Fedora 16 Alpha Test Compose(s) Available Now!

[tox]

Fedora16 RC5 DvD's (http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/16-Alpha.RC5/Fedora/i386/iso/) 32bit

Fedora16 RC5 DvD's (http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/16-Alpha.RC5/Fedora/x86_64/iso/) 64bit

Fedora16 RC5 LiveCD's (http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/16-Alpha.RC4/Live/i686/) 32bit

Fedora16 RC5 LiveCD's (http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/16-Alpha.RC5/Live/x86_64/) 64bit

[ah7013]

Thanks detox,

Downloading the 32-bit DVD now. :)

[tox]

when i see a new Test Compose(s) im just gonna edit the 1st post, not make a New one

[diamond_ramsey]

when i see a new Test Compose(s) im just gonna edit the 1st post, not make a New one

+1, detox!!! :)

I appreciate your link information. ;)

[ah7013]

Finished downloading and installed Alpha TC1 KDE on a VM :)

[andrew@localhost ~]$ rpm -q kernel kdebase
kernel-3.0.0-1.fc16.i686
kdebase-4.7.0-1.fc16.i686
[andrew@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 16 (Rawhide)


Going to try this on some real hardware soon.

[tox]

im interested in Gnome, have they improvved on the lack of stuff in control-center

[AdamW]

note that TC1 has quite a few bugs, this is really for validation only. if you're testing it it'd be greatly appreciated if you could contribute your results to the validation pages:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_16_Alpha_TC1_Install
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_16_Alpha_TC1_Base
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_16_Alpha_TC1_Desktop

but check first whether bugs you find have already been reported, many already have (such as the inability of network installs to work as they can't find the repository). thanks all!

[tox]

Adam

how come the LiveCD's of Gnome arent building?

[AdamW]

detox: read the logs!

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=3247022&name=livecd.log is for today.

Error creating Live CD : Failed to build transaction : empathy-3.1.3-4.fc16.x86_64 requires libcogl.so.1()(64bit)

so, there's a dependency issue there. I think cogl got a bump recently, so empathy will need a rebuild.

[AdamW]

actually, it looks like there's a few things depending on cogl that needed a rebuild, and they all have been rebuilt - but the rebuilds didn't make it into the repo the nightly composes are using yet.

[tox]

so we can expect a working Nightly or a TC1 liveCD next week or no?

[AdamW]

nightly, depends when the tree gets updated. tc1, there ought to be one, we're still trying to get releng to put it out.

[tox]

ohh ok, thanks Adam , i shall keep my eye out if/when there will be a LiveCD

[arowana]

idea download a KDE LiveCD and yum Gnome up Note: People might wanna install this on a seperate partition once Gnome is installed you could possibly remove KDE unless you wanted it there for a backup

good idea, but is there any difference to gnome desktop in F15 at a moment? I would like to see some improvement and solved problems ... maybe someone who made it can comment on this

[tox]

good idea, but is there any difference to gnome desktop in F15 at a moment? I would like to see some improvement and solved problems ... maybe someone who made it can comment on this

yeah there is, im sure i posted some screenshots of i

]Gnome 3.2 Feature list with screenshots of whats new (https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features)

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Picture of thee New Totem (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K5dMB-Yth8I/TZoDguQ4kuI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/Gh-ULZJOzXI/s1600/totem-dark.png)

[AdamW]

not all the planned gnome 3.2 features are done yet, but some of them are, and f16 has gnome 3.1.4, so yeah, there are some differences.

[tox]

not all the planned gnome 3.2 features are done yet, but some of them are, and f16 has gnome 3.1.4, so yeah, there are some differences.

ohh ok, what features wont be in 3.2?

[AdamW]

i mean, stuff planned for 3.2 is still being worked on so isn't in 3.1.4.

[tox]

i mean, stuff planned for 3.2 is still being worked on so isn't in 3.1.4.

thats pretty much understandable that they'd still be working oin them, think i'l give the Alpha a try when it officially comes out which should have 3.1.5 ?

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btw, has the Alpha officially slipped yet? i saw on i think the devel list that there were quite a few remainding blocker bugs to be done. i think i saw you talking about slipping the Alpha by a week or so?

[firefexx]

Hi,
this is the first time I want to test a new Fedora release in a virtual machine.
I have a questing concerning upcoming alpha and beta releases.

