NeroLINUX CD/DVD Burning software announced

[Bob D.]

From the announcement:

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Linux OS Solution for CD/DVD Burning

Register your Nero 6 Reloaded Version Today and get NeroLINUX for FREE!.
What is NeroLINUX?

NeroLINUX is a comprehensive, yet flexible application provided you have some prior knowledge of CD/DVD technologies. Here's some additional information assist you:

* NeroLINUX uses NeroAPI for low-level operations (burn process)



* Autodetection and support for all types of internal CD and DVD recorders supported by NeroAPI 6.6
* Autodetection and support for all types of external CD and DVD recorders connected to the USB port and supported by
NeroAPI 6.6
* Kernel optimizations
* Ultra Buffer support

* Supports hot plug for external USB devices, without any application restart
* Stores and reloads compilations in XML format
* Fully compatible with FreeDB, to automatically get disc information over the Internet
* Supports the new 2.6 IDE driver interface (non SCSI emulation)
* Audio encoding and decoding done on the fly, using external utilities (mpg123, ogg123)
* Supports 2.4 and 2.6 kernel flavors
* Provided as RPM or Debian package for easy installation


Functionalities

* NeroLINUX is able to burn the following formats



* Data CDs/DVDs (ISO9660, UDF and UDF/ISO9660 Bridge)
* Bootable CDs/DVDs using the El-Torito standard
* Audio CDs (CD TEXT Infos can be added)
* Mix Mode CDs
* Enhanced CDs (CD EXTRA)
* CD and DVD Images (ISO, NRG and Cue Sheets)
* Ability to burn Multisession CD/DVD
* Double Layer DVDs

* Copy CD or DVD as under Windows
* Image Recorder is available
* Digital Audio Extraction for audio tracks

To get an overview, please check the NeroLINUX gallery..
Supported platforms (32-bit):

* Red Hat Linux 7.2
* Red Hat Linux 7.3
* Red Hat Linux 8.0
* Red Hat Linux 9
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3
* Fedora Core 1
* Fedora Core 2
* Fedora Core 3
* SuSE Linux 8.0
* SuSE Linux 8.1
* SuSE Linux 8.2
* SuSE Linux 9.0
* SuSE Linux 9.1
* SuSE Linux 9.2
* Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (with kernel 2.4 or higher)

Important note: Nero does not provide Technical Support for NeroLINUX.

NeroLINUX is FREE of charge if you register:

* A Full Version of Nero Software Version 6 or higher
* Retail Version or Downloaded Version

Please note: This offer is not for OEM or Demo version users.
OEM users can Upgrade Now for a special discount offer.

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So, if you have purchased a full retail version of Nero 6, you can download for free. Looks nice, pity it isn't GPL'ed, but that would be expecting a lot from Nero. :D

Link to announcement: http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html

Screenshots: http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX_Gallery.html

Bob

[desipher]

dunno if I'm willing to pay for software on linux. What happen to open source and free!!!

[greatscot]

Thanks for the information and URL's!

[crackers]

I am willing to pay for software that works on Linux. That only makes the entire stack look "better" to the world at large, if there are people that can supply quality products at reasonable prices. The whole thing is about having a lot of choice in what software you want to use. In this case, if I did a lot of burning, I'd be considering this real hard. I don't, though, so k3b is more than sufficient for my needs. That's my choice.

Heck, I might buy it anyway, just in case, y'know... ;)

[SuperNu]

This is quite unexpected. I feel that Nero is one of the best cd burning apps on Windows. I still love k3b for cd burning, but if NeroLinux has the advanced dvd authoring as in the Windows version and I ever purchase a dvd burner, I might have to purchase Nero as well.

Bob D. thanks for the links and info.

--SN

[sailor]

This is what I want to see...it is a important step to have retailers make linux softwares...if game makers would start doing this think of how many more folks might use linux....

[imdeemvp]

K3b is also my choice but can you say it now has some serious competition. I prefer NERO over Roxio on any given day. I am also happy Nero has joint the linux community and I hope they keep it up too.

[ltam]

For the little burning that I do, K3B is all I need. Perhaps, this would energize the linux community to advance K3B further.

