the f17 pre-alpha is available now,but I can't install it

[chdongsh]

The file is in http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20120127/Fedora/x86_64/iso/
I try to install it from harddisk or usb, but failed .
Any idea?

[tox]

anymore info that " Just failed " would be good. but if you try a Nightly Livecd you may findout why it might fail or not work.

[DBelton]

There may have been a problem with that pre-alpha LiveCD. I notice they have pulled the LiveCD from there and all they have up right now is the DVD and the netinstall.

I was able to get teh 20120127 nightly LiveCD to work fine for me here, though, which I believe is a later build from the one they had up there for the pre-alpha.

[tox]

read these posts http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-January/105161.html some people couldnt get them to boot

[AndrewSerk]

I couldn't get any of the last 3-4 daily builds that I had tried to install. I ended up installing a F16 livecd and pushed it to rawhide.

[tox]

im just about to download 20120130 build of Gnome Desktop. last one didnt boot. KDE did though

[Dutchy]

Didn't work for me, same symptoms as before (in a VM though).

[tox]

hope they fix it or expect a Alpha date slip :)

[uncle guinness]

I tried the latest nightlies. They are booting now, but the installer crashes at partitioning the harddisk.

[tox]

here's the problem im getting and have been for awhile now ( specially that Udev problem ) the Udev one is kinda Newish 1 week Newish anyway

[uncle guinness]

I hope they get it done soon. I'm hungry for the beefy miracle!

[tox]

hope they fix it soon or this release wont be so " beefy "

[diamond_ramsey]

here's the problem im getting and have been for awhile now ( specially that Udev problem ) the Udev one is kinda Newish 1 week Newish anyway

Yup, I tried the i686 .iso and got the same error and ended up in a dracut command mode. :)

[tox]

has me beat, why did the KDE one boot ok ( 201201027 ) but the gnome ones dont?

[Haber_Nir]

i dont test the pre alpha but just for the curiosity the btrfs is the default in the pre alpha??

[tox]

i dont test the pre alpha but just for the curiosity the btrfs is the default in the pre alpha??

since no one can actually test btrfs or a lack of enough testers to verify BTRFS is stable enough i wouldnt hold out to much hope that BTRFS will be default. plus AFAIK ext4 still is far better than BTRFS in some ways. BTRFS is far from being finished as a filesystem

[DBelton]

Once brrfs is closer to being a finished filesystem, I would be willing to test it here. But, I'm not going to even install it until they get a workable filesystem check available.

Seems to me that should have been one of the first things they should have been working on. A new filesystem would have caused issues and had errors, seems like they would have worked on the filesystem check to correct those errors they had while developing the filesystem.

[Haber_Nir]

i just want to ask a little question if the btrfs isn't ready then why redhat dont say that they postpone it to the next release ?
what are they waiting for?

[DBelton]

I feel the same way. It's getting close enough to the F17 deadline that it should be postponed in my opinion.

Even if they do manage to get it in for F17, I wouldn't use it except on my test boxes. My main systems would still be formatted ext4.

Some things, I can deal with running "not quite ready" applications, even on my main machines.. But not the system filesystem. Even if they get btrfs ready, I don't think it should be the default filesystem in F17.

[tox]

i still thinbk they'll post tone it to F18

[DBelton]

:rtfl:

I love what Leigh did to the signature!

Poor detox is always getting messed with :D

[sea]

Since F16 has a wifi bug, i'm going to dl F17, eventhough i didnt want BSE on my netbook.
The last few installs (read 1-2 weeks) i had btrfs on my netbook, didnt face any uncommon issues, other than the wifi thingy on f16, which i hope to get rid of with f17. Muh.

[AndrewSerk]

:rtfl:

I love what Leigh did to the signature!

Poor detox is always getting messed with :D

That's how he knows he is loved :)

[tox]

might ad. i like it to.

[sea]

4 hours later...
F17 nightly (Fedora-17-Nightly-20120130.09-x86_64-Live-lxde.iso) crashed on every attempt to format disk, or even better, on selection of btrfs to be used for format.
In other words, crash when selected the new partition shall become btrfs.
Even without any partition beeing anything else than xfs or ext4, it crashed at last when the format-progress-dialog should apprear.

Even better, allthough i love the bug reporting, it kinda sucks that its reporting f17 would not exists, while running f17 live media.

[tox]

4 hours later...
F17 nightly (Fedora-17-Nightly-20120130.09-x86_64-Live-lxde.iso) crashed on every attempt to format disk, or even better, on selection of btrfs to be used for format.
In other words, crash when selected the new partition shall become btrfs.
Even without any partition beeing anything else than xfs or ext4, it crashed at last when the format-progress-dialog should apprear.

Even better, allthough i love the bug reporting, it kinda sucks that its reporting f17 would not exists, while running f17 live media.

im surprised it even boots , cause it dont for me.

[sea]

Well, once more i ran into catastrophy ;)

After the first few boots, somewhat around 2 hours (been playing simon the sorcerer on the laptop) i got somewhat tired to restructure the disk of the netbook, since it had 3 primarys, but also 80gb of available space... but not in extended.

So to 'speed up', i wiped the disk and created unformated partitions, that at least this part is done already.
To boot into F17 with 3 existing btrfs partitions, wasnt an issue on my samsung, but to get past the partitioning. :(

EDIT
And i REALLY wonder, why is Anaconde such unstable again, there's no introduction of grub2 or systemd to the installer...
Or did i miss something?

[JohnVV]

well it is PRE ALPHA
what do you expect

You might want to register on the dev mailing list
that way you can find out just what needs to be hacked

[tox]

no need to rtegister to the dev list, just bookmark it and read it every morning like i do

[sea]

I was missing something, udev is in change..
didnt watch the boot screen yesterday evening, as i was playing games on the other device ;)