Gnome3.6 Features

[tox]

A list of features discussed for 3.6.

Note that task owners are mandatory as this is not meant as a random wishlist.

To add a task, create a subpage called "ThreePointFive/Features/YourTask" and it will automatically be listed here.


SkyDrive support in gnome-documents (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/DocumentsSkyDrive)

Focus-caret tracking in GNOME Shell (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/FocusCaretTracking)

Exchange support in gnome-online-accounts (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/GoaExchange)

Help Menus (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/HelpMenus)

IBus/XKB support (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/IBus)

Magnifier: Brightness, Contrast, and Inversion (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/LightnessBrightnessContrastEffects)

Videos application implementation (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/TotemVideos)

Message Tray Updates (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/MessageTrayImprovements)

Printer panel improvements (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/PrinterPanelImprovements)

Lock Screen (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/ScreenLock)

Initial System Setup (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/InitialSetup)

User Panel Improvements (http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/UserPanel)


http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features & https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive

[PiElle]

Will be possible to add all the icons you need on the desktop? :confused:

[tox]

Will be possible to add all the icons you need on the desktop? :confused:

possibly not unleess you use gnome-tweek-tool

[Finalzone]

Will be possible to add all the icons you need on the desktop? :confused:

Other than using gnome-tweak-tool, there is also extensions listed called Desktop icon switch (https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/237/desktop-icons-switch/). You can assign your favourite icons to side left dock by pressing super key (Windows icon on many keyboard). Your choice.

[DBelton]

Possibly a novel feature for 3.6 would be... "Fix bugs that have been around since 3.0 before trying to add new bugs...errr features..."

[gorogoren]

Possibly a novel feature for 3.6 would be... "Fix bugs that have been around since 3.0 before trying to add new bugs...errr features..."

Agree 110%!

[sillav]

1. Sky drive support - Don't care; removing Documents is one of the first things I do.
2. Gnome-shell caret tracking - Don't care; remove accessibility features.
3. Exchange support in online accounts - Don't care; don't use online accounts to setup calendar and email.
4. Help menu improvement - Don't care; don't use help menus
5. Ibus/xkb improvements - Don't care; uninstalling ibus is second thing I do.
6. message tray improvements - <imokwiththis.jpg>
7. printer panel improvement - good.
8. lock screen improvments - this makes me nervous. a designer is alreay involved and that almost never ends well. look at his interactions with commenters even at a very early stage https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/ScreenLock
9. User panel imrovements - meh. seems to be back end stuff mostly, and I can't see how they can make it worse.

[DBelton]

hmmm.. that last comment (in the linked page) about not being a good place to discuss this sounds awfully familiar.

I have seen that same comment from gnome developers in the developer mailing list, in the bug tracker, and now on the wiki page.

So, just where is the proper place to discuss things pertaining to Gnome? Over on the KDE site? :lol:

[deanej]

So now to unlock the screen we need to do all this extra stuff in addition to entering our password? Why? Just because Windows 8 and smart phones do it doesn't mean it's a good idea for a desktop!

[TK492]

So now to unlock the screen we need to do all this extra stuff in addition to entering our password? Why? Just because Windows 8 and smart phones do it doesn't mean it's a good idea for a desktop!

Agreed!

It looks nice, sure. But just as the work from which it's inspired from, it's designed for a touch interface. The idea of having to flick up the lockscreen wallpaper before you can enter the password to login is completely retarded, especially for desktop use.

Anyways, I don't know on which planet the GNOME team are from. :confused:

[Dan]

Anyways, I don't know on which planet the GNOME team are from. :confused:

Planet Wipe-&-Swipe. (http://www.apple.com/ipad/)

[TK492]

http://www.apple.com/ipad/


Touché! :D

[ElderSnake]

Ewww, Sky-Drive...

