Announcing Fedora Core 4 test1

[ghenry]

More info:

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/32990/index.htm

Notable features of FC4test1 include:

* gcc 4.0 as the primary system compiler
* GNOME 2.10.0 Beta 2 included
* The Eclipse IDE included along with some featured plugins
* A solid foundation of Java packages for developers (ant, gcj, tomcat, struts, more classpath stuff)
* Lots of package updates
* Started movement of packages to Fedora Extras
* Did I mention PowerPC support?

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[rkl]

Just a note that if you use the download.fedora.redhat.com link to the FC4T1 ISO releases for x86, you'll end up here:

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.90/i386/iso/

Bizarrely, it *doesn't* (at the time of writing) display the DVD ISO on that page (maybe being over 2GB has something to do with it?). To get a display of it, go to the FTP listing instead:

ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/3.90/i386/iso/

I must say this is a major faux pas because everyone is linking to the http listing and not the ftp one and it certainly gives the impression that there's no DVD release of FC4T1 when there is!

Also, I strongly suspect that the DVD ISO again doesn't include source RPMs - the Fedora Core project is making a significant mistake by not at least producing a second DVD ISO for the .src.rpm files. As it stands, if I want source and binaries for FC4T1, I have to download 5 ISO images (1 DVD, 4 CD), which is pretty darned annoying. BTW, I use "lynx -source" to get DVD ISOs - avoid browsers and some FTP clients, because they often can't handle files over 2GB.

One final note - yet again, many of the mirrors didn't have copies of the FC4T1 ISOs when the official announcement appeared on the fedora.redhat.com home page. I don't believe any of the UK mirrors have FC4T1 immediately following the announcement. Not good (and there's me hoping that the last minute delay of one day to March 15 was to allow the mirrors to pick up the ISOs)...

Update 1: Decided to use BitTorrent the day after release, because the mirror situation (particularly in the UK) is still bad. BT sucked it down my work line at huge speed, so I've got the DVD burned now. Must say that having no new release notes at all (not even the bullet points that were at the start of this thread) in the FC4T1 RELEASE-NOTES-en (they're FC3 release notes with a "we don't have any FC4 release notes yet" added into it) is somewhat disappointing.

Update 2: Yep, incorrect checksum calculation on my DVD ISO (but the DVD is fine) during a media check, so I ignored that. Looks like gdm is going berserk - "gdm[3049]: Can't set EGID to user GID" (I've set SELinux Enabled, BTW) then "last message repeated 140084 times" (!!). Killing syslogd finally allowed me get a half-working X environment, but it looks like this is one mess of a test release :( I got most of the problems this guy (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-March/msg00267.html) got, including no sign of firstboot being run.

BTW, does anyone know why FC4T1 is codenamed "Rawhide" - isn't that the name of the development area for Fedora Core? Or maybe all FC test releases from now on will have the Rawhide codename to save them having to think up too many new names? :)

[obijuan]

First of all congratulations to the companies, community and hackers who make this all possible. Linux is a wonderful thing.

I'm really looking forward to Open Office 2.0 as I use Fedora as my main workstation. Looking over the Fedora page on Distrowatch, I notice that there has been no mention of the new version of Open Office. I don't know if that site just isn't tracking the public beta or not but I hope they didn't move OOO into the extras repository...

[dragoon]

BitTorrent grabbed this release so fast.

3 things to watch out for that I've noticed so far:
The mediacheck option will always fail for the DVD iso, might on the others too
GRUB always gets written across the MBR despite what you tell it
Running yum update and applying all updates will break yum due to some sqllite fun, check fedora-devel-list for details

[SlowJet]

Hey dragon (or anyone, :)

Is the disk druid present for partitioning 3.90 as a second install with it's own Boot, Root, Swap (in LVM)?

How about you? Are you running FC3 and FC4-T1 as 2 systems or just FC4-T1?

SJ

[dragoon]

FC3 + FC4t1 as /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda3 and yes, Disk Druid is there. Didn't have a problem with setting it up separate from the other Fedora install, although watch out for FC4 grub grabbing the MBR.

And evidence is good for all ISOs having bad mediacheck sums. That's going to make error reporting *really* fun.

[SlowJet]

OK, but I think Grub wouldn't do that if FC4-T1 was put in a LVM as boot,swap,root.
MBR stage 1 starts FC3 Grub, a line in there says FC4 Test(manually inserted), it goes to Gurb with vin-xxx.yyy.FC4-t1.
Youy can even have different splash screens.

I noticed the md5sum is now called SHA1SUM on my local edu mirror. Maybe that's a newer check pgm?

