How Well Are These Forums Performing?

[Ug]

We're interested to know how you think FedoraForum.org is performing, we want to know what you like about the forums and what you don't like. If you have any suggestions to make then, please by all means make them and we'll consider their values.

Constructive critcism only please.

[Jman]

On the technical side, things are performing great. Hardly any delay to get to any page. vBulletin is excellent forum software.

The only problem I forsee is scaling well to meet the questions of many more users. If questions are not being answered more Fedora experts will have to be encouraged to join. It's not a problem yet, though.

People will definately ask the same questions. Maybe some FAQ for common support questions?

[Ug]

We're working on that side of things. Hopefully we should have an article system up at some point in the future, for staff to write too. Which should hope to address some of those issues.

On the point of staff, we are definately on the lookout for staff. But we are still a relatively new resource.

[PeTzZz]

I am new to this forum and to Linux too, but this forum seems to be quite good. I want to say excellent (as I voted : D), but I have not looked around here so much to say such word.

The forum seems to operate quite good too. Questions and answers are coming pritty often.

At first I thought that this is "another" forum where I don't get answers, but then I got some answers after some days or less. I thought that I don't get a respond, but I did. Not so quickly as I wanted, but still.

Thank you! I think that I will stay in this forum.

And the FAQ idea is a good idea! For example there should be some sticky topics in every part of the forum.

NOTE
Maybe 'Installation Help' forum should be renamed to somthing like 'Installation and Updating Help'. I didn't know where to post my question about updating. Just an idea. You may think differently.

[Ug]

Updating is a general support question.

[mhelios]

Originally posted by Ug
Updating is a general support question.
Actually I think he means upgrades as opposed to fresh installs.

PeTzZz: I feel "Installation Help" is adequate for the topic. Remember installation means fresh install *or upgrade. If you did mean updating packages in general; then yes, I agree with Ug.

Ug: Maybe just to clarify for all, adding/changing the forum description to specify fresh installs *or upgrades?

[Ug]

Sounds like a good idea. Done.

[PeTzZz]

Originally posted by mhelios
Actually I think he means upgrades as opposed to fresh installs.

PeTzZz: I feel "Installation Help" is adequate for the topic. Remember installation means fresh install *or upgrade. If you did mean updating packages in general; then yes, I agree with Ug.


Actually I meant updating packages more than upgrading. I was confused about the forum name 'Installation Help'. I thought that maybe it is for packages installation too. Packages are also installed, aren't they?

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Maybe 'Installing Fedora Help' 'Fedora Installing Help' is even better (maybe they are not grammatically correct, but something like that)? This name will emphasize the name Fedora. So users will understand that it is only for Fedora as Fedora installing help. Maybe they have the same question as I had. (I noticed some topics about installing packages or about up2date in that forum. I made one too, sry)
<-- just menitoned

:)

EDIT
that NOTE should have been posted in the Suggestions topic. I am very sorry :(

[mhelios]

PeTzZz,
I understand your difficulty comprehending the descriptions...Estonian I see. We've added a more concise description of the forum - you may have noticed. As for emphasing the Fedora in the name...well, this site is called fedoraforum.org...;)

Package installation questions comes under general support or software forums depending on the problem.

[PeTzZz]

:rolleyes:
OK, it's all my stupidity. The next time I will think more before posting and don't comment about forum names and all that things.

Maybe you delete my comments here about that NOTE. I am ashamed of them.

[Ug]

It's nothing to be ashamed of. We're an international community, there's going to be communications problems from time to time.

[Jman]

Originally posted by Ug
We're an international community, there's going to be communications problems from time to time.
Would there ever be a need for forums speaking languages other than English? Spanish and German come to mind.

Not that I'm volunteering. The communications problems would be even worse if I had to remember Spanish. :D :rolleyes:

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Jman

The only problem I forsee is scaling well to meet the questions of many more users. If questions are not being answered more Fedora experts will have to be encouraged to join.

Just a suggestion, but if the volume gets to the point where there are alot of unanswered questions they could be featured on an rss feed.

Just my two cents worth.

[ewdi]

hahahahahah the blind meets the deaf :p
yeah, i will be adding rss feeds soon :) thx lindy

[Ug]

I was wondering if we could have an RSS feed for the 10 latest posts and topics?

I really need it on my desktop.

[mhelios]

Tux, you still planning on implementing RSS feeds? This would be a great idea.
I too, would like to see this on my desktop! Gdesklets with a fedoraforum RSS feed plugin.... perfect. :)

[Ug]

Even more possibilities for spamming. :p

[mhelios]

Even more possibilities for spamming.

LOL. The more the better I say! :D

[Ug]

:p

[ewdi]

okay, i got 2 things to do now.

1. Implement Re-open (Un Resolved)
2. RSS :)

[Ug]

I do feel guilty about your work load.

[Avatraxiom]

Poor Tux. :D

Just be thankful that you don't maintain a Bugzilla.

That's all I have to say about workload. :-)

-M

[ewdi]

hahah i believe you bud :p

[mhelios]

Leave the poor overworked server monkey alone ok guys. sheesh..:D

[PeTzZz]

At the moment it seems that this forum is perfoming pritty well. The only negative thing is that we have to wait too long to get our answers.

Therefore I wish there were some experts in this forum who are refreshing the forum first page ALL the time and waiting for problems they can solve. Now I understand why you were talking about RSS.
:D

But I think that it is all behind the time. The more people will join this forum the less time we have to wait that our problems will be (re)solved.

I have one question as well. I am a little bit curious and I would like know what is the approximate time you see in your eyes one answer should be (re)solved?
:p :D

[Ug]

Personally, considering the resources we have to hand, i think that overall response times are good. Especially if you were to compare us, to another site with a Fedora Forum or the time it can take to get an answer on a mailing list.

I think the question is not to do with how long you have to wait (patience is a virtue and its never longer than a day) but rather the quality of the answer.

[PeTzZz]

OK, I have to agree that response times are actually good. Linux is too specific, i see. In other computer related forums I can get answers much quicker and it seems that it affected me too much saying those words. So I apologize for that. I overkilled a bit.

But I feel that more and more people are going to use Linux and in the new future there will be much much more people using Linux.

But the quality of answers is really important and it is more than good at the moment in my oppinion.

So I apologize again, everything is all right. Never mind those words. Dreams.

[Ug]

Don't worry about it, its just a general point.

But yes, more users will make it easier and quicker to get help.

[Bana]

What I have noticed though is that sometimes more users = bad. As sometimes the really hard questions get pushed off the front page really quickly by the easy ones and hence are never heard from again. ahem linuxquestions.org?

[Ug]

But then its the responsibility of the experienced members of the forum, to make sure those posts can answered.

[mhelios]

But then its the responsibility of the experienced members of the forum, to make sure those posts can answered.

Well, I won't claim to be one of those "experienced members of the forum", but I do realise the negative impression some people get when their post goes unanswered for any length of time.
I offer my help where I can, which is all I can do; if I can't answer something, hopefully someone else can...If they can't, I usually like to reply with something that may (or may not) be helpful. At least to make people feel they're not being ignored.

But of course, this is voluntary help done because I and others enjoy helping and imparting advice/knowledge where possible. This does not mean I and others can be there to address every post that makes it to the boards. More members, and preferably more with experience is all that we can strive for to reach optimum collaboration levels....

Well, there's my 2.5 cents.

[Ug]

Originally posted by mhelios
But of course, this is voluntary help done because I and others enjoy helping and imparting advice/knowledge where possible. This does not mean I and others can be there to address every post that makes it to the boards. More members, and preferably more with experience is all that we can strive for to reach optimum collaboration levels... aye

[Prometheus]

it would be nice if there were more people who knew more about fedora than just the same few that keep responding. I keep seeing Ug, mhelios, foolish, tux and the gang answering everybody's questions. It shouldnt be up to the same few people to answer everybodys question. I try to answer when i can, but im still pretty new to fedora. It shouldnt be up to the same few. I mean, obviously you guys like doing this or you wouldnt be admins and responding to everybody all the time, but it shouldnt be youre responsibility. If we could entice a greater number of advanced users, it would probably benefit everyone. I really love the forums though. It just shouldnt be the responsibility of a few fto help the masses if you get my drift.

just my take on things, love it hate it, oh well.

[Ug]

At the end of the day, more users will provide more help.

And yes, I do spam this board a lot. 20% of all posts are mine :eek:

[Prometheus]

i noticed, the top 25 posters are like u with 600, mhelios with 500, then tux has like 200, just a slight difference there. Its cool though, we get your imput, which is valuable, you arent the admin for nothing

[Ug]

We try, but its amazing how far this forum has come on. In such a small time, we've really grown some and thats good.

What we're trying to do is trying to retain people like you in the forum, to keep the feeling of community. Thats mainly the purpose of the General Discussion forum, which i'm contemplating developing a bit more.

[Prometheus]

Go for it. i really like the feeling here, and it is amazing how many users there are for what, not even 2 months of running. im gonna be here for awhile dont worry about retaining me. ill be here.

[Ug]

I can't wait for 1000 users. ;)

Which incidently will be occurring next week. :p

[Prometheus]

due to the fedoranews thing, or youre just hopin?

[Ug]

We're currently in the process of merging FedoraForum.org with the Artoo #Fedora FAQ forum.

The user database and threads will all be ported over soon. Then we'll release some official announcements.

[Prometheus]

ahhhhhh, gotcha. so will they both link to this forum, or will there be a whole knew gigantic forum?

[Ug]

The #Fedora artoo forum, will be merging into here. So this forum will be staying exactly where it is - but it'll expand somewhat.

Which is fantastic news.

[Prometheus]

awesome, more the marrier (prolly spelled wrong but oh well)

[Ug]

It's "merrier". I don't know, another American abusing the English language!

Anyway, I'm off to bed now - it's getting late (11:15 pm) and I've got to be up early (6:00 am).