Should I download every new image from fedora project and start with a fresh install in the vm or can I download the current iso and run yum update to be up to date even if there are new alpha or beta images available?!?

bye

[tox]

Hi,
this is the first time I want to test a new Fedora release in a virtual machine.
I have a questing concerning upcoming alpha and beta releases.

Should I download every new image from fedora project and start with a fresh install in the vm or can I download the current iso and run yum update to be up to date even if there are new alpha or beta images available?!?

bye
no you dont, just keep updating it regularly. when the official Alpha comes out i would possibly do a clean install as most blocker bugs should be fixed prior to Alpha. after that just keep updating regularly

[firefexx]

Ok, thank you :)

[tox]

no problemo :)


updated post #1 also

[AdamW]

if you just want to run f16 then you can simply keep upgrading.

if you want to help us out as much as possible, it's really good to check out installation with each new candidate build, just to see if we managed to break something =)

[tox]

during the Nightly LiveCD startup it gets into plymouth but fails to load a service * system-log-veiwer* i think it is

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it still fails to get to GDM so i can login . its happened on the previous RC1 LivCD also

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updated post #1 to RC2

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any chance F16 will get the 3.1 kernel?

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i'll try the RC2 Livecd in the morning and will report back

[AdamW]

that was a known issue in rc1, booting with selinux disabled ought to fix it. rc2 and rc3 should be okay.

[tox]

that was a known issue in rc1, booting with selinux disabled ought to fix it. rc2 and rc3 should be okay.

i'll download RC2 and let you know how i go.

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i'll update the first post to RC3

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so Adam, using the LiveCD's people will have to use selinux=0 to try the LiveCD ? going by this post http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-August/101757.html and yours afterwards

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ok im in the LiveCD F16 RC3. works ok, not Great but ok, System-settings crashed on me, ABRT didnt catch it. before it logged into the Desktop ABRT did send some kinda Bug off. what bug it was i dunno.. i still cant see many changes in 3.2 with the shell

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i just tried Empathy, im impressed with it. i'll only use it for irc

[AdamW]

yeah, selinux bug didn't get fixed in rc3 as it turns out. rc4 should fix it.

[tox]

any ideas when RC4 will be out?

[smr54]

Just tried RC3 in a VM. When I did my usual quick VM partition of / and swap, it failed to install the bootloader. I had to first put in a 1 or 2 MB BIOS boot partition for it to work. (When I didn't, I got a warning that I was booting GPT without EFI, or perhaps the opposite.)

I haven't heard much about this, so don't know if it's one of those Just Me things, or if, at this early date, most folks are accepting default partitioning and not running into it.


I haven't been able to install it to actual hardware, but I'll take the blame for that, as I was using the (not supported) Unetbootin, so it's quite possibly their issue.

[kslair]

Tried netinstall iso onto VirtualBox.
The installation went good with all the defaults.

Guest Addition dosen't know new X.Org.
Looks like we need the "Update from VirtualBox".

BTW, I was surprised to see Guest Addition works on Ubuntu 11.10 alpha 3 in VirtualBox!

[AdamW]

smr: yes, you do need such a partition, as we're using GPT disk labels by default in F16.

detox: when we have the blockers fixed.

[smr54]

Adam, thank you (as always) for the quick answer. I think that aspect should be made well-known. The error message that I got when I didn't make that BIOS partition was somewhat cryptic to me, and I suspect, will be to others. Additionally, it said, you may not be able to boot, not you won't be able to boot.

If I remember correctly, it was something like you are booting an EFI partition without GPT or GPT without EFI. It would have been far more helpful if the message said something to the effect of put in a 1 MB BIOS partition or it won't boot.

I suspect at this point in development, changing the message is non-trivial, which is why I think it should be publicized as much as possible.

[tox]

detox: when we have the blockers fixed. ok thanks, how many blockers are there? or do you have a link where i can see them all?

[ah7013]

ok thanks, how many blockers are there? or do you have a link where i can see them all?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers

[tox]

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers

thanks dude.. so 16 Bugs all up

[tox]

i believe there is only 1 bug out standing which is the RPM Bug http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-August/155587.html

[EMOziko]

Any virtualisation solution for installing F16? I tried virtualbox but there is no gnome-shell :(

[smr54]

I haven't tried Gnome in VirtualBox. Sometimes, if, in the display settings, you choose 3D acceleration, it will work after installing guest additions, but if I remember correctly, the last time, it took VirtualBox awhile before it could do Gnome 3. (Memory is hazy though--however, probably worth at least trying adding the 3D acceleration and guest additions--assuming, of course, that you haven't already done that.

