightous immature dweebs run you off.
Who freakin' cares what they think. :)

Come around and say your happy stuff anytime.

SJ

[cardinal II]

greatscot, the more knowledgeable minds we have here the better. Please reconsider. Don't take it so personally. I've seen some of your posts and think you are an important contributor. Please give the forum one more chance :)

[blammo]

My God man, snap out of it! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? I don't think so. You say you have a lot to contribute? Well lets get on with it! We ain't here for glory... we're here because we need free technical support! Don't be a moon-calf. Don't be a jabber-noun. Don't be a luddy-duddy. You're not any of those, are you?

[macemoneta]

Observing (and even receiving one of) the attacks that greatscot is referring to and seeing the message threads deleted to obscure the behavior, I concur with this action.

I attempted to contact the webmaster today regarding the situation, but received no response. I consider the behavior unacceptable, and contrary to the community spirit.

I will also be withdrawing from this forum.

[crackers]

Sorry you seem to feel that those were "attacks," but having read and worked with a lot of people who did not learn English as their native tongue, I can assure you they're not attacks. Y'all are reading something into those posts that were simply not there.

[Simian]

I've only just joined this forum and everyone is leaving? Timing is everything!

[macemoneta]

crackers - Then why delete the threads - like the one that used to be here, "Protecting the root user" (http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45632) (if I remember the title correctly)? The information posted by the community manager was incorrect, but before I could comment to explain why, the entire thread (including the excellent tutorial) was deleted.

[crackers]

Ask greatscot - he deleted the thread, not one of the moderators.

[greatscot]

The tutorial I posted was a group effort between several people who have been using *NIX since before Linux was released - they're good, knowledgable people. I posted that tutorial in good faith hoping it would help folks. Then, a community manager replied to it with some harsh words. I attempted to place this particular community manager on my ignore list because I felt his comments were harmful. The FedoraForum system would not allow me to place a community manager on my ignore list. This is the second time one of my tutorials was attacked by people who are supposed to be mature, knowledgable managers for this forum. I do not post tutorials without careful, extensive research into the validity of the content. I deleted the tutorial so as to not cause problems and friction here.

In the past few hours, two people (probably the moderators punishing me for complaining about their attitude) have saw fit to damage my reputation points by adding negative remarks, bringing me from a reputation of 90 down to 70. I'd like to know who those people are and have my reputation points restored - I should be at 90 and not 70. Is there a way to have my reputation restored? Think about your reputation points... would you want them restored? I have made close to 200 posts, many of them being how-to's or tutorials, and this is the first time I have ever received negative (red markers in the UserCP) marks.

I feel I have much good to contribute to FedoraForum. However, due to the actions of a couple of community managers who should not be CM's, visitors to this forum will not benefit from my experience and knowledge.

[Zigzagcom]

:) Hi,
As the old adage goes: Devide and conquer...only in this case it is from within.
I had to really sit back and think of my initial reaction, which was to withdraw as well.
Hopefully there is a lesson to be learned. We are all cogs of a larger sprocket :eek: ...

We ask questions, hopefully get good answers, write about our experiences, and as much as it is about bits and bytes, we are human. Yep, I got the blues reading this thread... :(

[imdeemvp]

I have been very busy with work and snowboarding a lot (not much time to post during these last weeks I am...you know getting busy living or getting busy dying and I chose option one) but happened? I am one of those people in the forum that is not a native english speaking person.

Sad to see you guys leave :( I personally enjoyed your linux knowledge. BTW dont get upset because your points went down...at one time or another I was at - 10 and I am still here after even being banned for a few weeks. I got frustated with a adm. and words got out of hand. Remember we live and learn so dont take so personal besides you have to remember that there is no way you will make every one happy.

[james_in_denver]

Macemoneta and greatscott, if you do decide to leave the forum, that would be unfortunate.

And yes, I did see the original thread, with screaming 24pt red characters in it, and yes, I thought that the response was innapropriate and unprofessional...