[mars_hall]

Originally posted by Ug
I think the question is not to do with how long you have to wait (patience is a virtue and its never longer than a day) but rather the quality of the answer.
I agree 100%

[Ug]

At least someone does. ;)

[Counterspy]

Coming from the forum at linuxiso.org, I find this board software a little too busy and over-moderated so I rated it average, but I then I am inclined to be a bit of a curmudgeon.

Counterspy

[Ug]

Explain "over-moderated"

[sailor]

Have any of you looked at
www.fedorachat.org
it is not doing so good....i started posting till I realzed most of the posts were 2-3 months old...there are some recent posts but not much response from more experience linux users...

I am keeping a blogger archive of the tips and how to articles
that have helped me...

[Ug]

Yea I have seen fedorachat.org if it was bigger I would have proposed a merger. But currently I don't see any point in doing so.

[ghenry]

Would tux do this?

[ghaefb]

I love this forum..
I like it because it looks great(blue-white colors), I can find many answers here, and because it represents my favourite distribution of GNU/Linux :)

[Ug]

Originally posted by ghenry
Would tux do this? We've done it before.

[ewdi]

yeah if they want to merge i dont mind helping them since they seems to have very small activities aroun dthere and the admin and staff hardly around

[Ug]

I don't really think its worth it tbh.

[sailor]

it appears there were many lost souls wandering the fedorachat.org...looking fo help...it would be worth it for those folks if you were to merge...and isnt that the reason you all so this?

I also like this forum...it is fast...helpful... and filled with folks who seem to know linux...I don't think it is over moderated...keep up the good work!

[ghenry]

I like it when Americans say ASAP :)

[Ug]

*ponders what ghenry is on about*

[kimatrix]

i like the forum very well i come a lot here, but all i see is chit chat. Afcorse that is very good (that's why i am in here all the time :P)
But i miss the real linux questions and explanations. Or experinces with some tools that not everyone know's about. Or just tip's about some things.

But hey i aint complaining i will keep coming with or with out it.

[ewdi]

:p yeah, we need to post more resources for users in how to forums

[ryan]

I am a newbie. Been trying different distos for around 6 months now, Suse 9, Xandros and now Fedora. This forum has been very helpful and I appreciate people taking their time to comment on the various questions that different ones have. Very informative and responsive keep up the good work! tks

[Prometheus]

The only thing that i could make FedoraForum better is an expanded articles section. We need someplace that has really basic things in it. Like a article about basic set up and common problems with networks, printers, etc. Granted, we are all doing this in our spare time and not getting paid for it, but if we could make something like that and have a pretty large article database, it would make it that much better. Maybe we could get some of teh guys over at fedoranews to write us some really nice and "userfriendly" step by step kind of articles for new people. Just an idea. my $.02

[micha]

That might be the purpose of FedoraNews.org, which has very good step-by-step articles, and nice documentations about common problems.

[Prometheus]

the whole purpose of FEdoraForum is to provide help though. Seems to me that if we could consolidate all the help info in one place it would help a lot.

[sailor]

A reference section would be great ...isn't there a faq for common problems?
Anyway this fourm has been great for me...never had an issue not answered...I even have been able to help some other folks out with advice....
Keep up the great work guys!

[Avatraxiom]

Originally posted by sailorsgh
isn't there a faq for common problems?

Yep: http://www.fedorafaq.org/

[Nefarious]

I've had some great experiences with this forum. It's helped out a lot. In fact, any time I'm just sittin' in front of the computer when I finish with checkin' mail and such, I'll look through the forum and see if there are any problems I can help with. Granted, being a noob myself, there aren't many things I can help with at the moment... but I'm confident that I'll be able to help more people as time go by.

Thanks for the forum everyone! :-)

[Ug]

And so the community grows. ;)

[ndv]

the site is excelent, i've found some useful answer to my problems and i've tried to answer to others one, but I thik you may improve adding:
1) a search engine to find easily thread/problem/keywords.
2) a catalog of problem/resolution, a sort of Knowledge Base.

my 2 cents
nicola
italy

[ghaefb]

search engine ???

http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/search.php?s=

[Ug]

Originally posted by ndv

2) a catalog of problem/resolution, a sort of Knowledge Base. Thats what the "Resolved" bit is in the support forums. But its a system which only works when thread starters decide whether or not they're problem has been resolved.

[micha]

Originally posted by Ug
Thats what the "Resolved" bit is in the support forums. But its a system which only works when thread starters decide whether or not they're problem has been resolved. Where is that ? I've never seen the "Resolved bit".

[ndv]

well... sorry i didn't see it at all
maybe try to put a text field on the blank-unused space on the top of the site as other sites usually do.

[Ug]

Originally posted by micha
Where is that ? I've never seen the "Resolved bit". Your right - its disappeared! :eek: I'll look into it.

[cgriffin]

I think you need to fix the "How To" section. People are posting questions in there and, IMHO, that forum should only be for "HOWTO" guides, like "How To Use Apt" or something.

Maybe you should not allow any posts in there other than from moderators. Or, perhaps move all the non-howto posts into their proper forums (like Networking, Software etc.) and post a sticky at the top that says "This Forum Is Not For Asking Questions" or something. And then keep tabs on it and move questions that get posted in there.

I've moderated other Linux boards and have had this same problem.

Other than that, this is a great forum that is really growing quickly. Good mods, nice layout, good user options, etc. Keep up the great work!

P.S. Is there a way to preview posts before submitting? I don't see that function.

[Ug]

Originally posted by charlie
I think you need to fix the "How To" section. People are posting questions in there and, IMHO, that forum should only be for "HOWTO" guides, like "How To Use Apt" or something.
Its a constant up hill struggle, I must move about 6 threads a day out of that forum yet still some slip under the radar. The problem with Sticky threads is that no one reads them before posting, its just a fact of life.

Mind you - setting an Announcement might be a good idea.

[Nefarious]

I think it's a good thing to be able to post in the How To section... It easier than trying to figure out where in the forum to post your questions, and then you've gotta refer back to the How To... this way, you can atleast have the needed info from the post there and the questions can be answered easier.

But, at the same time, I do see where you're comin' from with suggesting that people shouldn't be allowed to post in the How To section. It keeps it clean and everything in there is garunteed to be what you want.

[cgriffin]

Good points, all. Ug, I can relate to the uphill battle thing.

Nefarious, I guess the way I see it is that it's an organizational problem. If I have a networking problem, I'd probably browse thru the Networking forum. If you had a networking problem and posted a question in the HOWTO forum rather than the Networking forum, I'd never see it. So, to me, it makes sense that the HOWTO forum is for posts explaining how to do something. Especially since the HOWTO forum is in the "Fedora Resources" and not in "Fedora Support."

Maybe part of the problem is that we have a HOWTO forum plus a Tips & Tricks forum. Maybe those are the same thing.

Take a look at gentoo's forums:

http://forums.gentoo.org/

They only have a single "Documentation, Tips & Tricks" forum.

Anyway, these were just my $0.02.

[cgriffin]

Originally posted by charlie
Maybe part of the problem is that we have a HOWTO forum plus a Tips & Tricks forum.

Well, at least I thought we did. Now I don't see it. It's been a long day...

(maybe HOWTO could be renamed "tips & tricks"? then people won't think HOWTO means questions?)

[Prometheus]

Or we could take all the really good how tos that get posted in there and quickly make them into articles and post them in the article section. You know, clean them up a bit and maybe have little longer explaninations. Just an idea.

[mhelios]

Originally posted by charlie
P.S. Is there a way to preview posts before submitting? I don't see that function.
Hello Charlie.

In case you're still wondering about this function, the "Preview Reply" button is only accessible when you post a thread/reply from the full-featured post page, not the quick reply at the bottom of each thread. If you click the "reply" or "quote" buttons in a thread you'll get the full reply environment.

[stanmc]

I just became a member yesterday, I think, and I've already fixed two of my nagging problems. They were simple problems, but I couldn't remember the "simple" solutions. One was the xkb problem at boot-up in which the xfree86 reference in the keyboard config needed to be changed to something like xforg. The other was grub defaulting to the oldest kernel rather than the latest.

Really like the search capability and the answers I am finding. :cool:

[earobinson111]

i wana change my answer to better than exelent ... this is the best fc site i have found

[olivierv]

Well I'm fairly new to the whole forum bit, but I have to say I'm enjoying it. Being new, I can't say if it's the forum part or the whole fedoraforum that I'm enjoying, but all the same- I'm not going anywhere. Ok, Ok, I think it's the latter. I don't have any issues per say except where certain users seem to go for quantity in lieu of quality in a race to accumulate reputation instead of really helping out others.

All in all, I'm glad I found this forum. I hope it keeps going in this direction.

Olivier

[Psquared]

I am very happy to have you guys to ask questions. There is no way I would have attempted to install FC2 without this forum.

My only suggestion is that we need more Forum categories. I would break hardware and software into a couple of subcategories. Maybe "Internal Hardware" and "External Hardware" and "Included Software" and "Third-Party Software" and "Drivers".

[Ug]

I'll think about it. ;)

[Ug]

I don't have any issues per say except where certain users seem to go for quantity in lieu of quality in a race to accumulate reputation instead of really helping out others.
I'm glad you mentioned this, it is a concern of mine and I'm actively working to address it.

[Avatraxiom]

...certain users seem to go for quantity in lieu of quality in a race to accumulate reputation instead of really helping out others.

Hahahahaha, gee, you couldn't be thinking of any specific users. :-D

-Max

[superbnerd]

Well thats what the reputation points were supposed to encourage, except that mods and admins lack balance of power. When someone actually solves your problem or gives good advice, you should give them good rep, and if they give terrible advice give them bad rep. Hahahahaha, gee, you couldn't be thinking of any specific users. :-D Who did you have in mind? We should be a close enough and mature enough community to point out those who are giving excessive bad advice and ask them to slow down.

[sailor]

except that mods and admins lack balance of power
I am not quite sure what you mean ? Mods and Admins are not here to answer all questions or rate all posts; but rather are here to keep order. If necessary it requires that we must take action. Some things we let go some we do not. Sometimes it is best to let an issue work itself out.