[EMOziko]

I haven't tried Gnome in VirtualBox. Sometimes, if, in the display settings, you choose 3D acceleration, it will work after installing guest additions, but if I remember correctly, the last time, it took VirtualBox awhile before it could do Gnome 3. (Memory is hazy though--however, probably worth at least trying adding the 3D acceleration and guest additions--assuming, of course, that you haven't already done that.

I checked 3D acceleration in settings and installed guest additions but there was error about unsupported x.org version and guest additions did not installed x.org drivers. and gnome-shell dont working :(

[tox]

RC4 Released Links in First Post

[smr54]

Wellll, I tried to install this one, again using unetbootin--yeah, not supported, I know. At any rate, added that Bios boot partition, the install failed again, and Arch, which was booting the test laptop, couldn't boot, I assume because I'd added that boot partition (as grub was in the MBR).

I haven't taken a good look at the docs yet, but it seems as if one is going to have to be careful installing it on a multiboot machine. Guess I'm going to have to wait till it works a little better before trying again. (For the record, I was able to restore it by booting with arch install CD, doing a chroot and reinstalling grub.)

[tox]

i wont insta;; it till the beta comes out but i'll test to see if it still crashes once in the DE. gnome-settings-deamon crashed in RC3 also a few other things crashed which i think i mentioned in a previous post in this thread plymouth-veiwer-logging also crashed . 2 others crashed in RC3 also i cant think of what they were but i'll report back here if i get other crashes either that or report them with ABRT :p

[tox]

ok, here's the first problem with RC4, i had the same problem with RC3

in Sound Settings when pressing on a sound to play it continuaslly plays, to stop it, you have to Press X to force Quit , can anyone else reproduce that problem in the LiveCD ?

again i got a Selinux AVC denial when it loaded the shell

udisk-deamon AVC denial

[tox]

when i Load the icon Contacts it loads but when i click on the Down Arrow and i get a plain white small Box and then crashes. dunno if thats cause i dont have F16 installed for it to work correctly?

hmm interesting,

leigh. if i post another with a Attachment with it like i have done it doesnt put the post in the previous post as you see there. a Bug in the plugin?

[tox]

maybe we could expect a RC5

[kslair]

Ran rc4 netinstall iso onto VirtualBox.
It got worse. I couldn't boot the installed system this time.

The installation went okay. However at the first boot, it got stuck.
Virualbox vdi is on raid0 disk. This seems to be the problem in rc4.

[tox]

Hey, folks. Just a quick heads-up to expect F16 Alpha RC5 within the
next hour or two. We have the go/no-go meeting (again) tomorrow so we're
really squeezed for time in validating this, if people could help out
with testing that'd be great. The official announcement on test-announce
will have all the details, just wanted to let everyone know it was
coming. thanks! http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-August/155637.html From Adam himself :) .. looks like there maybe a RC5 afterall

[smr54]

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER!!!!
I've only been casually following testing list, so all of this could be completely incorrect.


If I'm reading the testing list right, at this point, unless you go with one of the default configs, it won't install. This is apparently not an alpha blocker, if it will install when you choose one of the default options, including use free space. (It will be considered a blocker later on, though, again, as far as I understand from casually following testing).

As I mentioned, when I tried, well, firstly, I used custom partitioning, and secondly, the EFI thingie messed up other installed distros with it. I remember someone writing about a preview of installing Fedora and mentioning that question about the EFI and dual boot issue.

Ah, here's the article

http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/08/08/feature-preview-of-fedora-16-installer/

[tox]

Updated First Post to RC5

[AdamW]

smr54: not completely incorrect, but slightly wrong. What's true is that only 'use entire disk', 'use free space', and 'replace existing Linux partitions' install methods are _required to work_ at Alpha stage. Custom partitioning is not _required_ to work. That doesn't mean that it won't work, just that if there are bugs down that path, they don't block the Alpha.

In reality what tends to happen is that some custom layouts work and others don't. Custom partitioning is a huge area, and it's rare that either it's completely broken - no custom layout works - or completely fine - every custom layout works. We're always somewhere in the middle.

For Final, we have a criterion that any theoretically valid layout should work, but that's a pretty high bar and we don't explicitly validate it by trying _every possible custom partition layout_, that'd be impossible. What it really means is that if someone files a bug on a custom layout that doesn't look completely ridiculous, we make it a blocker.