Speaking for myself (and with my own selfish reasons in mind), I would ask that you reconsider your decision to no longer post on the forum. (and my own selfish reasons are mostly that when I see either of you being last posters to a thread, I can pretty much skip over it and look at the next thread :), knowing with a great deal of confidence that the original problem has been intelligently addressed).

I did not pay attention to who posted the 24pt+ red reply to your original response. (frankly, i thought it was one of the "anti-fedora" trolls who have been camping out on the board this last week). It is sad that someone here feels as if their ego requires 24pt bold rebuttals to somebody else's solutions....

That being said, I would recommend giving it a few days. This is one of the most popular and active Linux help forums on the 'net, viewed by literally thousands of people a day, seeking help for their problems. If it were me (and admittedly, it is not) I would look at the greater good both for myself, (I learn something most times I respond to posts) but also for the community.

I would choose not to let one bad apple spoil the entire basket.

That being said, this IS an open forum, and there are differening opinions. It's a shame that somebody felt that a brightly labeled personal "flame" was appropriate. I would expect that if the "poster" in question had any integrity or social intelligence, that they would at least apologize anonymously or via a private message.

Speaking for myself: "I would gladly suffer the slings and arrows......" (see "man shakespeare")

One parting thought for my post, how you choose to handle the situation says a lot about your tenacity and sense of community.

If you guys do decide not to post here anymore, I do have one parting question.....

Just got a new laptop, a compaq presario 300, amd64, with NVidia chipset. Problem is I can't seem to get my PCMCIA wireless "g" card working.....installed ndiswrapper,, but nothing....

And when I do a "lspci -v" I don't see the wireless card or my 5 in 1 reader???

Though cardctl does show my 5 in 1 reader in slot 0, but nothing in slot 1????

(works fine under windows???)

Do either of you have any idea howto configure card services so that Linux can see my PCMCIA wireless "g" adaptor???

Thanks in advance....

James

[greatscot]

james_in_denver, that community manager was kosmosik, who was the one who posted that hurtful, huge 25 point font, in red, "flame" on my tutorial. I am glad that others feel that it was immature and unprofessional. That lets me know I was right. No, I have received no appology, and I doubt I will. Kosmosik is a community manager and is supposed to know better, or so I thought. I feel he should be relieved of his moderator position. It is people like him who are actually doing the fedoraforum more harm than good. I don't think I am the first person to turn away from fedoraforum because of bad moderators... but I'm probably the first one who has spoken up about it.

Also, no, I have never used wireless. Otherwise, I would promptly send you a personal message with some good advice and information.

[jim]

What a shame that a great poster would want to leave. I too saw the thread and thought WTF? I was going to follow the instructions thismorning BUT the thread is gone. .
BTW this is starting to be like the fedora-users list. Alot of bashing and no help. I try to help out as many people as possible. I love to teach!!! One of my passions. Any knowledge I have I love to pass on to others.

[pigpen]

crackers - Then why delete the threads - like the one that used to be here, "Protecting the root user" (http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45632) (if I remember the title correctly)? The information posted by the community manager was incorrect, but before I could comment to explain why, the entire thread (including the excellent tutorial) was deleted.The info given in that post was not incorrect. I think cosmosik's point was to emphasize the "Redhat way" to do it. And I like to do things the way the distributor wants it to be done in order to keep my system clean & healthy. As we all know, there's always a million different ways to accomplish one task. It is at least disputable if such posts should be deleted entirely. A forum is here for discussion, and according to his previous posts greatscot seems to be a valuable member.

[bob]

I'll agree with Fedorajim that we've got to stop the bashing, so I'll be as popular as a Pimple at the Prom and close the thread. I'll hope, personally, that we don't lose two people who have so much to contribute to the Forum, but everyone has to make their own decisions.

People, if you have a problem with me or anyone, please send a Private Message to that person. It would give people a chance to explain their positions and work out their differences without spreading it all over five continents.