We discussed making a public announcement but felt it is not a good idea, let the individuals get themselves in order and then come back without having everyone shunning them. The reputation is for all to use, unfortunately it can be misused...it is the price we pay.

[Ug]

Let it stay at that.

[radu5er]

OK, my two cents worth...

The forum is great for newbies and seasoned users alike. One thing I've learned from getting older is that no one knows all the answers and almost everyone can contribute something...some of more use than others. Even a noob like myself can occasionly stumble onto a new solution to a problem. As we used to say in Kentucky " even a blind hog sometimes finds an acorn"(geez, that sounded corny).

But that is the real strength of a forum like this...lots of new ideas to try and by trying various things, we learn which is after all the goal for all of us. If we wanted turn-key systems we would just pay mr. gates and continue like the rest of the sheep and tolerate a less than perfect operating system. We trial these FC systems and through these trials the system is becomming a superior way of computing.

Anyway, off the soapbox for now...you moderators and administrators are doing a great job and I am very thankful to have discovered this forum. Keep up the good work and we DO appreciate it!

[Ug]

Thank you.

[Linux_Justice]

User: imdeemvp was banned for exposing this truth and for refusing to accept severe offenses.

Original date of thread was Sep. 24.04 Tittle: Is This A Crime? Thread Deleted!

WE ARE NOW QUESTIONING THE ETHICS OF Ug?
“As you may be well aware this is a private forum and so called "free speech" does not exist on the forum.” By Ug.
US Constitution: First Amendment is FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

Recently I recieved negavative feedback for using an unofficial site for this forum. Also as far as I understand www.fedorafaq.org when it opens up it also says "unofficial".

1. This is the thread: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=10558

This was the comment left for user (imdeemvp):

"I've told you: DO NOT MIX REPOSITORIES! If you have to do it besides mine and the maintainers of the repositories warnings, at least don't spread the bull****."

My understanding is that I should not be linking to Unofficial Fedora Cora 2 Guide For Beginners BUT under the ACKNOWLEGMENT this is what I found.

People that had helped me in a way (sorted by name):
Name: Gavin Henry
Nick: ghenry
Email: ghenry.AT.fedoranews.org
Webpage: http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry

Name: gonzalo
Nick: gonzalo76
Email: gonzalo_pardo76.AT.fibertel.com.ar

Name: Ilja Kogan
Nick: ilja
Email: ilja.AT.fedoraforum.org
Webpage: http://german.fedorausers.org

Name: Joel Rittvo
Nick: jrittvo
Email: joelonlinux.AT.perfect-flight.com

Name: Nil Gradišnik
Nick: ghaefb
Email: ghaefb.AT.linux.io
Webpage: http://ghaefb.r8.org
Webpage: http://ghaefb.fedorausers.org

Name: Rénald CASAGRAUDE
Email: rcasagraude.AT.interfaces.fr

Name: Sindre Pedersen Bjørdal
Nick: foolish
Email: foolish.AT.fedorafaq.org
Webpage: http://foolish.fedorausers.org

Name: Steve
Nick: sailorsgh
Email: sailorsgh.AT.yahoo.com
Webpage: http://home.satx.rr.com/sghmjl
Webpage: http://sailorsgh.blogspot.com

ARE THESE SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATORS AND MODERATORS we have here?

Why cant it be use if it will helps others? “Do things the Fedora-way…”

The above statement is a clear violation of fedora guidelines

General
1. Be polite.

When answering questions
1. Don't be cruel.

7. Do things the Fedora-way. There are always more than one solution to a problem, choose the one you think will be the easiest for the user.

THESE ARE THE TERMS:

1.Thread must be know to the users of this forum and must remain open for public view. Otherwise it will be posted over and over.

2.If thread is closed, the fedora developers, fedoranews, major linux forums will be notified of such injustice which will bring shame to the forum. Replica will be sent.
3. This terms are non-negotiable!

[ieuuk]

This forum is great - all of the pages are quick, and there is no delay... and im sure it will only get better as more people sign up.

[msimplay]

This place is very good on technical side with vbulletin i'm glad fedora forum shelled out for the licence
i often go to other forums like 'un-named' however a lot of them tend to use phpbb which can lag terribly when around 50+ members browse the forum at once
theres only one better performer than Vbulletin and thats Invision powerboard however these are comparable in features
Invision tends to have more standard featurewise to make it easier to administrate like warnings system , attachments in pms , multiquoting , moderating from within the forums, full text searching as standard

but Vbulletin has comparable features in terms of easier skinning
wyziwyg editor
usergroup permissions
reputation system
promotion system + additional usergroups

However although Vbulletin is good because of the nature of this forum is to help users i would have used Invision powerboard because of its performance

Vbulletin i would use for a site where i want to offer more features to users ,however Vbulletin is still a great choice :)

[promark]

I have only just installled FC2 for the first time and have found this Forum invaluable for finding info via the search button or asking

Even managed to answer a few querstions

Keep up the good work

Mark

[Petrohead]

There isn't a better forum out there in regards to Fedora Core. A great community, serious, straight forward answers. Great for 'noobs' and advanced members. Hell of a melting pot to say the least .............

[james_in_denver]

Two suggestions.

add a "menu-bar" item for listing new threads in the previous 24 hours, 48 hours, 72 hours.
I visit this site a lot, and sometimes get caught up in helping someone with a problem at time "a", so when I come back at time "b", I don't see the rest of the "new" posts from time "a" that I didn't browse/look at.

And the second suggestion is to set a default in the "recommend" feature. I get a lot of recommendations, but they never seems to add up as recommendation "points". IE: when I look at my "user cp" screen, I see a few "successful/thanks" posts, but with blue boxes, and no score?

Or are points awarded only by moderators?

[SlowJet]

The web page counter vs. the FAQ and How-to's.
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tick,tick,tick
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tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick, tick,tick,tick,tick,tick
tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick, tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick, tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick,tick

or

rollin',
rollin'
rollin' on a river

All together now! Type
GRUB ate my Windows!!!!!!! --- press enter.
type
SAMBA won't let me in!!!!!!!!!! --- press enter.
type
I reinstalled everything and now it works!!!!!! --- press enter


:)

SJ

[asmodanus]

BTW, if you're going to have multilingual how2s, you may turn to me to translate how2s to Russian. Yes, I'm a volunteer. :) Just mail to cdpersonal@programist.ru to contact me.

[DaveW]

New here to the forums, but from my short time here, things are great. Keep up the fantastic work and thanks. :) With more experience under my belt I hope to help as I have seen many others here in the forums do.

[garnertr]

As a total newbie, this IS my first resource, I find the forums excellent, the search menu works great and I've never had a harsh response to any of my quetsions. This is a great response and the ppl repond w/ excellent support.

Good job.

[LeslieL]

Garnetr - you're so right. I especially like the courtesy people show learners like us. I check in every day or so to see what I can learn. I'm even getting to the point where I can help a little, and that feels good.
I like the way suggestions people have made in previous responses to this questionnaire have been implemented. Great forum.

[natrix]

I think the community here is great, not a lot of snobbery towards us newbies, which is great. I have seen other forums where users will jump down your throat if you post what they think is a stupid question. That turns a lot of people away from Linux, methinks.

I think 1000 members definitely calls for celebration of some sort. I know I'm going to drink to it!

Thanks for doing a fantastic job! KUtGW!

[killaweegee]

I have never been a fan of forums, but this forum has changed that for me. I have been playing with linux for almost 2 years, but only really crossed the threashold about 6 monthes ago. Needless to say I could not have done this as easily without the help of the awesome members of this forum. I just hope that I am able to give to this forum as much as I have gained from it. Truely, a pleasure to be apart of it.

[MakeMyDay]

This is much better than the average forum I have used. Well organized. Useful content. Good comraderie.

It does seem to be frequented by more noobies than other forums, but since I am one I can't complain!

Of course, we have problems common to all forum such as people who post without searching first, people who post and never come back to read answers to their questions, posts that don't get good answers, etc.

I think of JFK who said "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country". In addition to posting questions, I try to take time to write about cool things I find, and to hit New Posts at least once a day to learn and to help.

[adam]

This forum became 30% of my love to Fedora. What I needed was a good distro well supported. And here it is. I wouldn't handle it myself just the way I wanted to without this forum.

I never been a type of guy who needs a community. All the forums I came across earlier were like 'RTFM' or 'I be boss, you be noob, shut up kid and give me the respect I deserve for being so polite'... :confused: But now I watch the RSS feeds everyday and I hope to become helpful some day when I get some more experience.

Great job, Fedoraforum! Much love for that. :p

[greatscot]

FedoraForum.org is awesome! I love it. My family and I spend several hours per day here. Words can't describe the how grateful I am for FedoraForum.org.

Mind if I lay out a sleeping bag in the corner somewhere? :D

[killaweegee]

FedoraForum.org is awesome! I love it. My family and I spend several hours per day here. Words can't describe the how grateful I am for FedoraForum.org.

Mind if I lay out a sleeping bag in the corner somewhere? :D


Only if we can roast marshmellows, have smores, and have wireless :D

[greatscot]

Only if we can roast marshmellows, have smores, and have wireless
Now, that sounds like a plan :D

[jcstille]

Hehe, one day killaweegee. We are very grateful for your nice comments. The Fedora community is what truly makes this forum what it is. Without ya'll we would not be around. People are genuinely out to help others truly see the light with linux. So we have a hard working staff to help moderate the people that aren't helping build community. There is also a lot to be said for our great members that come back day after day to just give a helping hand.