[AdamW]

If anyone has time, please do help out with the RC5 validation: we need all the Alpha validation tests complete by tomorrow afternoon, so we're tight on time.

Also, if you're not following the validation tests explicitly but you try RC5 and hit what looks like a bad bug, please post about it here, and I'll check it out and see if it's something we need to worry about for the release. Thanks!

[tox]

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-August/155638.html , people can get the links from there to Validate how it went

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ok i just tried F16 RC5, all went well though thats the LiveCD , i didnt install it. only thing i noticed, it didnt use the PAE kernel where my F15 does ( i have 4gigs ram btw )

[AdamW]

live images can only have a single kernel, by design - it's an entire system image compressed and dumped on a disc, it can't really pick from multiple kernels. so we use the non-PAE kernel, since it has greater hardware compatibility.

if you did a traditional install, you'd get the PAE kernel.

[tox]

ohh ok, thanks for the explanation. i might wait for the official Alpha.

btw have they fixed up the problem with glibc? the one in F15 had scriptlet errors. i did google it but found a redhat bugzilla on the 2.13 one having rather the same error im having . i could probably find the redhat bugzilla link but i'll leave that for tomorrow unless i look for it later

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here's one https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682245

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as it states in that Bug to reinstall glibc-common which i just did by using the

yum reinstall glibc-common command

[AdamW]

yeah, I noticed that but it doesn't cause any issues afaict. rc5 is looking likely to go out as Alpha.

[Ssl]

I tried f16 alpha rc5 32bit livecd compose, unfortunately first screen that appear and it is even before gdm login greeter is, I believe, gnome-shell's black screen with Oooops message and logout button. If I logout and choose fedora automatic login from greeter it tries to login and again I am presented with Oooops screen. ctrl_alt_delete after that present gdm login screen again and it somehow helps to log into gnome 3.
Maybe of interest graphic card is an ati radeon 5450 discrete. lscpi snippet:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]

Also, I have noticed trying RC4 this time, that firefox was at 5.0 version - I believe some earlier composes had 6.0 pre-release, not much of interest for alpha release I know...

[dd_wizard]

I happen to have a recently emptied 40GB partition on which I'd like to install F16 alpha RC5. The download link in the first post is pretty slow for me. Do any of the alphas or betas get pushed through bit torrent?

Thanks,
dd_wizard

[tox]

I happen to have a recently emptied 40GB partition on which I'd like to install F16 alpha RC5. The download link in the first is pretty slow for me. Do any of the alphas or betas get pushed through bit torrent?

Thanks,
dd_wizard

yeah they should be downloadable via torrent when the Alpha is released

[dd_wizard]

Thanks, detox. I may have to wait until then.

dd_wizard

[tox]

any idea when Gnome-shell-3.1.5 will be built?

[arowana]

after rc4 live cd failed during boot process, rc5 worked for me ... still could not see much difference in gnome shell

however, looking forward to see it becoming more complete and stable

thanks everyone involved

[tox]

after rc4 live cd failed during boot process, rc5 worked for me ... still could not see much difference in gnome shell

however, looking forward to see it becoming more complete and stable

thanks everyone involved

GS-3.1.5 hasnt even been built yet which also doesnt show up in the gnome ftp site . im guessing that will be where you see a difference

[tox]

going by this http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=259609 GS-3.1.5 git version. we probably wont see any differences with the shell till 3.1.90

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im still thinking about installing the Alpha, i dunno if i will or wait till the beta. i do find 3.1.4 pretty stable and since RC5 was stable for me i may install it :) i just gotta backup a few things before i trash F15

[lewis41]

Hello and well found here. :)
Do you have problems in updating evolution to 3.1.5? I have dependency problems.

Installed f16 RC 4
Many thanks
Luigi

[tox]

Hello and well found here. :)
Do you have problems in updating evolution to 3.1.5? I have dependency problems.

Installed f16 RC 4
Many thanks
Luigi

ever tried yum update --skip-broken

[lewis41]

With --skip-broken i get:

Packages skipped because of dependency problems:
evolution-3.1.5-1.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
evolution-NetworkManager-3.1.5-1.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
evolution-data-server-3.1.5-1.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
evolution-help-3.1.5-1.fc16.noarch from updates-testing
gnome-panel-3.1.5-2.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
gnome-panel-libs-3.1.5-2.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
1:nautilus-sendto-3.0.0-7.fc16.i686 from updates-testing

[tox]

With --skip-broken i get:

Packages skipped because of dependency problems:
evolution-3.1.5-1.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
evolution-NetworkManager-3.1.5-1.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
evolution-data-server-3.1.5-1.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
evolution-help-3.1.5-1.fc16.noarch from updates-testing
gnome-panel-3.1.5-2.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
gnome-panel-libs-3.1.5-2.fc16.i686 from updates-testing
1:nautilus-sendto-3.0.0-7.fc16.i686 from updates-testing

did your other updates install or no?