Thanks,
Put up a snapshort when you get a chance. ;)

SJ

[zab]

And evidence is good for all ISOs having bad mediacheck sums. That's going to make error reporting *really* fun.

Yeah that totally sucks. I submitted a report in bugzilla and wasted two dvd-r's before I figured it out.

/me was looking forward to using the native eclipse soo much!

[dragoon]

No, I think it would still overwrite the MBR. I understand what you mean, and tried to do it myself, but it still grabbed it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=151204

Yes, check it with sha1sum, part of coreutils on FC3. Snapshots are waiting on either demo vmware playing nicely or FC4 magically deciding to work with my Sata drive.

[SlowJet]

Hi dragoon, :)

Sorry to bug you again but this is important because I don't know much about this.
How did you recover from the mbr - grub override?

SJ

[dragoon]

Booted into FC4, mounted my fc3 partition, and copied over the appropriate grub lines for FC3 boot. Bang, it works.

[SlowJet]

OK, thanks, but wouldn't the chain be backwards? ;)
What happens when you blow FC4-T1 away to do T2?

I'm thinking whom ever did this should not get a raise. lol
SJ

[dragoon]

For the sake of brevity I left out the proper thing to do, and just gave how to fix it. Sheesh. Everyone's a critic. ;)

[SlowJet]

It's all between your ... I was just asking. :)

SJ

[kosmosik]

have you tried to backport the Java (eclipse) stuff to FC3?

[imdeemvp]

Question: * GNOME 2.10.0 Beta 2 includedwill the final and stable release of gnome 2.10 will be in fc4?

[pdk001]

does any guys know how to update from fc3 to fc4 test version?
i dont want to burn fc4 cd's cuz i had some of linux CD's such as hancom(2 CD's), haansoftlinux(3CD's), redhat(4CD's),
fedora 3(4CD's)

[mike]

What kernel does it use?

[pdk001]

i use 2.6.x kernel version

[Psquared]

Somebody please discuss the new features in FC4T1. How does Gnome look, what about true 3d stuff? Is the new OpenOffice an improvement? What about speed?

Inquiring minds want to know. :D

[jtang613]

It uses kernel-2.6.11. Gnome looks - same, but different. More polished. New 'Places' menu - kinda useless IMHO. gdm has a bug that causes it to spin CPU at 99%. Generally quite slow - needs a lot of work. XFS filesystem install didn't work. Anaconda installer much slower than FC3's. MDMonitor (raid detection / monitor) crapped out.

But this is to be expected - it is a TEST release - and an early one. If you want a stable operating system, install FC3. If you want to test FC4 and submit bug reports to help the development team nail down the future release, try FC4. But expect a few headaches.

Jason

[pdk001]

i really want to contain that eng-kor dictionary in next release
im trying to compile in my machine but got some error every times
http://argosdic.kldp.net/

that's why i alway staying english sites such as linuxforum.com, linuxquestions.org and here
cuz you guys all explain to me clearly

[t3gah]

They took out one window manager and then put in a BETA version of GNOME. Brilliant! Wonderful! What's next????

GNOME 2.10.0 Beta 2 included

(Yep, sign me up, I want to test this beta thing out since RH obviously doesn't have the resources to get one release out without outside help.)

[rkl]

(Yep, sign me up, I want to test this beta thing out since RH obviously doesn't have the resources to get one release out without outside help.)
Er, we're talking about Fedora Core 4 *TEST 1* here, right? You think it should only have final versions of everything and no alphas or betas? Well, don't install it then... The idea is that there'll be an FC4T2 and an FC4T3 before we eventually hit FC4 final (scheduled for 6th June, but may slip - possibly deliberately to wait for Gnome 2.10 final if that's delayed). There's a pretty good chance that Gnome 2.10 final will be out before FC4 final is, so why not use the FC4 test releases to aid in the Gnome 2.10 final bug reporting? I have no problems with that and neither should you.

I'd be more concerned about the fact that FC4T1's gdm is severely broken myself and actually has to be immediately updated to make your system usable (otherwise gdm just sucks all your CPU, which is why people are moaning it's "slow"). I really don't know how the FC developers missed this one...

[maxpower]

Er, we're talking about Fedora Core 4 *TEST 1* here, right? You think it should only have final versions of everything and no alphas or betas? Well, don't install it then... The idea is that there'll be an FC4T2 and an FC4T3 before we eventually hit FC4 final (scheduled for 6th June, but may slip - possibly deliberately to wait for Gnome 2.10 final if that's delayed). There's a pretty good chance that Gnome 2.10 final will be out before FC4 final is, so why not use the FC4 test releases to aid in the Gnome 2.10 final bug reporting? I have no problems with that and neither should you.