[jim]

I think you'll are doing a fine job :) Just a tip that has already been mentioned, i see alot of questions that are repititious. e.g like how do I install mplayer, or i keep ggetting dependancy errors. I have posted a few how-to articles. they are based towards the noobie perspective in hopes that it will be understanding to the transformed windows user :wink: I think a great idea woul be to as a person joins, make them view a list of how-to articles. So, if the problem they are having is listed, they then don't have to post the obvious question. instead they can post a question pertaining to the problem they arew having after they have read how -to do something. Makes for a more meaningful question with much more specific details. Of course i could be wrong, just my 2 cents.
TTFN

[roolegion]

Perhaps a "How-to" section ?? I dont look at the sections per se, just see the new posts - too busy !

[ilja]

Perhaps a "How-to" section ?? I dont look at the sections per se, just see the new posts - too busy !
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12 ???

[Woad_Warrior]

how about an easy way to find unanswered and/or unresolved posts? i try to go through the forums looking for unanswered posts that i might be able to answer, and browsing the entire forum can get somewhat tedious. (as i'm sure you mods and admins are all painfully aware. ;) )
so far the forums have been an excellent resource for me in finding solutions to a few minor but annoying problems, and coming across a few things that proved to be quite usefull. keep up the good work. :)

[killaweegee]

Hello Woad Warrior, What I usually do is goto advanced search and search for threads with no more than 0 post. It will filter out all the unanswered post for you. Hope this helps.

[t3gah]

The HOWTO section needs to be categorized.

[greatscot]

I consider fedoraforum to be a necessity to anyone running Fedora Core. I have learned so much from the good folks here.. it amazes me. When I help a Windows user switch to Linux (currently on # 44), I always give them what I call a "help kit", which is a set of files and apps on a CD that I have put together to assist them on their journey, and FedoraForum is listed in the Vital Bookmarks files for Konqueror, Mozilla and Firefox.

I think this forum is awesome and I wouldn't want to have to live without it. Kudos to the admins, moderators and managers. Thanks for being here.

[Zigzagcom]

I think the forum is performing quite well at the moment, but am concerned about the pace of growth. One will have to wait and see how it develops and react to it. I would like to encourage every member to read as many posts as possible and not only focus on their questions. It is surprising how much we can contribute to and learn from other posts. A stronger emphasis on the search tool and guidelines/hints might encourage its use more often, although one could argue, that the database is not that big yet. That in itself is dependent on the number of users and questions/resolutions being posted, so the more users, the better.

A section called the "Reading Room" with lots of PDF files like Red Hat manuals, admin guides, tutorials and contributions would act as a local reference point. Sure, their may be some duplication,
but rather than link to external sites, visitors would be better served with local access.

Just a thought...

[Truthfatal]

I like this forum a lot. Everyone is pleasant and helpful.

[crackers]

Sure, their may be some duplication,
but rather than link to external sites, visitors would be better served with local access.
Two words for you: diskspace and bandwidth.

Both of those cost money - and we do run on a fairly tight budget. And unpaid volunteer staff :D

Besides, sticking to doing one thing well is better than doing a lot of things mediocre. And the time to track them all down, get permissions, setting up the repositories... I don't know about the other moderators, but I'm pretty stretched for time as it is! ;)

[Zigzagcom]

:rolleyes: Hi crackers,
put this way, I couldn't agree with you more.
I don't mind bookmarking good links and downloading bunches of pdf's.
I guess it boils down to making ones own resources work as well !

:)

[FedoraTomorrow[deleted]]

Dear Administrators;

What I miss in these forums, are stickies who tell the most used questions/information regarding the topic the forum is about. "security" for example should have information about software and tips to secure your pc. I already made a topic like that, but no one seems to recognize that information isn't that easily available. Since this is an "official" forum, this might be something to look into.

Friendly greetings,

FedoraTomorrow.

[Melio]

I'v been on this forumsite for a long time, and I am really happy with the performance of the site, as well as the photo/desktop image uploading feature . the discussions are well presented. and everyone seems to be comfortable in they're own skin here.. . I'm glad this place exists and I recomend it to everyone new to fedora I help out.

[kg4cbk]

It seems like the same set of questions get asked all the time. Trying to search the forum is difficult.

There needs to be a list of these standard questions with detailed trouble shooting guides that users can search easily and quickly.

I suspect that many questions go unanswered. When I visit I look through the first page of a few of the forums. Questions that don't show up on the first page of those few forums I never look at. Once the question slips to the next page I doubt if very many people ever read it.

[bytesniper]

It seems like the same set of questions get asked all the time. Trying to search the forum is difficult. very true on both statements, in my opinion. There are many questions i see over and over i just now post links to other threads where its already answered. I have used other much easier and more accurate search engines. I have always found what i was after using it but it takes some creative searching. I think it would help (once again, only my opinion) if the search link at the top of the forum did not drop down a quick search becuase this is a very generic unrefined search that returns mosly irrelavent results. If it were just a link to the advanced search i think it would eliminate a nominal amount of repeat questions. To be honest when i need to find a specific post here i use google and preface the search with 'fedoraforum' which surprisingly works very well.

There needs to be a list of these standard questions with detailed trouble shooting guides that users can search easily and quickly. i think that is the purpose of fedorafaq.org although it seems to have fallen into obscurity since it doesn't look like its even been updated for FC4 and some of the FC3 information is outdated or just wrong. if they are looking for contributors/maintainers they should let us know, i would imagine a lot of the regular posters here would happily help out (myself included).

I suspect that many questions go unanswered. When I visit I look through the first page of a few of the forums. Questions that don't show up on the first page of those few forums I never look at. Once the question slips to the next page I doubt if very many people ever read it. true, most of the posts that i answer i get to using the most recent section at the top as its just easier but i do regularly browse through many of the forums to see if there are any unanswered i might be able to help with and i do see a few unanswered but as far as a community support portal it's doing very well catching the vast majority, i think.

Joseph

[dwflo]

Everything is good, other than seeing Random Pics, violating forum guidlines of posting of nudity.

Dave

[keithmo]

Someone needs to put a "short leash" on crackers. His abrupt closure of the "New linux community, help needed!" thread (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=64389) was inappropriate at best.

[tanaka]

I find this forum very good with excellent content. With little search you can find many answers to your questions and if you don't find them there are many who eager to help you!

[dwflo]

Someone needs to put a "short leash" on crackers. His abrupt closure of the "New linux community, help needed!" thread (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=64389) was inappropriate at best.

I agree totally, felt it was directed at me, even though it wasn't. Still it was very rude behavor.

Dave

[sailor]

It may be splitting hairs, but it was an advertisment asking for people to help with the site. The link section is not for avertising as noted in the "Stickys".
However, I can see how it could be viewed as a valid link for linux users...may I suggest that the link be posted as another resource for users, without any call for members (the advertising part). Let the site advertise for members on their own site.

[StephenH]

How about boolean searches (a AND b, a OR b, a NOT b) and phrases "search this phrase" for searches. I don't see anything on the advances searches page to indicate whether these are supported or not.

Regards,

Stephen

[keithmo]

It may be splitting hairs, but it was an advertisment asking for people to help with the site.
Yes, that is (IMHO) splitting hairs. By this definition, almost any links to other sites could be considered "advertising". The thread was not advertising a product; it was a perfectly reasonable (again, IMHO) attempt to generate interest in another free Linux-focused forum. "Building community", if you will. And it was shot down like a piece of spam.

Very uncool.

[ewdi]

See you guys are missing out on the point here

Fedora Resources > Links (Fedora Resources)

and if we took it as spam we will MOVE the thread to Trash section instead of just closing it

[dwflo]

See you guys are missing out on the point here

Fedora Resources > Links (Fedora Resources)

and if we took it as spam we will MOVE the thread to Trash section instead of just closing it

I understand the point, but it was the way it was closed.
Does that make sense?

Dave

[keithmo]

See you guys are missing out on the point here

Fedora Resources > Links (Fedora Resources)

and if we took it as spam we will MOVE the thread to Trash section instead of just closing it
Are you implying the Links section is for Fedora-exclusive content? If so, then I suggest you close the "Home of the Links" thread (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=148) for "advertising" the Linux Documentation Project and LinuxQuestions.org.

Under the "Link Posting Rules" (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=82), Ug wrote (emphasis mine):

This forum is for the posting of useful links that you find around the WWW relating to Fedora. Please keep the links useful and relevant, as this could become a quite useful resource.

Links must:

* not be broken
* be promoting selfless publicity
* be accurate (i.e. exactly what you say it does)
* not be of an adult content (i.e. no porn please)

Thanks

Honestly, I do not see how promoting another free Linux community site could possibly have violated any of these rules.

For the record, I have no direct involvement with the linux-reactor.org, other than my recent (failed) registration attempt.

[ewdi]

Who says it does? "Please take other site's issues to that site or to e-mail. Thread closed."

All crackers said take the site issues to PM or email. He did not said it violate rules. and We have our own judgment on the call. We do not get paid doing moderation or running this community.

AGAIN, if it violate rules, we WILL move it to trash box. The thread was not removed.

[foolish]

Everything is good, other than seeing Random Pics, violating forum guidlines of posting of nudity.

Dave

With the amount of traffic we're seing it's very hard for a crew of volunteers to get everything as fast as we'd like. if you do find something that you find to break the rules or guidelines, do report it and if we agree, in most cases we do, we'll remove it as fast as we're able.

[Firewing1]

Hey,
I think the forums are doing great! I voted excellent, although there could be some improvs. For example, the "New Posts". It serves it's function great, but the thing is posts that can't be solved easily will not be answered. Then are drowed off the "New Post" list in 10 min! I had to triple post (not exact duplicated, but I tried once, no answers. Next day, made another, same thing. Made another, finally got it solved. With 2 BUMP posts) There should be a "Unsolved" link where all the unsolved threads lay, and there should be a link to the creater of a threat allowing him/her to make the thread marked as "Solved". It would make it easier for searches, too. It's troublesome to search the forum for a problem you're having when the thread you look at don't solve the problem in the first place.
Firewing1

[macgregor]

Fedora ROCKS! Fedoraforum ROCKS!

Seriously, I have been wanting to completely switch to Gnome but Gnome lacked a menu editor. Because of these forums, I found smeg (http://foolish.digitalinc.info/pakker/) and that was the killer. I have built FC4 rpm's for smeg and pyxdg and now I have a great menu editor for Gnome.