[lewis41]

Oh yes, all others updated regularly: only evolution gave problem.

After the f16 install i did the update from the updates-testing repo.
Enabled the rpmfusion too, from where i installed the driver (ffmpeg and suches) to listen the radio.

Anyway I'll wait for new updates, that will resolve the problem.

Ok There is already a bug for this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=731617

[glennzo]

So I've attempted to install RC5 to 2 different partitions, /dev/sda6 and /dev/sda11 with poor results. The installer crashes. I've been reading through this thread and checking out bugzilla. I see EFI and GTP mentioned. Maybe this has something to so with my errors. Can anyone point me to information that may be relevant?

[smr54]

I don't think it's been written up yet. That EFI/GTP error means that you have to create a small (1-2MB) BIOS partition. A bug was filed about the wording, but a few people are arguing that there's no need for an error message that people can understand. (I'm exaggerating for comic effect of course, but there are, to my surprise, people who feel the current error message, which few people understand, is sufficient.

However, keep in mind that if you put in this BIOS partition, it's probably going to mess up your current system's grub, and to be able to boot, you are going to have to boot up with some sort of rescue disk and reinstall it. At present, I think it's only working if you choose one of the default partitioning schemes, that is, use entire disk or replace existing Linux partitions--I think it's also supposed to work if you choose use all free space, but it seems if you disagree at all with the way it uses this free space, and try to move something somewhere else, or, it will still fail--at least it has for me.

I've only been able to, so far, install it on a VM and IIRC, I had to let it use default partitioning, though I was able to uncheck the use LVM before doing so.

[glennzo]

Hello Scott. I too have only been able to install F16 under a VM using the default partitioning scheme. No issues there, however, I'm not going to risk my main 12 partition hard disk just to test F16. If I can't successfully use an existing partition I'm out. I'll wait until that is fixed.

[lewis41]

Sorry my ignorance but why you talk about EFI & GTP? I apprend here that this is a new partition table scheme.
When cames up an issue with this those stuffs?

Thanks

P.S: I've an old PC (P4 1.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM, GeForce 5200MX)

[smr54]

The issue that I ran into was this. In the past, I have always installed Fedora in some free space, choosing to custom partition. I usually, when testing, put it on a machine that already has something on it, so all I usually use is a / partition--I don't even put in a /boot partition.

In this case, when I did so, there was an error message about booting GPT without EFI or vice versa. The message was, to me, (and apparently others), somewhat ambiguous, and what it meant was that one must add a small BIOS partition.

The problem is, at this early stage, that for some people, (Glenn and me at least), when one does this, the install fails.

For alpha, this is probably OK. As Adam explains in another post, what is required (that is, to not block the release) is that it works if you choose to use free space, remove existing Linux installs and install, or use entire disk. Why it is causing a problem, I don't know, I suspect the developers are working on that.

So, to answer at least part of your question, problems with this stuff comes up if you try to do custom partitioning.

[dd_wizard]

Well, no luck here so far. RC5 runs fine from a live USB stick. But I've been unable to install the live image, the install DVD, or netinstall from an HDD. Perhaps the issue is that I'm trying to install on an external USB HDD, I'm not sure. I've tried installing in free space as well as a custom layout. No way I'm blowing away my stable F15 install on the internal HDD. :rolleyes:

dd_wizard

[5hady]

I had the bootloader crash at the end of the F16 install. I guess that is the same thing you guys experienced?

[tox]

I had the bootloader crash at the end of the F16 install. I guess that is the same thing you guys experienced?

that would of been Anaconda, not Grub ( bootloader ) , if it crashed at the end of install that would be an Anaconda crash. but you didnt really suply much detail, when you installed it or tried to did you make any Custom changes to the install during install process

[ryptyde]

Installed live 32 bit rc5 on a flash drive then installed to a Acer Aspire One netbook. Install went smoothly with the default partitioning scheme.
Just now ran "yum update --skip-broken" and there were 13 packages skipped but I expect that at this stage. Rebooted to the 3.0.1-3 kernel and all is well so far. :)

phil

[5hady]

that would of been Anaconda, not Grub ( bootloader ) , if it crashed at the end of install that would be an Anaconda crash. but you didnt really suply much detail, when you installed it or tried to did you make any Custom changes to the install during install process

Yes it was at the end of the install and I was installing Grub to a specified partition, and not using the automatic partition scheme or using the whole disk.