I'm sure some folks might appreciate it and none of us have to use the feature, but still, a little surprising in a free desktop. Richo Stallman will be spitting chips ;)

[Dutchy]

Very small features and improvements again. Not much to get excited about.
How about speeding up the initial opening of the applications menu?
This Totem overhaul (https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Videos) actually frightens me, I quite like the current version with the build-in subtitle search and ability to select different sound tracks/languages.
I sincerely dislike IOS & OSx (elegance is ok but I need options to fiddle with), but unfortunately it seems that Gnome is slowly heading that way.

[Dan]

Slowly?!

[deanej]

I think it's very telling that all the "relevant art" on the wiki is of smart phones and tablets. No desktops.

With many of these we can just migrate. But even using Cinnamon and other applications won't save you from the new lock screen!

[DBelton]

What is really telling is this:

I was browsing over on Redhat's bugzilla, and decided to list the packages bugs were filed against..



gnome-shell 666 2.48%




Noticed that Gnome-shell has 666 bugs? hmmmmmm.... coincidence or a nasty foretelling of doom? :lol:

[bigflopper2]

What is really telling is this:

I was browsing over on Redhat's bugzilla, and decided to list the packages bugs were filed against..



gnome-shell 666 2.48%




Noticed that Gnome-shell has 666 bugs? hmmmmmm.... coincidence or a nasty foretelling of doom? :lol:

:D

put the gnome-developers out there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLlSjyZupzU)

[TK492]

:D

put the gnome-developers out there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLlSjyZupzU)

Haha that made my day! :D

[Hewjr100]

Planet Wipe-&-Swipe. (http://www.apple.com/ipad/)
And all along I thought it was planet wipe & Flush

Henry

[tox]

What is really telling is this:

I was browsing over on Redhat's bugzilla, and decided to list the packages bugs were filed against..



gnome-shell 666 2.48%




Noticed that Gnome-shell has 666 bugs? hmmmmmm.... coincidence or a nasty foretelling of doom? :lol:

Gnome Devs stuffed up big time when they released Gnome3 to early. they should of continued with the 2.xx series till Gnome3 was atleast usable. but yes it does spell Dooms day for Gnome sadly enough. but hold on, as one Gnome developer i wont name will say " i havent seen any Bugs reported against Gnome3 at all " i saw one of them say something along those lines over on he Phoronix forum, just goes to show you they are start? to turn a blind eye to the Bugs out there and create new ones by releasing New features instead of fixing up there mess.

with all these Bugs in Gnome3 so far it makes me wonder, will RHEL7 go with Gnome3 or stick to using the last version of Gnome2

hmm i just searched in Redhat Bugzilla for Gnome-shell opened bugs and found 1937 bugs found. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Fedora&content=gnome-shell

[TK492]

Just a wild guess, the GNOME team probably felt rushed to try to come out with something new and "modern" before Windows 8 came out?

with all these Bugs in Gnome3 so far it makes me wonder, will RHEL7 go with Gnome3 or stick to using the last version of Gnome2

I've been asking myself the same question, and I'm also eager to learn what RHEL will settle on. The problem is, customers will have to upgrade their hardware in order to get the full GNOME 3 "experience". Or else fallback mode will be in order and well... that just sucks even more imo. :doh:

[ElderSnake]

Just a wild guess, the GNOME team probably felt rushed to try to come out with something new and "modern" before Windows 8 came out?





Having used both I'd much rather use Gnome-Shell with extensions over Microsoft's Metro any day.

[TK492]

Having used both I'd much rather use Gnome-Shell with extensions over Microsoft's Metro any day.

Oh, of course! My brief experience with Windows 8 was nothing more than a "WTF" fest. Moment after moment, I was left scratching my head wonder how to do the most basic things. The worst was having to click on 3 different settings buttons (each within the other) before actually getting to the settings panel. Big mistake trying to make one single OS to cover both desktop and tablet use. Unfortunately, while both Apple and Microsoft are moving in that direction, GNOME felt the need to do the same. Thankfully we have the choice to use other DEs. :dance:

But as much as GNOME 3 did it wrong, Metro UI does it worst. :D

[bob]

Okay guys, I'm going to chip in my not-asked-for two cents.