I have learned so much from these forums: building rpm's, installing and troubleshooting apps, bash scripting, terminal commands, and too much more to list here.

Thank you Fedoraforum!

[dwflo]

I am seeing too many threads with "Goodbye Fedora...Hello Xxx"
This is becoming too much, as all it does is create proplems. The moderators need to immediatly remove these type of threads. This type of posting should be refered to, in the rules and guidelines, to prevent any further abuse.

By informing members that this causes arguments and flamewars, and should not be tolerated. Most of it is due to the lanuage barriers between members. Too many times, misunderstandings cause these problems. It is very difficult to express yourself to another, if you are not communicating in your own language.

I would hope the administrators would take a deeper look at this situation, as it is increasing. It does not help keep this forum from becoming something that it is not intended to be.

Dave

[weinerdogus]

I am seeing too many threads with "Goodbye Fedora...Hello Xxx"
This is becoming too much, as all it does is create proplems. The moderators need to immediatly remove these type of threads. This type of posting should be refered to, in the rules and guidelines, to prevent any further abuse.

By informing members that this causes arguments and flamewars, and should not be tolerated. Most of it is due to the lanuage barriers between members. Too many times, misunderstandings cause these problems. It is very difficult to express yourself to another, if you are not communicating in your own language.

I would hope the administrators would take a deeper look at this situation, as it is increasing. It does not help keep this forum from becoming something that it is not intended to be.

It always seems to be the same people who respond to these types of threads. perhaps they should refrain so the admins need not get involved.
Overall the forum performs very well.

[dwflo]

It always seems to be the same people who respond to these types of threads. perhaps they should refrain so the admins need not get involved.
Overall the forum performs very well.

I take it you do not read the threads, but I suspect you do, or you would not have commented in a derogitory manner to my post. I agree that this forum performs very well, but there are always those who like to spoil it for everyone else. I have no problem getting into their face. We do not need these kind of people and they should be banned, which many have been.
When I see these threads, I see a call for help. I do not mind helping if I can, and some have been helped. There are trolls that throw the rocks and start the battles. I do not consider my self a troll, but others may...depends how you define troll.

Yes I will respond, if I feel it necessity to, not to start a flame war, but to correct someone I think is out of place. I am also very opinionated, as you are now aware of. I am not afraid to speak my mind and not afraid to admit when I am wrong. I call it as I see it and that upsets some people, but life is not perfect, you can't please everybody. If people would be honest and speak out when things are not right, instead of turning their heads, life would be nicer.

Dave

[weinerdogus]

I do not consider my self a troll, but others may...depends how you define troll.
I didn't mean to imply that you are a troll. If you got that impression, I apologize. I was pointing out that if everyone refrained from replying to the trolls, the threads would die.
regards

[dwflo]

I didn't mean to imply that you are a troll. If you got that impression, I apologize. I was pointing out that if everyone refrained from replying to the trolls, the threads would die.
regards

No problem, I accept your apology. I understand how easy it is to misinterpret something in writing. It is easier to express yourself, when it is a face-to-face converstion. :)

Dave

[RahulSundaram]

Updating is a general support question.

I tried to answer it here

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraUpgrades

Rahul
Red Hat Inc

[RahulSundaram]

I am seeing too many threads with "Goodbye Fedora...Hello Xxx"
This is becoming too much, as all it does is create proplems. The moderators need to immediatly remove these type of threads. This type of posting should be refered to, in the rules and guidelines, to prevent any further abuse.

By informing members that this causes arguments and flamewars, and should not be tolerated. Most of it is due to the lanuage barriers between members. Too many times, misunderstandings cause these problems. It is very difficult to express yourself to another, if you are not communicating in your own language.

I would hope the administrators would take a deeper look at this situation, as it is increasing. It does not help keep this forum from becoming something that it is not intended to be.

Dave


Well moderators can gladly remove these threads if there is a consesus on such things but when these threads do happen, make sure you respond to them in a constructive manner. I am pretty sure some users have strong disfavorable opinions and will continue to be that way. Others will find it fun to switch distros constantly and advertise this as a big deal all over and so on

We need to find a way to keep forum useful for such things to happen with requiring active censorship all the time. Just my personal opinion on this

Rahul
Red Hat Inc

[dwflo]

RahulSundaram,

I understand precisly, but too many seem to be willing to "incite a riot" and run.
When someone attempts to make corrections or express displeasure with such behavor, they are unwilling to except critizism, and an argument begins.

I know I am not perfect, but I do know how to conduct myself in public. At my age and my experiance, I have no tolerence for bad behavor. People want help, I will gladly abide, but I will not hold their hand, nobody learns that way.

I will admit, I am quick to respond to such things, but feel it necessary to "ring their ears". If these things go unchecked, then it mushrooms.

Dave

[tomcat]

With regard to the amount of traffic this forum sees day in and day out, the Moderators and Admins are doing a good job. But the Forum is not excellent. And this is imho

1. Due to the fact that there is too much traffic in order to be able to help on every problem. You have to decide on which topics you help. This will cause some frustration with users who do not see any answers to their posts. But that is life and there is, I guess, hardly a way to change this.

2. Because some users are extremely agressive and unwilling to answer "stupid" questions. They forget that they once, too, were newbies. And the switch from one OS to another can be a daunting task, even more if you are no "techie". The more helpful and patient the veterans of Linux are, the more success and "good spirit" will be part of Linux. The more we bash others for not reading a manual or switching to other distros, the more Linux-users will be seen as an unfriendly bunch. There are already too many unfriendly Linux forums out there and it would be a shame IMHO if this forum ends like those, only because some people forgot what "being polite" means. The majority behaves well, but some users need to think about their behavior IMHO.

I hope that some readers read this (hopefully) constructive critizism and take a heart to improve the good quality of this forum even more.

[Firewing1]

like I say, IMHO, there needs to be a way to have a "Thread Solved" status so that when a problem is solved, it had the flag on it. When other users search, then they know which threads will show thier solution instead of viewing a 1/2 completed thread or a single post with no answers.
Also, there needes to be a "Unsolved" threads with a priority system. The admins can set priorities to unanswered question that are important. I've posted 3 times on a GDM problem and got no replies on any of the 3 threads. Very helpful. This isn't a flame, and I know that it's the best we can all do, but it's just dissapointing.
We just all have to do the best we can and work as a whole.
Firewing1

[kg4cbk]

There also needs to be an easy way to get common questions grouped so users can easily and quickly find such threads or FAQs. Seeing the same questions posted, sometimes minutes apart, means that people will stop responding after a while to those questions. Which leaves the new user wondering how to fix their particular problem when there are usually several good suggestions buried in other threads that they have been unable to find.

Many problems just need a systematic problem solving process applied. For example wireless cards. Many many questions on getting wireless working. Mostly because the user does not know to figure out what chip set they have and get the appropriate drivers for that chip set. Getting to this point usually resolves the initial problem.

[dwflo]

There also needs to be an easy way to get common questions grouped so users can easily and quickly find such threads or FAQs. Seeing the same questions posted, sometimes minutes apart, means that people will stop responding after a while to those questions. Which leaves the new user wondering how to fix their particular problem when there are usually several good suggestions buried in other threads that they have been unable to find.

Many problems just need a systematic problem solving process applied. For example wireless cards. Many many questions on getting wireless working. Mostly because the user does not know to figure out what chip set they have and get the appropriate drivers for that chip set. Getting to this point usually resolves the initial problem.

You make a good point, a central area where all this can be catgorized, would be a big help.

I try to be polite, but there are many that do not make an effort to read the How To section or use the search engine. When a new poster claims they cannot find any information on their perticular problem, I attempt to give links to show in a way, that they did not even try.
All you have to do is browse the New Posts or the Topic Indexes and you can see where some do not look, or they would see a topic specific to their problem.

The more this forum grows, the more data there is to search and the more difficult it becomes for the moderators. Due to this growth, it is imparetive that posting guidelines are going to need more imphesis. Many give me impression they want someone to hold their hand, this attitude should not be catered to.
When these types of threads are not answered in some manner by the staff, then you have new users giving advice or suggestions to other newbies. Most of the time the information is incorrect or an educated guess. If the advice is taken and does not work and creates more problems, then we have a situation where negative comments and anger arises. Consrtuctive criticism is necessary to stop this before we have threads that explode. New posters need to be directed to the information, but also need to know that, if they want help, they must make efforts to look at what is already there.
I was guitly of the same, until a few moderators implied, I was going to be ignored for asking the questions, that have been answered many times, I took it as good advice. Now I spend many hours reading posts, and searching. There have been many times I submitted a question, and no sooner than it was posted, an answer hit me in the face, made me feel like a fool for not doing some research.
Hope you all understand what I am getting at.

Dave

[Finalzone]

like I say, IMHO, there needs to be a way to have a "Thread Solved" status so that when a problem is solved, it had the flag on it. When other users search, then they know which threads will show thier solution instead of viewing a 1/2 completed thread or a single post with no answers.
Also, there needes to be a "Unsolved" threads with a priority system. The admins can set priorities to unanswered question that are important. I've posted 3 times on a GDM problem and got no replies on any of the 3 threads. Very helpful. This isn't a flame, and I know that it's the best we can all do, but it's just dissapointing.
We just all have to do the best we can and work as a whole.
Firewing1

This forum used to have that system. It ended up being disabled because very few posters use it.

[homey]

I like the forum but just wondering if the insertion of "Ads by Google" is intentional or other?

[pOo]

hello,

iam very interested in this forum hardware/software configuration.
we cancelled our actual server (pIII 1400, 512 mb ram) an switched to a real server system (ibm eseries, 3000, server raid, 2gbyte ram etc.)
we decided to switch from freebsd to fedora.

i think this forum runs on fedora core 4, nor? what hardware do u use? do u install the normal fedora services, httpd, mysqld, etc. with yum?

thanks a lot ...

