let's talk about SCO

[ewdi]

I did not care so much about SCO vs IBM and etc stuff, but today our faculty has been sent a letter by SCO regarding licensing on our servers and network deplyment in campus.

The content is really rubbish and pisses me off, how could they expect us to pay and threatened us while the procedding is pending?

anyone else have the same rage as i am right now ?

[serpico]

I've read about SCO for months and still don't understand everything. It sounds crazy and everyday it grows as SCO sues everyone. Today was supposed to be a big day for them to announce another big company that they were sueing. Any word yet who?

[Ug]

SCO vs IBM, could someone remind me?

[Lindy]

Visit http://www.groklaw.net P.J has latest and greatest lowdown on SCO v IBM. And as for what I think about SCO? My mom always told me if I couldn't say anything nice about someone then I should'nt say it.
I stepped in some SCO today. I wish the dog could find a better place to do that.

[Jman]

What really upsets me is how they want to profit off of others generosity. Maybe SCO owns some Unix IP, but Linux is Unix-like. SCO hasn't stepped forward and identified what exactly in the Linux kernel infringes on their IP. That says something about their good faith. I just get the feeling that they want to hold Linux development back to the days when their IP was the latest and greatest. That's not what open source is about; open source is about continual open improvement without some propietary license holding it back. Then again, I realize that SCO no longer is a software company, SCO is a litigation company. Let's just say I have my differences with CEO Darl McBride.

[crackers]

Originally posted by Jman
SCO hasn't stepped forward and identified what exactly in the Linux kernel infringes on their IP.

Actually, they have. They claim ownership of Dynix (sp?) code, which became the property of IBM on acquisition. They're trying to stretch their alleged "ownership" of the SysV code to cover all "derivative" works. Said argument also has a lot of legal holes in it.

As was stated above, the Groklaw site has all the dirty details - and usually explained to us code-pounders in something approaching English instead of legal-speak.

Anyone see the latest spew from SCO's pet mouthpiece about the apparent collusion between PJ and IBM? What a load of fertilizer...

[Bison]

SCO is now sueing Autozone.

http://news.com.com/2100-1014_3-5168921.html

[Lindy]

SCO names Auto Zone as their next target. Looks like I'm going to have to do more business with the local Auto Zone store. I hope that they don't cave in to SCO, or make any quick motions to dismiss, and make SCO expend more of their shrinking resources than they really wanted to.

[ewdi]

gosh, those morons at sco should concentrate in improving unixware instead of tossing around their resources in the court

[mike]

Looks like SCO's second target is DaimlerChrysler. Begining to think all McBride wants is a new car :).

http://linuxtoday.com/it_management/2004030302526NWCD

[Lindy]

I love it! For them to take a swing at DaimlerChrysler is like hunting grizzly bear with a BB gun. Its all fun and games until the grizzly gets pissed and rips you to shreads!

I wonder when we'll see Darl's office furniture for sale on ebay?

[serpico]

I can't believe that guy, I watched the video on news.com and he's such a smuck. CEO? Please. He dresses like a used car salesman. Does he even know what he's talking about? DaimlerChrysler, do you think they even know what he's talking about?

Time for the lawyers to come out...

[Lindy]

Just when you think it can't get any stranger it does! But now all of SCO's weirdness makes sense with the news that Microsoft is behind it all to the tune of an $86 million dollar indecient proposal! I'd like to see the SEC ,and the FBI do a joint investigation into this mess if for any reason just to get the facts stright, and proper.

[Jolly]

if u look at the share holding company's
work backwards from sco

u will find that MS has a greater stake then 86 mil

and that these funds where available 12 months before sco started the action

but they were still selling/installing linux till 9 months ago

all the code therefore "is" GPL

[serpico]

I joked with my wife about Bill Gates having some part in this and then this email leaked. Who knows the real truth, but I wouldn't put it past him. If he feels threatened by Linux, what best way to try and create some fear in customers. LOL.