I can remember booting Fedora and going "OH WOW"...how the heck do I do anything? Then firing up KDE and ...same thing; followed by Elive and E16-E17. Same thing with blackbox, windowmaker, etc., etc.

All of them had a WTF moment, as did Gnome3. But, if you work with it instead of simply despising it, it might be just great for you. Frankly, I've tweaked Gnome3 to the point that Gnome2 is a backwards step for me.

So guys, my point is this: We worked through the learning process of linux to find something special. It's not for everyone, but it sure is great for many. Same thing for Gnome3 and beyond. We all have tons of options. We have MATE and Cinnamon if we want Gnome-retro, KDE, XFCE or whatever if we want the distro and not the DE. Gnome3x will make many happy and it's a positive step forward. Let's not pan it if we don't love it.

[tox]

just need to read on the fedora-devel or fedora-test lists to see what Gnome3 lacks . im pretty sure AdamW could spell those things out in this thread.

Gnome3 is a Great DE if you dont wanna fart around custimizing your own DE. but if you require something Gnome3 hasnt got, well its useless. Extensions are great when there working for you but when there not, whats the point of Gnome3.

AFAICT, its all XFCE an KDE and window managers now. Gnome has met Dooms day

[bob]

Oh come on now, Greg. We're FEDORA! We constantly move forward, even if it's a bork at times. Want Good, Stable, Useable, etc. ? That's Debian. At Fedora, we push the envelope even if it's anthrax inside. :D

There are a ton of users who enjoy Gnome3 and it's just fine for their purposes. Fortunately, there are a bunch of alternatives if you need something that's better configured for your needs.

All I'm saying is that if it's not good for you, work with MATE, Cinnamon or whatever else approximates Gnome2 or go to another DE or even another distro or...heaven forbid...another OS! It's all options and we've got 'em.

[tox]

Oh come on now, Greg. We're FEDORA! We constantly move forward, even if it's a bork at times. Want Good, Stable, Useable, etc. ? That's Debian. At Fedora, we push the envelope even if it's anthrax inside. :D

There are a ton of users who enjoy Gnome3 and it's just fine for their purposes. Fortunately, there are a bunch of alternatives if you need something that's better configured for your needs.

All I'm saying is that if it's not good for you, work with MATE, Cinnamon or whatever else approximates Gnome2 or go to another DE or even another distro or...heaven forbid...another OS! It's all options and we've got 'em.

sadly, i dont think Cinnamon is perfect atm. maybe F18/3.6 will make me enjoy it again. most of those " ton " of users that enjoy Gnome3 come from Ubuntu which i could understand. i loathe Unity, it has its design flaws. but so does Gnome-shell. i know its Fedora but its still no excuse IMO. the fact is that Gnome-shell was released far to early to the public without giving it more thought and more progress.

[bob]

Okay, we'd have loved it Perfect From The Start, but that's not how it happened. We're not junking it, we're not going backward, but hopefully moving forward in the right direction.

[tox]

Okay, we'd have loved it Perfect From The Start, but that's not how it happened. We're not junking it, we're not going backward, but hopefully moving forward in the right direction . perhaps it will be when Gnome4 comes out :dance:

but i cant see Gnome3 being all that usable till maybe 3.16 ( assuming it survives that long in the wild :p )

[ElderSnake]

I know a lot of people hate Gnome 3 but to be fair there's still a lot that absolutely love it, even though we may not see them around here.

What Gnome 3/Shell does do particularly well is give you a no-frills (depending on your definition) easy to use set up out of the box. For example if I install Arch linux and I want to have a DE up and running quickly with almost everything setup, installing Gnome 3 would get me setup extremely quickly (I've done it before).

But still for those who just cannot tolerate it, thankfully there is plenty of choices.

[gorogoren]

Ain't gnomo hater, in fact what to install to give it a spin: gnomo-shell or gnomo3? i wanna the minimal install...

[Demz3]

this thread could be Closed an sent to " The Dungeon " as Dan calls it :p

[Dan]

Done ... geon.