I'd be more concerned about the fact that FC4T1's gdm is severely broken myself and actually has to be immediately updated to make your system usable (otherwise gdm just sucks all your CPU, which is why people are moaning it's "slow"). I really don't know how the FC developers missed this one...

Um, Gnome 2.10 (http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/gnome210_press_release.html) has been out since March 9th. A variety of Gnome 2.10 packages have already hit rawhide but since FC4T1 was frozen in February, it contains a beta of Gnome 2.10. Futhermore gdm has already been fixed, you just need to do a yum update gdm.

mAx

[Shadow Skill]

does anyone hgave the gpg key for the main repository I cant update at all and my system os REEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLLYY crawling I cant even get into X to run up2date and download the key.

NVM I defeated it. :D

Apparently I did not defeat it, can I have that gpg key?

Hehe I got it I forced it to install manually but I still need a working gpgkey apparently because I did not install gnome [I went for a kde install because I don't like how nautilus tends to posses your desktop when you call it, and it bleeds too much into xfce which I will install later.]up2date wont work, and that is how I usually get the initial gpgkey. :(

[micha]

[I went for a kde install because I don't like how nautilus tends to posses your desktop when you call it, and it bleeds too much into xfce which I will install later.]If you don't want the Nautilus desktop (on Xfce for example), you have to launch nautilus with the following option :
nautilus --no-desktop

[Shadow Skill]

I know I just always forget to add that to the nautilus call. :) I probably should read up on how to edit my bash profile so nautilus always calls nautilus --no-desktop. I still need that gpgkey I of course borked my first install when I tried to get cute and squeeze Kubuntu [the kde variant of Ubuntu] on a small 3gb partition. Lets just say it did not go so well. :)

[tchung]

About Fedora Core 4 Test 1

http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=502

Here are some basic information about Fedora Core 4 Test 1 x86 (3.90) including ‘Complete List of RPM Packages’, ‘Complete List of Raw Information’ and some 'Screenshots'

Thomas Chung

[LinuxHippy]

Which window managers does it come with? I have a slow pc and use Fluxbox, though KDE and GNOME work but take longer to load.

Oh, and what's the minimum disk size I would need?

[tchung]

Which window managers does it come with? I have a slow pc and use Fluxbox, though KDE and GNOME work but take longer to load.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager

Popular window managers for X

* AfterStep --> No
* Blackbox --> No
* Enlightenment --> No
* Fluxbox --> No
* FVWM (a virtual window manager, derived from twm) --> No
* IceWM --> No
* Kwin (default window manager for KDE) --> Yes
* Metacity (default window manager for GNOME version 2) --> Yes
* MWM (Motif Window Manager) --> No
* Sawfish (originally called Sawmill) --> No
* twm (Tab Window Manager) --> Yes
* Window Maker -->No

Thomas Chung

[LinuxHippy]

If I do the minimum install with KDE as my only desktop, how much space on my harddrive would I need?

[tchung]

Oh, and what's the minimum disk size I would need?

From: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraDocs_2fRelNotes_2fCore4Test1RelNotes

* Custom Installation (Minimal): 620MB
* Server: 1.1GB
* Personal Desktop: 2.3GB
* Workstation: 3.0GB
* Custom Installation (Everything): 6.9GB

Thomas Chung

[Shadow Skill]

Before I go about filing a bug report I would like to know if anyone else has experienced kernel panics with the test release with reiser partitions? I think when I tried to create a reiser partition for Kubuntu it did bad things to fc4, even after deleted the fc4 partitions and reinstalled 6 times I got kernel panics or general refusal to boot properly. But I am not sure if it was just my bootloader configuration and need some confirmation on my suspicion about the reiserfs.

[LinuxHippy]

I'm wondering about how to restore my FC3 Grub boot. Can the FC3 partition be mounted and then would grub-install hda or grub-install hda1 restore my FC3 boot menu?

[jtang613]

Use the FC3 install disk. Type 'linux rescue' at the boot. Then, follow the prompts, chroot to your FC3 root, re-install grub.

hth,
Jason

[LinuxHippy]

Do the developers of FC4-Test 1 want feedback? If so, is there a link?

[tchung]

Do the developers of FC4-Test 1 want feedback? If so, is there a link?

Yes, please note this is not a support list only a development discussion list.
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

If you need a support on your test release, please use following list.
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list

Thomas Chung

[LinuxHippy]

great-thanks!

[glowinthedark]

Can someone tell me what respository I can go to so that I have the "bleeding edge" RPMS for FC4 ?