[jtang613]

I do a lot of burning CDs and DVDs (data/audio/video) - and I will still continue to use K3B. I author my DVDs with qDVDauthor.

Why would I pay significantly more money for a product only marginally better. For $60 - $80US it's just not worth it. I make it a point to use Free Software instead -- support the community.

[BoHu]

SWEEEEEEEET !!!!! I happen to HAVE Nero 6 and it was the only thing preventing me from dumping Windows and going to Linux full time :-)

WooHooo!!!!

[Hrothgar]

Just downloaded my copy as well. I had N6 for the XP, but now is even more reason to stay on the Linux side.

[jtang613]

I noticed something funny from hrothgar's screenshot. "Parts of the GUI borrowed from GnomeToaster..." in the Nero splash screen. To see just how funny it is, check out the GnomeToaster screen shots:
http://gnometoaster.rulez.org/whatis.html#screenshots

and compare them to NeroLinux:
http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX_Gallery.html

[desipher]

Does that version for linux have built in dvd shrink like the windows version?

[ilja]

For all owners of Nero 6 there is Nero for Linux released.
http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
Fedora is mentioned as supported OS.
The Linux "add-on" is free as beer for holders of Nero 6, but is not free as speech (close sourced)

[Woad_Warrior]

well, it's nice to see another vendor supporting the platform. (although i'll stick to using k3b)

[sej7278]

looks interesting, but being closed source and requiring you to register to download it, i think i'll stick to k3b, which really does everything you need.

if the whole nero suite (recode, vision express etc.) was ported, then i would be interested, but if it's just burning rom.....

[sej7278]

Does that version for linux have built in dvd shrink like the windows version?

i doubt it has nero recode2 (aka dvd shrink without the decss) i think it's just nero burning rom.

from the look of the screenshots it's a gnometoaster ripoff, of course it's closed source, so we can't tell....

[Shadow Skill]

Well I would be more enthused if Nero was not the only Burning software to ever fail while finalizing a dvd. As soon as that haappened I evicted Nero from my machine for all time. I prefer the Nero interface though much clearer than K3b. Might be nice if I decide to dump kde again to keep those Libraries off my systems.

[jtang613]

i doubt it has nero recode2 (aka dvd shrink without the decss) i think it's just nero burning rom.

from the look of the screenshots it's a gnometoaster ripoff, of course it's closed source, so we can't tell....

Actually, we can tell - It says so right in the Nero splash that it uses GnomeToaster gui code. So really, it is the Nero burning API wrapped in GnomeToaster. Really no better than GnomeToaster + cdrecord.

That's $60 well spent!

[ilja]

I have merged two of the threads into one and moved to news.

[Sunnz]

So what is OEM???? Does that mean it comes with the computer? It would be cool if people start selling computer with OEM Linux with OEM NeroLinux.

[pusle]

I noticed something funny from hrothgar's screenshot. "Parts of the GUI borrowed from GnomeToaster..." in the Nero splash screen. To see just how funny it is, check out the GnomeToaster screen shots:
http://gnometoaster.rulez.org/whatis.html#screenshots

and compare them to NeroLinux:
http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX_Gallery.html

Dude, the resemblance is quite striking :)

[jtang613]

I certainly hope Nero is paying royalties to Andreas Eckleder (gnometoaster creator) for all his hard work. Hey wait a minute - gnometoaster was released under GPL. And now it serves as the frontend of a commercial product? Does this sound wrong to anyone else?

[ilja]

Hey wait a moment, Nero has a whole army of lawers and Andreas Eckleder? Does this sound wrong to anyone else?

[aeckleder]

Hello,

as some people seem to be getting quite curious this is the story:
Nero has licensed (parts of) GnomeToaster's GUI code. GnomeToaster itself
is and will always be available under the GPL but this doesn't mean
the code cannot be licensed commercially.
In terms of usability and recorder support, many users may find NeroLINUX to
be a good alternative to the open source infrastructure that has been previously
available.


Hey wait a moment, Nero has a whole army of lawers and Andreas Eckleder? Does this sound wrong to anyone else?