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Jolly
if u look at the share holding company's
work backwards from sco

u will find that MS has a greater stake then 86 mil

but they were still selling/installing linux till 9 months ago

all the code therefore "is" GPL

I was just being conservative with the $86 mil. figure. This is why the SEC or some other gov. agency needs to get in and investigate now before it can become a bigger hairball than it already is.
The GPL issues need to be resolved in court. As you may be aware Fyodor has yanked permission for SCO to distribute nmap as he believes that they have violated section 4 of the GPL... Time will tell, but I wouldn't be putting my money on SCO.

[Ug]

And lets hope that SCO lose.

[Lindy]

Given the flesh eating nature of civil litigation, and that outfits like D-C have more lawyers on payroll than SCO has employees, combined with dubious nature of SCO's claims... I'd be very suprised if their bones wern't bleaching in the sun before long.

[mike]

Here is an interesting article:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595047068,00.html

[ewdi]

pathetic isnt it :)

btw for some who wants to get to know about teh clear case

1. IBM Licensed Unix from SCO
2. IBM develop an additional codes into the Unix for AIX.
3. SCO claimed everything IBM coded will go under derived work which means IBM CAN NOT release the code even IBM is the developer of those codes.
4. IBM gave the code they(IBM) created for AIX unix to the Linux community.
5. SCO claim that those codes are not supposed to be shared, IBM have a different view, IBM code it, they(IBM) feels they have the right over the codes they develop (in common sense, yes)

so yeah, SCO is scumbag

[Ug]

Quite interesting, but nothing new other than the gun thing. Which is kind of humourous.

[ewdi]

hahah, he carry bb gun, ops wait, a paintball gun :)

[ewdi]

nice news guys

Industry sources claim the United States Securities and Exchange Commission is taking an interest in the business activities at The SCO Group, especially with how the company may have received millions in funding from Microsoft.

An SEC staff member told NewsForge that complaints and tips about suspected under-the-table funding, stock-kiting, illegal insider trading, and money-laundering involving Microsoft or Microsoft-connected individuals to the financially struggling SCO Group have been coming into the agency with regularity since last August.

[mhelios]

And, as usual, it doesn't surprise me one bit. Those dogs at M$ are not interested in a fair market, not even a DOJ ruling can hinder them from their dirty moves.

Hopefully, something like this will put an end to this deplorable situation and open up the market for linux as companies realise the "truths" behind M$s corporate affairs..

[Ug]

I don't really dislike Microsoft, they're trying to make their way and everything. But underhand tactics like this aren't on, their monopoly must be broken to allow everyone a fairer choice.

[Lindy]

Originally posted by mhelios

Hopefully, something like this will put an end to this deplorable situation and open up the market for linux as companies realise the "truths" behind M$s corporate affairs..


I hope so too, but then my inner pragmatist tells me that about it will really do is to make them change tactics.

[ewdi]

anpother intresting article
http://www.techdot.com/doc/00180.html

they doint sell as much as they said they were :p

[Ug]

All very interesting.

[Prometheus]

Now this just makes me laugh my ass off.

UNIX Histry lesson:
1. Unix was invented at Atlantic Bell (or one of the bell family of companies) in the late 70s. It was created by an employee, bell was creating an os named multix, for multiple users. An employee made his own os, unix, because it had one (hence uni) user.
2. Apple computer is formed. Bascially, steve jobs took unix and some graphical technology from Xerox and combined the two -- the first mac computer is born.
3. Steve Jobs Big Mistake -
Steve Jobs let Bill Gates enter the Apple facility and poke round with some code - oops. Basically, good ole bill took apple's ideas and thought he could do better (turns out he couldnt though, dumb bastard).
4. Microsoft Formed
Billy boy needed somethign to base "windows" on. He sold IBM dos, which he didnt even own. He then used dos to create his very first, very crappy, windows os. Thanks to increased funding from IBM, who later dropped windows, Microsoft became the giant it is today.

Whats this all mean? BILL GATES OWES HIS FORTUNE TO UNIX! If not for that employee creating his own os at bell, apple computer wouldnt have formed, and billy boy wouldnt have had the chance to steal some of the code used. Ill be damned. Gotta love irony.

Prometheus