[tox]

Yes it was at the end of the install and I was installing Grub to a specified partition, and not using the automatic partition scheme or using the whole disk. the default works, just not custom partitions atm so yeah it would of crashed

[AdamW]

One major limitation with Alpha that's probably hitting a lot of you is this:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=730915

You can't install the bootloader to a partition, it must be installed to the MBR. This is likely what's causing trouble in a lot of the above cases.

[tox]

might as well as close this thread.

[AdamW]

Common bugs entry for the issue (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs#grub2-partition-fail). There's a sorta workaround.

[dokuro]

at the end of yum update --skip i get, Error: Protected multilib versions: gnome-panel-libs-3.0.2-3.fc16.i686 != gnome-panel-libs-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64

and this are skipped...
Packages skipped because of dependency problems:
1:control-center-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
1:control-center-filesystem-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
empathy-3.1.5.1-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
evolution-data-server-3.1.5-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
1:folks-0.6.0-5.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-contacts-0.1.2-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-keyring-3.1.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-keyring-pam-3.1.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-menus-3.1.5-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-panel-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-shell-3.1.4-2.gite7b9933.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
libsocialweb-0.25.19-1.fc16.x86_64 from fedora
libsocialweb-keys-0.25.19-1.fc16.noarch from fedora
p11-kit-0.3-2.fc16.x86_64 from fedora
p11-kit-0.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing

nothing gets updated...

[tox]

at the end of yum update --skip i get, Error: Protected multilib versions: gnome-panel-libs-3.0.2-3.fc16.i686 != gnome-panel-libs-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64

and this are skipped...
Packages skipped because of dependency problems:
1:control-center-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
1:control-center-filesystem-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
empathy-3.1.5.1-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
evolution-data-server-3.1.5-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
1:folks-0.6.0-5.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-contacts-0.1.2-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-keyring-3.1.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-keyring-pam-3.1.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-menus-3.1.5-2.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-panel-3.1.5-3.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
gnome-shell-3.1.4-2.gite7b9933.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing
libsocialweb-0.25.19-1.fc16.x86_64 from fedora
libsocialweb-keys-0.25.19-1.fc16.noarch from fedora
p11-kit-0.3-2.fc16.x86_64 from fedora
p11-kit-0.4-1.fc16.x86_64 from updates-testing

nothing gets updated...
what yum plugins do you have installed?

[bennachie]

@AdamW

Thanks for the Fail Whale tip - I was able to install the Gnome version (Alt-F4 just gave me a standard G3 desktop, without any indication being given of what had caused the problem in the first place). I had no difficulty in installing in customised partitions (but with the Grub in MBR). While Thunderbird 7 and, to a lesser extent, Firefox are still - understandably - a bit flaky, the basic system seems reasonably stable.

Not at all bad for an alpha, although no doubt I and others will unearth a few interesting bugs over the weekend. The KDE version seems to be working particularly well at the moment.

I had (sort of - I'm not really that naive) hoped that the move to Grub2 would be eased by the Fedora developers being able and willing to take advantage of all the hard work that has been done by their counterparts in Ubuntu, so it's a bit disappointing to see that NIH still rules ...

[dokuro]

and today i saw the "you have updates" message and the alpha updated... no problems...

[AdamW]

bennachie: what do you mean by NIH exactly?

[tox]

bennachie: what do you mean by NIH exactly?

has me beat what he means by NH also, perhaps its a new bootloader? :p

[dokuro]

I just found out that i hace 2 brasero icons (2 in sound and one in universal acces) and 2 rythmbox icons on sound... why?

[tox]

I just found out that i hace 2 brasero icons (2 in sound and one in universal acces) and 2 rythmbox icons on sound... why?

thats a Bug, i had Double of a few programs in Gnome also. the same problem happened in F15's Gnome also , you may wanna file it in Bugzilla

[arowana]

for the duplicated icons, saw the colorimeter app had three icons here, looks like every option gets an own icon ...