[Twey]

The headers say UNIX.
This is a very good forum - I wish I'd known about it when I installed. It would have saved me much trouble.

[Jman]

This forum runs on either a Fedora-based OS, I forget which one. LAMP.

Xeon class processor, a couple of GB RAM.

[PabloEscobar]

I belive that this forum serves it's purpose very well. I'd browsed it for some time now. And people tend to help out in difficult matters as well as providing a help for noobs :)
I hope in some time to give back some wisdom I've learned here back to the community with a little bonus :)

[8128davidh]

I've never not had a solution offered to a problem or a link to one - got me out of a few holes.... "well done everyone" I would say, and "thanks"!

[tresslyn]

I am very grateful for this forum and the people who help neewbies like myself. I try and return the favor as I learn from one lesson to another.

[Zyqwux]

If I vote good, I must have something to complain on which I don't. Therefore, I voted Excellent.

[Firewing1]

Yes -- I voted "good" -- But now that I have more experience with Linux I find that it's great for newbs, there are LOTS of people here to answer things like USB, microphones, etc... The thing is, these are being answered over and over and over again. I've responded at least 10 times (no exageration here, maybe even more! :eek: ) to WinXP MBR boot problems. Each, slightly different but they all have the same problem. Perhaps we could start a "newb" forum, with a couple of how-to's for these common problems, come basic CLI commands and GUI tips?
Firewing1

[jim]

A list of sugestions to make the Forum better

A Section on yum and related stuff

Maybe How to articles should be locked to how-to stuff only instad of i got this error or that error for 5-10 pages. Creating a new thread like "Error in step # from how-to install blah blah blah " if the how-to gets updated maybe a flashing post for 24 hours or something dunno just ideas

A section on booting problems like the above poster stated


A BIG search box at the top of the page or like in bugzilla "did you search before... ?"

Any other ideas out there?

[Mutt]

G'day,

I've tried a lot of different distros over the last couple of weeks and read the forums for them all and this is by far the best. The old hands are friendly and helpful to us newbies which is unusual in the forum world, on a lot of the other forums the standard answer seems to be RTFM or google is your friend. The only other forum that comes close to this one is the ubuntu one but it's so busy in there that it's almost impossible to keep up with it.

The only suggestion I could make at this stage is maybe a "total newbie to linux" section.

John

P.S. I meant to mention that the How To section is brilliant, I have been saved many hours of searching the net by looking in there.

[Brotherred]

I would like to see the search engine a little more accurate. If I want to go look agein at a reply to one of my posts. I may just search for only my posts in this forum. However that thread may be five or more pages. So please when I search on my own posts or any post for that matter. Take me directly to that post. Oh and put the search box in the page and not in the drop down menu.

Also I have lots of questions but do not know where they go in the forum. Like setting up internet connection sharing with a WinXP machine with Kwifi on FC4.

I know that there are any number of ways one can answer that one. But the thing is I used to use Linspire and if there is one thing that I miss from there..... It is not the CNR though that is a great idea (do not want to pay for it) it defiantly is not their MS like practices. It is their forms.

[Firewing1]

I agree -- it's annoying to refer someone to one of my posts when it's in a 11 page thread like this one :eek:
Firewing1

[Lopov]

LOL, you can tell who are the mico$oft trolls, the ones that voted average, poor and very poor. :cool:

[Brotherred]

LOL, you can tell who are the mico$oft trolls, the ones that voted average, poor and very poor. :cool:


I hate to say it but that comment is not true. I feel as though I am trying to use the wrong OS sometimes though. Or maybe the wrong distro.

[wshawn]

A list of sugestions to make the Forum better

Any other ideas out there?


Sticky Topics which index a series of howTOs developed by a varitey of people which have been tested and approved.

Example found at this link (http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?t=10757)


Mabe you should make some of the categories read only to keep the howTOs clear (editable by author and mods of course)

Also, consider seperated by Core version number. This would be a pain at this point unless you just ARCHIVE everything here and have FC5 specific areas ready for when it is released. There is nothing worse than digging into the guts of something only to find out it was meant for FC1 and you are running FC4/ It wastes alot of time researching for things unless you know what you are looking for.

Just some ideas...

[seshomaru samma]

Yes -- I voted "good" -- But now that I have more experience with Linux I find that it's great for newbs, there are LOTS of people here to answer things like USB, microphones, etc... The thing is, these are being answered over and over and over again. I've responded at least 10 times (no exageration here, maybe even more! :eek: ) to WinXP MBR boot problems. Each, slightly different but they all have the same problem. Perhaps we could start a "newb" forum, with a couple of how-to's for these common problems, come basic CLI commands and GUI tips?
Firewing1

You are right , this forum needs a special beginers section with a good search option and a FAQ section

[Firewing1]

Yes, I was thinking of asking ewdi about an "newb" forum -- Then I could have a better spot for all my howto's. I was reading the 1st page -- about the volume getting too high -- I think it's starting. Withing minutes a new post goes off the list of a new posts list. If it's a tough quesiton, you'll never get it answered without multiple bumps. So, we should have 2 links:
- New posts
- new newb posts
so the same questions aren't flooding the tough ones.
Or, let's all start writing easy-to-understand, step-by-step guides so we don't have to answer questions :D
Firewing1

[JN4OldSchool]

From personal experience the forum rocks, the search function sucks. Though I have no idea how you could make it better as the thread titles are usually pretty cryptic. This is the reason the same questions get asked over and over. I think that the main people who help us newbies in here (you know who you are) would keep in mind that people may have already tried searching the forum with no results and stay patient (which most do) and just provide a link back to the thread that answeres the question it will continue to go smoothly (whew, what a sentence...)What we really need are some good how-to's like Firewing is attempting. Get very basic with just a general overview of the info needed. Once people figure out the basics they can then delve deeper for particular questions. Firewing helped me considerably with his server how to. He answered basic questions I had that everyone else thought I should already know.

[bob]

It's been pointed out to me that the FedoraFAQ is our new user vehicle and could/should be expanded if more things are needed. Those 'sticky' How-To sections for the new user are also excellent, but Max and Sindre would love to have more members add their input to the FAQ.

As to the Search function, I use it a ton since I have no original thought processes anymore. Going into the Advanced section can really boost it's usefullness. Try adding two words with the + sign (ie grub+fc5) to keep the results to a dull roar.

[ilja]

I use google. Just add site:fedoraforum.org to your search. I like it much more, than the onboard search function. The same applied to wikipedia....

[jim]

....What we really need are some good how-to's like Firewing is attempting. Get very basic with just a general overview of the info needed. Once people figure out the basics they can then delve deeper for particular questions....


This site is trying just that..
http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora

[wshawn]

That is a wild list Jim. Looks really cool

[JN4OldSchool]

Great link JIM, thanks a million. I just wish there was a way Fedora could include a list of links such as this, Stanton's site, Fedorafaq, and many others either on their homepage or in a browser window on first boot. Maybe include them as default bookmarks in Firefox. If new users were exposed to info such as this right off the bat you wouldnt have all these easy questions asked over and over. As I have stated in another link I wasnt even aware of yum until I was many weeks into using FC4. This is sad. Took me that much longer to find out about yumex. This is probably what turns more potential users off to a great OS than anything else.

[Brotherred]

Great link JIM, thanks a million. I just wish there was a way Fedora could include a list of links such as this, Stanton's site, Fedorafaq, and many others either on their homepage or in a browser window on first boot. Maybe include them as default bookmarks in Firefox. If new users were exposed to info such as this right off the bat you wouldnt have all these easy questions asked over and over. As I have stated in another link I wasnt even aware of yum until I was many weeks into using FC4. This is sad. Took me that much longer to find out about yumex. This is probably what turns more potential users off to a great OS than anything else.


I just archived all of those pages Jim. I also got a lot from Everything Solved that I learned about on this site. The only problem about Everything Solved is that I am paying for the information! That is like agienst linux theology or some thing. Paying for it at 18 bucks a year. Oh well. I am sure to forget most of the good stuff that I have now.

[powereds]

I've been in this forum for more than a year now and I find it very informative.
The people here are very helpful in solving the problem that we encounter on linux in general and Fedora Core in particular.

That's why when I have problems with my linux box, FedoraForum.org is always the place to go.

I will take this opportunity to thank all the people that somehow contributed this forum by helping others in one way or another especially the administrators, the community managers and the people behind the success of this forum. For the time, money, knowledge and the sweat they spend for the success of FedoraForum.org.

I salute you!

[Wellington]

Like most other users i enjoy the forums, i have been experimenting with linux for the last three month and have tried Ubuntu,Kubuntu,SuSe and vector but i keep comming back to fedora. "Could it be Love" I do find strange that Fedora does not have a newbie section in the forums. Cheers Dave

[v8s10blazer]

Is there a way to find unanswered questions? I thought FF had a feature like that. Since theres a lot of posts, questions that dont get answered right away get pushed back on 2nd and 3rd pages. Then no one sees them!

So maybe there should be a section for unanswered posts only or posts that havent recieved much feedback.

[bob]

Very simple way to catch those questions might be to open the Advanced feature of the Search button and then change the number of responses from 'at least' 0 replies to 'at most' 0 replies.

[Ug]

I do find strange that Fedora does not have a newbie section in the forums.Well we don't have a newbie section, because a newbie section tends to segregate them from the mainstream users on the forum. Many users don't like to dive into the 'newbie' forum stuff, and so if a question was asked there it may become overlooked. Something which we hope to avoid!

(And my oh my - this thread is still running?!)