[ilja]

Nero has licensed (parts of) GnomeToaster's GUI code. GnomeToaster itself
is and will always be available under the GPL but this doesn't mean
the code cannot be licensed commercially.
.
Sure it does. There were quite a few cases, where Router software had to be completely released under GPL, just because parts of iptables where used.

[aeckleder]

Companies like Trolltech would be in major trouble if this was the case.
http://www.trolltech.com/developer/faqs/duallicense.html#q11


Sure it does. There were quite a few cases, where Router software had to be completely released under GPL, just because parts of iptables where used.

[ilja]

IAMNAL, but I understand this the way that
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.

b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.

that you have to release it under the GPL. But I might be very wrong ;)

[aeckleder]

Nero AG did *not* license the GnomeToaster GUI code under the terms of the GPL. I issued a commercial license to Nero AG that doesn't imply forcing them to release the sources.
The author of a piece of software or other IP work can always choose to issue different kinds of licenses to different people. While the GPL option is available to anyone by just downloading the software Nero AG chose to get a license allowing them to add their closed source recorder drivers and other functionality. Again, please read the link in my previous posting. It's quite analogous to what Trolltech has been quite successful at doing for a while: if you choose to license QT under the GPL you must release your sources but this doesn't mean you cannot commercially license QT in order to develop closed source software for which there are numerous examples (e.g. http://www.mainconcept.de)



IAMNAL, but I understand this the way that


that you have to release it under the GPL. But I might be very wrong ;)

[ilja]

Thanx for the enlightement :)

[jtang613]

... and congrats on getting your software licensed by Nero (It's actually a pretty big accomplishment).

But I still like K3B more. :p

[Shadow Skill]

In all honesty I would say that Gnome toaster looks like the older versions of Nero not the otherway around. K3b is nice works well for what I need at the moment but could use a much better interface, and some more readily apparent advanced features. Does gnometoaster support verifying written data? Gnome toaster looks nice and all but without dvd recording facilities its a bit useless to me :(

[aeckleder]

NeroLINUX *does* support DVD recording on all DVD recorders supported by the windows version of Nero. Using the NeroAPI CD/DVD burning engine it even supports dual layer recording and more. Verification is also supported.
GnomeToaster currently supports CD recording only and doesn't support verification. Although this may change in the future NeroLINUX is a real step forward compared to what GnomeToaster is. Some features are so much easier to implement using a shared library instead of a bunch of commandline programs.

In all honesty I would say that Gnome toaster looks like the older versions of Nero not the otherway around. K3b is nice works well for what I need at the moment but could use a much better interface, and some more readily apparent advanced features. Does gnometoaster support verifying written data? Gnome toaster looks nice and all but without dvd recording facilities its a bit useless to me :(

[4ebees]

Have I got this right?

You have to buy the Winders version of Nero, and register it, to then get a free copy of the Linux version?

So, you either want to be dual booting, or have two separate machines (or be swapping HDD)??

Is that right?

You can't get a copy if all you are running is Linux?

[aeckleder]

Well technically you could buy the Windows version without actually using it ;-)
Note that there will be a special upgrade program for Nero OEM users (quite a lot
of CD/DVD recorders come with an OEM version of Nero so all those will be entitled for
the special upgrade program).

[Lenard]

So all in all .... a new form of the old Microsoft tax??? Buy something that is usless (Nero for Windows) in order to get something that is 'Free'. I don't think so, first NeroLinux not free-- the cost to you is the purchase of Nero for Windows. I do not want to purchase the Windows version, I have no need or want for it. Nero can and should sell a version of NeroLinux (nothing wrong with that), just do so and not force the purchase of one product in order to get the other.

[jtang613]

NeroLINUX *does* support DVD recording on all DVD recorders supported by the windows version of Nero. Using the NeroAPI CD/DVD burning engine it even supports dual layer recording and more. Verification is also supported.
Just to clarify - It's not the software that supports dual-layer as much as it is the drive. Any burning app that supports overburning can do this, provided the drive is DL capable. I've used both K3B and XCDROAST to burn dual-layer DVDs very easily.

m2c,
Jason

[4ebees]

A couple of things:

I've just written to Nero saying congrats for what they've done, however they ought to speak to the community:

"...for those people who only use Linux, you have missed the market: they can't buy what they may want, because you aren't selling it, and they aren't going to be able to get what you want to give away because they aren't using the OS you want to sell them a copy for first".

