It's Time For Another Episode of NAME THAT FEDORA RELEASE (Robyn Bergeron)

[bob]

Oh, Beefy Miracle, I have relished your name for months, but as your day for widespread consumption (release day) approaches, it is time for the community to choose the name of Fedora 18. This process begins with *you,* dear readers and contributors, as potential names are accepted for submission over the course of the next week, beginning now, March 20th, and ending March 27th (at 23:59:59 UTC, for those of you who can't mustard up any ideas until the last possible second).

Frankly, I'm expecting an a-bun-dance of suggestions, and not just from people who cannot take my punni-ness any longer. Rules and guidelines for suggestions, as well as the location in which you may make your name suggestions, are on this wiki page: '

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_18

A quick word on details:

You *must* follow the guidelines at the page listed above for your name to be considered. These guidelines include the following items:

* There must be an "is-a" link between the name "Beefy Miracle" (the name of F17) and your suggested name.

* That link must be different from any previous links between release names.

* Names of living people and well-known trademarks will likely be rejected as well.

Schedule details for release naming are also shown on the F18 naming wiki page.

I know that it may be hard to *top* Beefy Miracle (ahahahaha, get it? As in toppings!) but I do have every bit of faith that many of you have already thought of name suggestions that may or may not be more mature, or more neutral with regards to dietary restrictions. :) I do look forward to seeing your suggested names and recommend, as always, to have fun.

Cheers,

-Robyn

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I know you'll all "relish" the opportunity to submit your "frank" suggestions. With the proper name, we may be able to "catch-up" with MS (or at least Ubuntu). With Gnome3, I suppose "must-turd" is an option. :p - (Bob)

[jpollard]

"buggy Miracle" comes to mind... :)

or "Miracle Whipped"....:)

[DBelton]

I like the "Miracle Whipped" name.. :D

[tox]

there missing out a name Does it Work Yet

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here's a name i think is good Juicy Bacon

[nonamedotc]

here's a name i think is good Juicy Bacon


Oh no! Not another release named after food items! (More so because, I am vegetarian ;))

[tox]

Oh no! Not another release named after food items! (More so because, I am vegetarian ;))

i hope so cause i'll tell Pam Anderson if your not :D

[diamond_ramsey]

"buggy Miracle" comes to mind... :)

or "Miracle Whipped"....:)

I like it!!! :)

How about "Possessed Image," "Midnight Madness," "It came from beyond...," "Once upon a time," "The never ending story," and/or "Where's the beef?" :D

[stevea]

I suggest they name it "Gnome3 free" and let ppl figure out how to parse it. free=(libre, as-in-beer, excluded).

Maybe "Eighteen and I LIKE IT" - alice cooper.

The trend has been that fedora names get progressively worse. So I'm expecting something pretty awful.

[sea]

Beefy is-a Miracle, so is Albert Einstein.

[stevea]

Beefy is-a Miracle, so is Albert Einstein.

A brilliant physicist is a miracle ? "Beefy is-a Miracle" ? Maybe the term doesn't translate.
They don't seriously enforce the is-a rule anyway. You can make any sort of is-a
implication without much thought or support.
"X is a dum*ss name for a distro, and so is Y", works.

So what graphical themes do you see for the "Albert Einstein" ?
Geek-with-unkept-hair-on-bicycle ?
It's hard to represent light or non-simultaneous things happenings across the screen.
If you want the nice relativistic distortions as screen savers you might want to
name the distro "Hendrik Lorentz" or "Henri Poincaré" (unsung guys behind that miracle).

[DBelton]

If they seriously enforced the rule, then F17 would never have been named "Beefy Miracle" (unless there was a porn movie or porn star named Verne :lol: )

[Adunaic]

I am not sure where we can go from here. Its a little difficult. Perhaps word games? Anagrams or Synonyms?

Beefy Miracle is a synonym of bulky event and so is a mammoth tide?

I can see the artwork now, surfing mammoths

http://thesaurus.com/browse/miracle?s=t
http://thesaurus.com/browse/beefy

[jpollard]

As far as visuals for Einstein goes..

I remember one showing the unkempt Einstein riding a bicycle, compressed horizontally. Add a color rainbow to the image - red (at the front) to blue (rear of the bicycle), on a star field for the background.