[Wellington]

Quote:
Many users don't like to dive into the 'newbie' forum stuff, and so if a question was asked there it may become overlooked. Something which we hope to avoid!
I also find this comment strange!!! The other linux forums i have attended Ubuntu and linux forums both have a section devoted to new users and they are very robust with plenty of help from users with a wealth of experience . At the age of sixty two i could be descrided as old , with regard to my use of Fedora i am a newbie and as such im disappointed the forums dont have a newbie section. Cheers Dave

[Mat]

Quote:
Many users don't like to dive into the 'newbie' forum stuff, and so if a question was asked there it may become overlooked. Something which we hope to avoid!
I also find this comment strange!!! The other linux forums i have attended Ubuntu and linux forums both have a section devoted to new users and they are very robust with plenty of help from users with a wealth of experience . At the age of sixty two i could be descrided as old , with regard to my use of Fedora i am a newbie and as such im disappointed the forums dont have a newbie section. Cheers Dave


I think many questions that are asked here could be described as "newbie" questions. and yet most of them are answered. I don't think a dedicated forum for such questions is necesary, because they are already cared for..



Mat
(if someone wanted to point out, that my two sentences are both saying exactly the same, he would be right :))

[azc]

>>"How Well Are These Forums Performing?"

Great! This is my first stop when looking for answers. Hats off to those running this message board and those willing to help out noobs like myself. :D

[commonplace]

Forums are performing great. I typically find my answers faster by coming here directly than by doing a general Google search (which is typically the fastest way to find any answer). The fact that I think to come here first and THEN try Google says a lot. Not all of my questions have been answered, but I don't expect that, either. Overall, the forums are great!

[cdlaforc]

This is definetly a great forum it's one of the reasons that I've stayed with Fedora.

[Dan]

How Well Are These Forums Performing?

Most users ever: 11706, 2006-10-30 at 02:36 PM PST. 'nuff said?

Dan

[abevec]

I just recently joined. I am having a problem to figuring how to post a new message? Do I join some group first etc. I have been searching on the links and no info. Would be helpful to have that info up front somewhere to give us newbies on how to get start with this forum.

[bob]

As info, click on Forums and select the one you think is appropriate for your post. Once you go into the Forum, you'll see a New Topic button on the top left. Click that and you can post.

[waltreams]

Search --> vBulletin's native search is crappy for a Linux user forum. Look at all the systems we use with < 4-character names - KDE, Qt just to name a couple.

Pruning --> If someone is answered with a link to another post or a RTFM then prune it. Search results come back with the first 2-pages being RTFM or "use search" replies. Guess what? When a n00b uses search, and can't find anything useful within the first 10 - 20 posts they are gonna start a new thread.

Also on pruning. If there is a solid solution to a problem, take the ONE post that gives the answer, put it into a how-to forum (which should be at the top of the page IMO) and lock it.

Everything you ever want to know about Fedora is in this forum. It's just extremely difficult to find.

Sorry to rant.

[snoze]

Excellent Excellent Excellent

[gesho]

great forum, daily read it.

one minor technicality: konqueror gives "connection broken" on the 1st page: www.fedoraforum.org
for the rest it works fine. but on that page there are errors and some features are not working. eg search isn't working there (it does work if searching from forums.fedoraforum.org) etc...

[Firewing1]

This is probably more of a konqueror problem and not FedoraForum's since it works fine in Mozilla / Firefox
Firewing1

[Jolly-Swagman]

Well I think that this forum has some excellent and well informed guides and being new to Linux it has helped me immensely thanks to everyone here with there wise knowledge, and there is even humour here to, just had a great laugh reading the "Beware" thread.

Again many thanks

Jolly-Swagman

[Lopov]

How Well Are These Forums Performing?

Excellent. :) :cool:

[Demz]

i think there pretty Good, i cant complain, iv'e had heelp an found a lot of answers within the forum

[Tux_in_Redhat]

I was on LinuxQuestions for a while, but I quit because you guys seem a lot more patient for stupid questions :D

[gesho]

This is probably more of a konqueror problem and not FedoraForum's since it works fine in Mozilla / Firefox
Firewing1
that's true, firefox works fine.
no big deal. if one liner, konqueror folks would be happy if fixed.

[lmo]

I am having difficulty using SEARCH to find the information I want to find. I feel sure that there is information already in the forum that would help with most of my questions. However, every time I have used SEARCH, I have gotten very many search results that were very far from answering my questions. My recourse has been viewing recent posts and asking questions. Either the SEARCH falls far short, or the documentation for how to use SEARCH falls far short.

[bob]

Well, a bit of both, actually. You can use the Advanced Search and narrow it a bit more if you know who's post was involved or the approximate date or which Forum. I think the real solution is to turn to the Master.... Google.... and configure it properly there adding 'fedora' or 'fc' to what you're looking for. Chances are you'll end up with Forum posts that apply.

[lmo]

Search: +bit +both +advanced +narrow
found 2 threads including this one.
So maybe that is how to include all words.
If the + works like it seemed to, I don't remember reading about that in the FedoraForum anywhere.

[Nick C]

Personally, I like to use the 'Advanced Search' and select the default search to 'Titles Only' (instead of the entire post) that way, you can really get on a specific topic. Otherwise, you just end up with a bunch of garbage. I actually think the default, quick search, should probably be changed to default search 'titles only' as well.

[Firewing1]

Hmmmm... I think I already posted this at one point or another on this thread, but have we considered adding a 'Unanswered Posts' button? I think that we really need one, especially since as our community grows threads quickly fall to the bottom of the "new posts" pile.
Firewing1

[Dan]

Hmmmm... I think I already posted this at one point or another on this thread, but have we considered adding a 'Unanswered Posts' button? I think that we really need one, especially since as our community grows threads quickly fall to the bottom of the "new posts" pile.
Firewing1 ... agreed.

[Demz]

Hmmmm... I think I already posted this at one point or another on this thread, but have we considered adding a 'Unanswered Posts' button? I think that we really need one, especially since as our community grows threads quickly fall to the bottom of the "new posts" pile.
Firewing1
think thats a good idea, but Question is, is that Automatically in the vbulletin3.6.x series Board? no point puting it on this board if the admins intend upgrading th forum an the fedoraforum page to suit the new fedora theme

[^Tantra(]

It's great to be around people that know WTF!!! their talking about!

[techmatt]

The only problem I have with the forums is when I go to http://forums.fedoraforum.org it is rather slow. Other than that perfect. Although, the search sucks, but that is with any forum I have used.

I send most of my work day just reading all the wired stuff going on hear and LOL

[Hobashira]

Excellent forum.

I have been using Linux and Fedora for only a few months and my main reason for rating this forum as excellent is simply that when I need an answer on a technical question - and believe me, I have lots of technical questions, existing threads in this forum will provide me with answers in 80 to 90% of the cases.

So at the end of the day, I do not ask that many questions, because my answers are already built in!

I am just sorry that I cannot give back as much as I take.

[wshawn]

This is probably the best online community I have ever seen. It is much better than the Centos and Ubuntu / Kubuntu forums.


I prefer Fedora over any other distro / OS on the planet, I just wish the multimedia/ dvd ripping/ etc was easier. Personally got tired of writting How-Tos on something which is so simple in other Distros due to patent/ proprietary stuff issues.

Wished fedora would come up with a repo which had to be turned on by the individual end user to access the codecs and programs which would make my life simpler (and more freed up from not having to write the How To's)

I know Red Hat's / Fedora's position on these, I just wished it would change.


Back on topic a bit:

If this forum can't convince someone to switch to linux I am not sure of what else could.

I use this forum before searching Redhat or centos (depending on which server I am working on). The answers here are some of the best and clearest.

[dubb]

Im happy. Thanks for all your support

[angryfirelord]

Fantasic! So far, the Fedora community and the layout of this board is just great!

My only complaint is the speed at which it takes to load pages here. On sites such as Linuxquestions.org & ubuntuforums.org, pages & threads load rather quickly, but on here there can be a 10-30 second delay between pages (especially when visiting it for the first time). I have tried this on other computers at different places with similar results. I suggest, if possible, to host this forum on its own dedicated server rather than having to share it with The Planet.

Otherwise, good work! :)

[msimplay]

Fantasic! So far, the Fedora community and the layout of this board is just great!

My only complaint is the speed at which it takes to load pages here. On sites such as Linuxquestions.org & ubuntuforums.org, pages & threads load rather quickly, but on here there can be a 10-30 second delay between pages (especially when visiting it for the first time). I have tried this on other computers at different places with similar results. I suggest, if possible, to host this forum on its own dedicated server rather than having to share it with The Planet.

Otherwise, good work! :)


I personally think it's because they still use the 3.0.x series instead of the latest version of vbulletin as the original version didn't have Mysql fulltext searching I know that this reduces server load and decreases the database size since it doesn't need a seperate index for the search table instead it adds a few Mysql indices and uses the post table for searches instead.
The 3.5.x series has full text searching and so does the later version 3.6.x.

Ubuntuforums seem to use version 3.6.8 of the same software and I can't tell which version Linuxquestions uses but it is definitely above the 3.5.x series as I could tell by the bbcode editor they are using its in grey instead of the beige used here on Fedoraforum.org

[strikeforce]

Only issue I have is the lag of connecting to the forums. There is nothing wrong with the forums and their purpose but they seem to be slow for me :(

[JN4OldSchool]

The forums are very slow. I notice it much more with comcast than I did with hughs which slowed everything. I just chalked it up to the private nature of this forum and the cost of doing business. I apprecieate that we all have this place and if I have to live with a minor annoyance or two then so be it. But yeah, it does lag...bad.

[Dan]

Hmmm.

Yes. I've noticed some lags too. But usually it only becomes noticable/irritating when we exceed 7~8k users on the forum at once. <..:)..>


Dan

[leigh123linux]

Hmmm.

Yes. I've noticed some lags too. But usually it only becomes noticable/irritating when we exceed 7~8k users on the forum at once. <..:)..>


Dan

When the lag gets to bad I go of and play elsewhere as I am not willing to wait more than 5 seconds for the page to update :(

[bob]

We only have so much bandwidth and since there's a new release, we have tons of people doing searches, members and non-members alike. At times like this, I open at least two windows and minimize the wait by multi-tasking with a double or triple version of the Forum. Of course, I'm slowing it still further by doing that, but .... :)

[wshawn]

I don't visit here much anymore. Love Fedora, love the community more, just don't get here as much.