Obviously I think they ought just to make it free (as possible :))

Also, Jtang613, I'm not clear what you mean by 'overburn'? My drive has the capacity to burn dual layer - how is this achieved in K3B?? (thanks for any information/advice/direction)

[jtang613]

Also, Jtang613, I'm not clear what you mean by 'overburn'? My drive has the capacity to burn dual layer - how is this achieved in K3B?? (thanks for any information/advice/direction)
It allows burning beyond the standard value returned by the drive for a given media. This would cause problems in most cases - except when you have an 8.5GB DVD-DL instead of a 4.7GB DVD.

In the "Menu->Settings->Configure K3B", Writing Options, Advanced Tab. Turn on overburning.

[4ebees]

Thanks enormously for that.

[DaBlade]

I prefer K3b. I don't like proprietary software, and I don't like having to register anything to get a download.

[oUch]

Nero has always been a great app, and it is great to see applications being developed for Linux. Regardless of the cost associated, Linux is all about choice, and here is another choice. Great to see it happening, and lets hope more is to come :)

[packrat4]

I've tried writing CD-R's with Nero Linux on two drives under FC2 on one PC and a drive under RH9 on another PC. In all cases Nero reports verify errors. I don't get any errors with K3b (on FC2) or gToaster (on RH9). I tried writing both as a normal user and as root. The drives are three different Plextor models.

Has anyone had a better experience with this software?

[egr]

Yes, I've tried NeroLinux with FC3, burned one cd on x48 everything went fine,

[soka]

Burned some dvds today ... np at all.

[packrat4]

Thanks for the response.

That's really weird. The CD writing appeared to go smoothly until it came to the verify stage, when the reports of error sectors appeared.

I might have expected a problem with one or the other Linux version, or one or two of the drives, but not all of them. Maybe Nero just doesn't like Plextor.

Well, back to K3b and gToaster.

[Avix]

SWEEEEEEEET !!!!! I happen to HAVE Nero 6 and it was the only thing preventing me from dumping Windows and going to Linux full time :-)

WooHooo!!!!

I just got 6.6 myself, that was one of only 2 'doz apps that make me keep it around, excuse me while I head on over to Nero..

now if someone would just port Geocaching software over....

[Avix]

burned all my backups to CD using it. no problems what so ever. now I have a copy on my W2K side and a copy on my Fedora side. no need to reboot out of fedora to w2k to do CD backups, but if I were Nero I would make it so you could buy just the Linux version. but the serial number I paid for for W2K is what worked on NeroLinux. and if there is more interest, and more people use it, then more companies would do it. I would love to see the whole Nero 6 suite avalable to Linux.

[Shadow Skill]

I was talking about gnome toaster itself not Nero Linux, although I did not realize it did support dvd burning, still won't ever use it again.

[ghenry]

This looks interesting:

http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=21907
http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html

QUOTE
The programme is free for Nero 6 full version users.

The software supports burning data and disk images to CDs, DVDs, bootable disks, audio CDs with CD text, mixed mode CDs, CD Extra, multisession CD/DVDs and double layer DVDs, said Nero.

It's provided as a standard Linux package in RPM or DEB and the 32 bit OSes include RH 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, 9.0 and Enterprise Linux 3.0, SuSE 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1 and 9.2, as well as Debian 3.0 and Future 3.1.
--end quote--

I don't think it will beat K3B though.

[desipher]

Might want also check out this article on slahdot yesterday. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/16/0026217&tid=185&tid=198&tid=106

[jtang613]

This has already been announced in FedoraForum - and debated to death.
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=46893

Highlights of the discussions were:
- Must have Nero 6 (Windows) license to download / use NeroLinux
- Nice to see more Linux support from software vendors
- GUI code "licensed" from GnomeToaster
- Fans of Nero seem to think it's great despite the $70 price tag.
- K3B is still better
- K3B is still better
- K3B is still better AND ITS FREE.

m2c,
Jason

[sailor]

neroLINUX is not yet even close to K3B...it needs a bit of work
It is still the best burning app for windows ( I use it myself).