[DBelton]

Something like this? :D

[nonamedotc]

Oh dear god ! :) Einstein himself would be very happy to see that ! ;)

[bob]

Voting for the Fedora 18 release names has begun. You can find the
potential names in the voting application:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/

If you are a Fedora contributor (defined as having signed the FPCA and being
in one other Fedora group in the account system) then you are eligilbe to
vote.


Well, here's the potential names:


Chamoy
Frankfurter
Halva
Ketchy Ketchup
Pamukkale
Pop Soda
Spherical Cow
Tandoori Chicken

There's also a vote on keeping the naming going. Take a careful look at these and realize that if we keep the naming, one of them is going to identify F18. 'Fedora 18: Spherical Cow'..... :doh:

[TK492]

Chamoy
Frankfurter
Halva
Ketchy Ketchup
Pamukkale
Pop Soda
Spherical Cow
Tandoori Chicken


I'm really sorry, but those are all awful names, just when I thought it couldn't get worse than Beefy Miracle. :doh: I was recently looking back at Fedora's list of previous names and I thought that they were all pretty cool for the most part. However, I find that the naming has taken a drop into a downward spiral as of F17. :confused:

[Dan]

Hmmm.

Uhm ... Yeah. I can see where this is gonna end up eventually.

Meadow Muffin
Pasture pie
Corral Cake
Parade pizza ...

Not good. Howz abouts we just call them F(xx) from now on.

[TK492]

Howz abouts we just call them F(xx) from now on.

I'd opt for that! :dance: It holds a certain sense of professionalism within its clean and simple look all while displaying all the information one needs to know.

[tox]

f*x Names, i say we finish calling the releases Names. at the end of the day hardly anybody calls the Release by Name.

Pop Soda is alright but the rest are plain rediculous names

[DBelton]

heck, after the Beefy Miracle name, I was expecting to see Mr. Woody on the list for F18. :lol:

[tox]

i hope they finish with Names after F18 cause there getting stupid with each release

[aleph]

I endorse the name "Tetrodotoxin". The link is manifest: Beefy Miracle works miraculous ways in your body after ingestion, so is Tetrodotoxin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrodotoxin). By the way, Tetrodotoxin does reflect the beneficial effect of Fedora's "there's-nothing-we-can't-or-won't-break" ability on countless Linux users.

[bigant]

IMHO it's good to have a release name instead of just a number not only for marketing reasons. And there were many good proposals on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_18#Suggestion_Table

But I'm not happy about the choice made by the Fedora Board :doh: ... I mean there were many proposed names not related to food and not that silly.

Cheers,
Roman

[jpollard]

Spherical Cow...

Is that another name for "Bloated Cow"?

[DBelton]

Well, my thoughts about the naming problem is this... (and no, I am not going into the reasons for the issue. This isn't the place for that)

The F17 name caused an issue.
The naming of Fedora releases is not a problem, the name for F17 is.

So, remove the offending item, the F17 name. As it stands, they are talking about removing the name from future releases, but leaving the offending item in place.

It's like chopping down an apple tree that has grown hundreds of good apples just because it grew one bad apple. Throw out the bad apple and leave the tree to produce more good apples.

Sure, I think some of the names are crazy, and I have been really poking fun at the F17 name myself, but overall the naming is relatively good fun for a lot of people.

[bob]

Good, bad or indifferent, the reality is that almost nobody refers to Fedora's names. In the 8 years that I've been on the Forum and involved with Fedora, it's always been the version number that's mentioned in the posts. Hmmm...maybe I can illustrate:

Nope, that's not good. Did a search for "verne" and pulled loads of references, mostly in parentheses or referenced, but Verne none-the-less. Ah well, I had a point there...guess it's just on the top of my head. :(

[smr54]

No, you're right. If you're going to be completely literal, then people might mention Verne, or Spartacus--errm, Leonidas, but almost always, in my memory, in conjunction with F11, F12, and so on. I think that in the strictly legal sense, where someone says just answer yes or no, you'd say, yes Verne was frequently used. However, almost always as elaboration.


Meh, if the names give people some fun, leave 'em in.