In any case, a simple solution (other than optimizing and flushing the databases) might be to start a SECOND forums start at the recent release. Have both share the same userbase.


I doubt bandwidth is the issue (though it might). I have servers on the Planet also and never have a bandwidth issue.

Simply it might be poorly written code in the forums themselves, system ram needing boosted, mysql needing some more tweaking or something else.

I remember another forum script system which spent an entire year working to get the number of mysql queries down from 57 per transaction down to less than 6. Performance went through the roof on the upgrade.

And to be the pointed and mean jerk (Dr. House mode) as all forums like this, especially in such a great community, people tend to ask before they look, which in itself is a major cause for performance issues. Maybe a very critical and non emotional axe job needs to begin dumping all the old forums which did not actually solve anything.

These forums are probably the best forums I have found, but may in deed need to be re thought. Some issues are asked hundreds of times a year, a simple how to might help or the fedora wiki project etc.

People come here first, because many do not know there are alternatives already available to getting their answers met.

Bottom line, only the system admins know the server load and actually system specs. Everything I just wrote in conjecture, but I hope it to be food for thought.

[angryfirelord]

For a look & feel example, take a look here: http://www.fedoraforum.de/

Nice and snappy.

[msimplay]

For a look & feel example, take a look here: http://www.fedoraforum.de/

Nice and snappy.

That forum doesn't run fast because of the skin its most likely due to the database being relatively small compared to this one.
This site runs on Vbulletin 3.0.x series which means it doesn't have full text searching and that means it has to have a seperate search index on top of the post index which means there are effectly two copies of each post whereas full text searching uses the post table to search with so creating a smaller database.

I think Fedora Forums should make the jump 2 the latest in the vBulletin series there are major performance benefits and new features

[Demz]

.
I think Fedora Forums should make the jump 2 the latest in the vBulletin series there are major performance benefits and new features
i do agree there but its ewdi's responsibility to do the upgrade, as he was the founder of the forum, but waiting for 3.7.0 to be final would be better than to apply a 3.6.8 version

[rbo83]

One of the major differences from the faster UBUNTU forum is that they have a lot of up-front topics on their main page that steer the users immediately to the right section, thereby eliminating a lot of searches on the database. e.g If fedora had a 'compiz', 'nvidia', 'ati', and several other very popular components sub-forums, the traffic would diminish on the server.

[leadgolem]

Holy zombie thread batman!

[rowtc2]

The forum is great,clear and well organized .It's ok.

[1inxs]

There are a lot of smart and patient people on this forum. A lot of issues are solved with a search. I would ask that the administrators remove dead end/unsolved posts. My only problem is while searching posts to solve a problem, you run into a dead end and never get the fix.

[Demz]

There are a lot of smart and patient people on this forum. A lot of issues are solved with a search. I would ask that the administrators remove dead end/unsolved posts. My only problem is while searching posts to solve a problem, you run into a dead end and never get the fix.
that would prolly be fixed by updating the board due to a better Search within the board

[JN4OldSchool]

Trashing things from, say, FC6 on back would probably also help. An argument can be made for some of these old old threads still holding relative answers but I think this only applies up to a certain point.

[bob]

Actually, there's a very good Google tool that can search FedoraForum.org for specifics a lot better than our Search engine. Google has custom-built searches and one of them includes FedoraForum

[Demz]

Actually, there's a very good Google tool that can search FedoraForum.org for specifics a lot better than our Search engine. Google has custom-built searches and one of them includes FedoraForum
thats true bob, but how many newbs use google let alone the Search button, not many

[Wayne]

I have installed in Firefox/Swiftfox but have never remembered to use it :)

Wayne

[Demz]

I have installed in Firefox/Swiftfox but have never remembered to use it :)

Wayne
haha, gimmie you swiftfox then :D

[gadgetwiz]

Overall, I think this is a great forum and it has a ton of good information and members on here.

The only thing I don't like are some of responses to newbies who ask a simple and easy to answer question. In the time it takes to scold the member for not doing enough research or failing to search and find the answer themselves, the question could be answered.

That kind of thing comes across as rude and arrogant. While at times that kind of approach is appropriate, more often than not, it isn't. Many of these people may not speak the language very well are are rank newbies, not only at Linux/Fedora but posting on forums in general. Let is not forget that we were once in their position and threat them as we would like to be treated.

[Dies]

I agree to an extent.

Common sense should dictate that if you are new, then you should have a look around, a good look around before participating.
I used Fedora for years before even realizing this forum existed. ;)

I also don't believe that rewarding someone who is just plain lazy is a good idea.

So I guess I agree that scolding a newbie or being rude is pointless, and if that's all you got then you should just ignore the thread.

[leigh123linux]

Overall, I think this is a great forum and it has a ton of good information and members on here.

The only thing I don't like are some of responses to newbies who ask a simple and easy to answer question. In the time it takes to scold the member for not doing enough research or failing to search and find the answer themselves, the question could be answered.

That kind of thing comes across as rude and arrogant. While at times that kind of approach is appropriate, more often than not, it isn't. Many of these people may not speak the language very well are are rank newbies, not only at Linux/Fedora but posting on forums in general. Let is not forget that we were once in their position and threat them as we would like to be treated.


The only thing I don't like are some of responses to newbies who ask a simple and easy to answer question. In the time it takes to scold the member for not doing enough research or failing to search and find the answer themselves, the question could be answered.


If you just give them the answer they learn nothing :(


Let is not forget that we were once in their position and threat them as we would like to be treated.

When I learnt Linux these forums didn't exist so I had to use books and Google ( I done it the hard way without being spoon fed the answers )

[Dan]

It's a classic "Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish," conundrum.


Gadgetwiz, I think the concept is best expressed in your signature block. Specifically the quote from Linus Torvalds. That's the culture. It's a community. There are certain expectations. The best method would be to link them through to the "Read This First" forum.


Dan

[schwim]

When I learnt Linux these forums didn't exist so I had to use books and Google ( I done it the hard way without being spoon fed the answers )

Uphill both ways in the snow.




Barefoot.

thanks,
json

[gadgetwiz]

Some good points made by all. Perhaps instead of excoriating a neophyte, an answer and/or link(s) can be provided, along with a brief explanation of the advice given. This way, the new member learns something and goes away feeling good about the site.

If there is a pattern of laziness after initial contact and it's clear the new member is not following earlier advice, then let the excoriation begin. :)

Telling a new member, with a one or two posts, to just use the search button (you dummy implied), just doesn't seem to me like it's the best approach, even though it's SOP on many boards around the net. Sometimes it's difficult to find answers while searching here or by using the search engines, even if you think you know what you're looking for. :cool:

[leigh123linux]

Some good points made by all. Perhaps instead of excoriating a neophyte, an answer and/or link(s) can be provided, along with a brief explanation of the advice given. This way, the new member learns something and goes away feeling good about the site.

If there is a pattern of laziness after initial contact and it's clear the new member is not following earlier advice, then let the excoriation begin. :)

Telling a new member, with a one or two posts, to just use the search button (you dummy implied), just doesn't seem to me like it's the best approach, even though it's SOP on many boards around the net. Sometimes it's difficult to find answers while searching here or by using the search engines, even if you think you know what you're looking for. :cool:

I was going to start giving this link ;)

http://www.linux-ati-drivers.homecall.co.uk/www.*uckinggoogleit.com.htm

[gadgetwiz]

I was going to start giving this link ;)

http://www.linux-ati-drivers.homecall.co.uk/www.*uckinggoogleit.com.htm
How about this one?

http://www.stupidquestions.org/ :D

Actually, there are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. :p

[techmatt]

Actually, there are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots. :p
Wow, I have never heard it put that way. I like it. :D

[pparks1]

Forum performance for me in the past couple of weeks has been horrible. To the point where it's not even worth coming here to look for information...instead I just google it.

I realize that we have a solid 11k-15k concurrent users these days...but with this large of a userbase...it may be necessary to scale out the servers just a little bit.

I'd say it takes a good 45 seconds for me to pull up new posts. I know when i hit LAST on this thread, it took 1:17 to get me to the last page.

[Demz]

Forum performance for me in the past couple of weeks has been horrible. To the point where it's not even worth coming here to look for information...instead I just google it.

I realize that we have a solid 11k-15k concurrent users these days...but with this large of a userbase...it may be necessary to scale out the servers just a little bit.

I'd say it takes a good 45 seconds for me to pull up new posts. I know when i hit LAST on this thread, it took 1:17 to get me to the last page.
it has been rather slow..of late..Ubuntu Forums has something good on it to tell you how long it takes/took you to do the Search, thats pretty handy

[leadgolem]

My experience has been that the speed of this forum is very time dependent. Which is why I usually look at this forum off US peak usage times.

[marcrblevins]

Maybe this forum be in Cluster mode and "round robin"? Yes been very VERY slow last few months.

[Demz]

which makes me wonder whether a Forum Board upgrade would Cure the problem.. at times when i have been over to the ubuntu forum its been rather slow also even though there board is up to date,

[hunger]

Has there ever been any talk of switching to a different system? I suspect some other systems might be better adept at dealing with some of the issues this site has been struggling with. (Also, I find it kind of interesting that we currently use a proprietary system...).

By the way: have any of the moderators ever given thought to systematically deleting users with no posts and no recent visits? Not sure if this would necessarily improve performance, but I like the idea of doing this if only for sake of simplicity...

[Demz]

Has there ever been any talk of switching to a different system? I suspect some other systems might be better adept at dealing with some of the issues this site has been struggling with. (Also, I find it kind of interesting that we currently use a proprietary system...).

By the way: have any of the moderators ever given thought to systematically deleting users with no posts and no recent visits? Not sure if this would necessarily improve performance, but I like the idea of doing this if only for sake of simplicity...

only admins can delete Users..CM's cant, . i think the system we have now is good.... look at Ubuntu. .they also run on a proprietary system with there forum ..only difference is.. there forum is connected to Canonical .. this forum is strictly on its own