Should XFCE be added back to Fedora Core?

[mbokil]

What do users/developers out there think? Should XFCE 4.2 be added back to Fedora Core 4?

[t3gah]

What do users/developers out there think? Should XFCE 4.2 be added back to Fedora Core 4?

They took it out? porque???

[james_in_denver]

And you are just spamming the board with this topic.....
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=47840

Like I said, if you want XFCE, just point yum to a repository that has XFCE and do a "yum install xfce*"

It's not a big deal, and it's not hard to do.

[Kenotic]

XFCE is the best desktop I have used yet. I think it should be added back.

[kosmosik]

it should be added as unsupported (if they wish not to support it).
but in my opinion removing it is stupid. XFCE has great potential for slower machines or terminals (via network).

[mbokil]

it should be added as unsupported (if they wish not to support it).
but in my opinion removing it is stupid. XFCE has great potential for slower machines or terminals (via network).

I think kosmosik speaks wisely here. I run XFCE on an older Pentium box and it brings new life to it. Is there an appeal process with Fedora to vote on a feature being added or removed? I think dropping very useful things like XFCE4.2 from the core packages is not supported by the Fedora community. In the past this was a criticism of Fedora for not being responsive or open enough to the community. Possibly the decission to drop XFCE is a symptom of this lack of real community process. Discussion?

[james_in_denver]

Like I said, there is absolutely nothing preventing anyone from downloading and installing any package they want. Including XFCE.

Just because it's not on one of the four install CD's, doesn't mean that it won't run on FC4.

And there's nothing preventing you from packaging XFCE and submitting it to a "YUM" repository somewhere so that others could download and install it.

Hmmm, that doesn't sound like a bad idea.

[Shadow Skill]

Well the point is why should someone be forced to install gnome or KDE initially if they dp npt want to, I wouldn't want to wait three hours for an install to finish [via network.] just because I wanted a lightwieght WM like xfce as opposed to my install taking fifteen minutes with xfce on the iinstallation medium.

[t3gah]

Maybe RH's next bright idea will be to loose GNOME or KDE in their next release of FC so it's popularity goes down because it, FC, is better than RHEL.

[james_in_denver]

Yes, and there are (according to the ad-hoc) poll, many more people that don't want/care about XFCE.

I'm not saying XFCE is bad, it's just that most users prefer KDE or Gnome. And why should THEY be bothered with the downloading a package on an ISO image that they will never use?

and nobody is forcing anybody to install anything they don't want. Jeez, do a text install if it bugs you that much, or just "rpm --erase --force" whatever package you don't want installed.

Or roll your own kickstart install.

[Shadow Skill]

Well if the installer actually works they won't be forced to install xfce just by it being on the cd or dvd. I don't see how having a wider initial selection is in any way a negative, maybe they could have an extra WM cd [you could easily cram them onto a DVD *hugs his sweet dvd burners. :D] that you dont have to download to complete an install and have a checkbox in the installer that will prompt you for the WM cd. I think that would make most people happy.

I prefer xfce over Gnome on my gentoo box it really flies hell even the 3.4 beta of KDE flies and its slooowww compared to xfce. :)

What about people installing Fedora for the first time would they have a kickstart file? Keep im mind that many people have somewhat slow connections so the updating process will take long enough let alone adding the time it would take to download a somewhat popular WM.

[Jman]

I suspect it XFCE will be moved to Extras. It duplicates the functionality of Gnome and KDE. As much as people like its simplicity and speed, they're trying to cut Core down to core. You can still install it, but not with the CD.

That's one disadvantage of Extras, they don't come on CDs (yet).

[Shadow Skill]

I don't see why it was taken out of the dvd iso, not that I like the rpms ever worked for me there is definetly plent of space for it in the dvd iso.

[fc_jeff]

Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but ...

Anyone know how to easily install XFCE from the FC2 CDs?

It's not listed during the Anaconda install, nor is it listed in "Add/Remove applications", nor is yum.conf configured to look at the CDs. But there are Xfce rpms on the CDS (I browsed the CDs and found the rpms).

I attempted to install using straight rpm, providing the path to a xfce rpm on one of the CDs. Of course, it came up with a bunch of unmet dependencies. So I gave up, not wanting to go through a 2 or 3 hour "dependency hell" session.

I can configure yum.conf to an "extras" repository (if Xfce is not in base). But it'd be nice to just install Xfce from CD. Any ideas? Any hints will be greatly appreciated. :)

BTW - I posted the same question as a separate thread on the "Installation" board. But it got no reponses. So I'm giving it a shot here, since a lot of people on this thread seem to really like Xfce.

Also BTW - I would think that there would be enough space to fit Xfce on a 4 CD distro. I think Xfce should be there as standard, since there are still a lot of people that have older hardware.