[DBelton]

That's the way I feel as well. I don't care one way or the other about having a named release, but some people enjoy it, so leave the naming in place.

I was looking over on the mailing list about the debate going on as far as ending the naming, but they still haven't addressed the REAL problem (as I stated above)

The F17 name caused some problems, so they talk about removing the name from future releases, yet nothing was said about the actual offender.

[tbelvin]

Embarrassing.

[tox]

going by a Phoronix story. Ubuntu 12.10 wont be Codenamed ? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTc

[TK492]

going by a Phoronix story. Ubuntu 12.10 wont be Codenamed ? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTc

I read the article and the title can be misleading. It doesn't state that it won't be codenamed, but instead states a few examples at the end of what the name won't be (inadvertently poking fun at Fedora).

[tox]

I read the article and the title can be misleading. It doesn't state that it won't be codenamed, but instead states a few examples at the end of what the name won't be (inadvertently poking fun at Fedora).

i should have known better coming from Phoronix.

[kevmif]

I used to like the idea of release names...... but after attempting to vote on Fedora 18, for the first time I will abstain. I can't believe that this load of drivel was all people could come up with.

Kill off 'Beefy Miracle' before its too late. Restart the process for F17 and F18 and put additional quality controls in place.

I know its just a damn name, but at the end of the day whilst it doesn't affect much to do with the release there is still a sense of pride and community associated with it. How things could have gotten so ridiculously messed up in two releases is a very important question - as a community we have dropped the ball somewhere.... Need to go back, find out where and fix the problem.

Yeah, Beefy Miracle - we all had a (somewhat forced) laugh. Most of us would deal with it for one release - but the flow on is not only unsurprising but detrimental to the project as a whole.

Anyone maybe not too familiar with what all of the hoo-hah is about - refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names

Also, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_release_names - technically the beefy miracle relationship is legitimate, but one would have assumed the board would have stepped in here. Suggest the guidelines quoted below received a thorough review.

Show how the name meets the "is-a" test. For example, "Schnozz is a ____, and so is Keister."

Names for releases N and N+1 must be related, and names for releases N and N+2 cannot share the same relationship.

The "is-a" relationship must be reasonably novel. For example, "is a brand of automobile" is reasonably novel. The relationship "is a brand of automobile only manufactured in Uzbekistan" is much better. The relationship "is a word with seven letters" is not sufficiently novel.

[DBelton]

What I can't figure out is this.

The entire "debate" of ending the release names was brought up due to the F17 name being offensive to some (and no, I'm not going into the details here. This isn't the place)

But, when the complaints about the F17 name came up, they don't fix the reason for the complaint, instead they look at doing away with future names, but still leaving the offensive one in place.

The complaint was NOT about naming Fedora releases. The complaint was and still is the name for F17.

Doing away with future release names does nothing to address the original complaint.

[hadrons123]

a spherical cow .....

worst name ever.

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-April/003067.html

[Dan]

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[nonamedotc]

"Cow" again ?!?! Wonder how this name is beneficial for the Artwork team to theme the release ?! :doh:

[hadrons123]

No sweat . just see here (https://www.google.com/search?q=spherical+cow&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Gbx&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=sSCgT6jtA8iHrAeMq7XQAQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=903).

[AndrewSerk]

Snippet from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow

The phrase comes from a joke about theoretical physicists:

Milk production at a dairy farm was low, so the farmer wrote to the local university, asking for help from academia. A multidisciplinary team of professors was assembled, headed by a theoretical physicist, and two weeks of intensive on-site investigation took place. The scholars then returned to the university, notebooks crammed with data, where the task of writing the report was left to the team leader. Shortly thereafter the physicist returned to the farm, saying to the farmer "I have the solution, but it only works in the case of spherical cows in a vacuum."

It is told in many variants.[2] In Russian, it is called a spherical horse in a vacuum,[3][4] from a joke about a physicist who said he could predict the winner of any horse race to multiple decimal points - provided it was a spherical horse moving through a vacuum.[5] In the TV show The Big Bang Theory a variation of the joke is told with spherical chickens.

The point of the joke is that physicists will often reduce a problem to the simplest form they can imagine in order to make calculations more feasible, even though such simplification may hinder the model's application to reality.