[pdk001]

how can i download nero free? is there pay to download it?

[GrahamB]

Hi !

You won't get nero free! Oh, maybe you could . . . . . !

Anyway, here's the link for KB3: http://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandrake/10.1/x86_64/media/main/k3b-0.11.16-3mdk.x86_64.html

Happy burning,

[imdeemvp]

Well for windoz my choice is nero :D

[ilja]

merged into one thread

[Bob D.]

From the NeroLINUX page:

"Important note: Technical support for NeroLINUX will be provided by CDFreaks's Linux forum. Please click on the link: http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104"

Didn't take long for the "no support" position to change. And judging by some of the posts (user "mathf") it looks like Nero has its own tech support people working the forum.

Bob

[cnarramoore]

Nero Linux is free, its the windows version that costs money. I personally think it is a good thing. Big chuck of people use windows and linux for whatever reason. Mine is mostly school and windows programming. Being still new to Linux there is a lot I dont understand and I could never get CDRoast to work anyways.

NeroLinux is one of those applications that make you go Yeah!! Now we're cooking.
I love it.

[jtang613]

Nero Linux is free, its the windows version that costs money. I personally think it is a good thing. Big chuck of people use windows and linux for whatever reason. Mine is mostly school and windows programming. Being still new to Linux there is a lot I dont understand and I could never get CDRoast to work anyways.

NeroLinux is one of those applications that make you go Yeah!! Now we're cooking.
I love it.
Yes, but in order to get Nero Linux for "free" you MUST purchase a copy of Nero for Windows - which costs ~$70US. So the term "free" in this context is pure marketting hype used to attract the less informed. If it were truly free software, there would be a downloadable binary or source, with no adware, spyware or beg.

If you want a truly free CD Burning application - made by Linux users, for Linux users - you'll want to examine K3B, and to a lesser extent xcdroast.

m2c,
Jason

[N3LDAN]

In the "Menu->Settings->Configure K3B", Writing Options, Advanced Tab. Turn on overburning.


Thanks man! I've been trying to figure out how to write DL DVD-R's on my burner for a while now!

[amyh]

I'm still having problems burning a dual layer even after enabling overburn...I've got s/w 11.14 - any ideas?!?!

thanks.

[jtang613]

In order to burn a dual-layer disk, you need a dual-layer burner AND dual-layer-media.

What 'problems' are you having? What version of Fedora? What version of K3B? Is your system fully updated? What make / model of burner? What make / model of dvd media?

Jason

[amyh]

I have both dual - media and burner...

Fedora core 2. k3b 11.14. Sony 720A. Memorex double layer dvd+r (2.4x)

When I select the overburn option and start the burn process, it continues until it gets about half way and then the drive ejects the dvd.

Here is the error log:
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System
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K3b Version:0.11.14
KDE Version: 3.2.2-14.FC2 Red Hat
QT Version: 3.3.2

growisofs
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INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings.
Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem,
use -input-charset to override.
/dev/hdc: splitting layers at 1746240 blocks
/dev/hdc: "Current Write Speed" is 2.5x1385KBps.
0.01% done, estimate finish Sun Jul 3 01:55:03 2005

...

49.06% done, estimate finish Wed Jun 29 10:09:57 2005
49.08% done, estimate finish Wed Jun 29 10:09:56 2005
:-[ WRITE@LBA=1a28c0h failed with SK=3h/ASC=0Ch/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error
:-( write failed: Input/output error

growisofs comand:
-----------------------
/usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke=dao -dvd-compat -overburn -gui -graft-points -volid VCT_M3_Keio -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR VERSION 0.11.14 (C) 2003 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer K3b - Version 0.11.14 -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-ctmatlab/k3btOozgc.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list /tmp/kde-ctmatlab/k3b9p5edc.tmp -full-iso9660-filenames -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-ctmatlab/k3bIpgjWb.tmp

[slvrsrfr]

Hi i got nero but not running, it flashes up then goes,
i am using fedora core 3 kernel 2.6.11-1.35 anyone help
o and i got a full license number so noprobs there

thanks Slvrsrfr.