[Dan]

Which, in the case of any given fedora release, makes it the perfect moniker. <..:p..>

[SteveGYBE]

After "Beefy Miracle", I think we should promote inclusiveness with "Vegan Vegetable". Not suggesting a diet devoid of animal protein lowers the intellectual capacity in any way whatsoever ... some of my best mates don't eat dead animals, etc.

Still, better then "Flat Fish" (cold, wet and slightly slimy).

[tox]

another retarded name. guess these names have to follow in conjunction with Gnome3's uglyness

[tbelvin]

Just sounding off out of frustration, but maybe the design team can just use a screenshot of the Cow-Launcher gun in action from the South Park game. "http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/South_Park_(video_game)"

[DBelton]

After the issue with the F17 name, I am really surprised that they allow another "cow" reference.

[tox]

time to get Pamela Anderson involved i think :sarcasm:

actually i wonder if the Gnome3 designers are coming up with these stupid names?

[DBelton]

Really :lol:

I thought Beefy Miracle was the stupidest name possible, but They actually have topped it with the F18 name. :p

[nonamedotc]

After the issue with the F17 name, I am really surprised that they allow another "cow" reference.

Very true! Particularly when such 'interesting' emails (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-April/107515.html) were being sent to mailing list! :doh:

[5hady]

Gentoo has been using the Cow mascot for years...

[ElderSnake]

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Hahahaha, this post says it all :D

Though I am thankful for this name because it gave me the first real laugh of the day :p

It is utterly ridiculous... so bad that it's....good..?

[simpleblue]

Spherical Cow,

I like this new name much better then 'Beefy Miracle'. I was quite surprised to see that some people out there had similar views and had actually stood up and voiced their opinions. I felt helpless to cause change and so just let it happen. I'm glad there is hope out there.

I don't find anything clever or funny about animal exploitation and suffering. The name 'Beefy Miracle', and more so, the play on words that accompanied it in so many of the F18 write-ups disgusted me. Is what these animals go through already not enough?.. Anyway's, like you, I just don't want to hear it.

Also, please don't be thinking we (Vegans/Vegetarians) are just trying to get a message out there to promote veganism when we can hardly get away from seeing meat and dairy ads on a daily basis. When was the last time you saw a TV commercial advertising vegatarianism. Or even a vegetarian product?

To put it into perspective, think about a commercial or adversed product that irritates you the most. Now think of having to be confronted that advertisement every day, several times a day, for the rest of your life. Now think about that advertisement then becoming the new name for Fedora. Would you not feel a little aggravated?

I'm not saying eating meat is wrong. But I am asking others who do it to be respectful about it. I think it's only fair.

[Dan]

By way of a pragmatic solution to the problem of advertising ... several years ago my tolerance point was finally reached and I banished the one-eyed peephole-into-paradise to the bargain table at a yard sale. Most cable/broadcast television these days is basically an electronic sewer line ... and it runs in the wrong direction.

For those not willing to take that step (which is an incredibly liberating experience, by the way) my tier two advice would be to locate the off button ... and use it. Frequently.

About the eating of critters? Weeeell, that one creeps close enough to the realm of political agendas that we'll just leave it at the recognition that some do, and some don't. I pass no judgments either way. But we don't need to debate the subject here.

[cortman]

By way of a pragmatic solution to the problem of advertising ... several years ago my tolerance point was finally reached and I banished the one-eyed peephole-into-paradise to the bargain table at a yard sale. Most cable/broadcast television these days is basically an electronic sewer line ... and it runs in the wrong direction.

For those not willing to take that step (which is an incredibly liberating experience, by the way) my tier two advice would be to locate the off button ... and use it. Frequently.
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+1- I did the same thing 16 years ago, haven't watched TV once since then. One of the best moves I made- like you said, incredibly liberating. I don't know where I'd find the time to now.
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[hostace]

Ayeolus synergy?

[gurutech]

Spherical Cow kinda opens up some possibilities for F19, such as "Oprah Winfrey" or "Roseanne"... LOL

[Dan]

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Accurate or not, that one was just a little on the mean spirited side, don't you think?




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