No "shutdown" in menu

[daviddoria]

In the menu when I click my username in the top right, I see "log off" but not "shutdown" or "restart". Once I logoff I then see the top right icon change to the "power button" icon, at which point I can shutdown or restart. Is this two step shutdown intentional?[COLOR="Silver"]

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If you hold alt before clicking the menu (or while the menu is opened) "suspend" turns into "power off". This seems unnecessarily confusing...

[simpleblue]

A forum member made a program that will put the 'Power Off..." button in the menu.

It can be found here:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=261306


I have it installed and it works great for me.

[ovadyah]

In the menu when I click my username in the top right, I see "log off" but not "shutdown" or "restart". Once I logoff I then see the top right icon change to the "power button" icon, at which point I can shutdown or restart. Is this two step shutdown intentional?[COLOR="Silver"]

---------- Post added at 03:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:31 PM ----------

If you hold alt before clicking the menu (or while the menu is opened) "suspend" turns into "power off". This seems unnecessarily confusing...

have you tried suspend? it works better (faster) than power off on all my machines.

[VastOne]

A forum member made a program that will put the 'Power Off..." button in the menu.

It can be found here:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=261306


I have it installed and it works great for me.

I think this is the one you meant...

GNOME Shell Extensions - RPM for testing (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=261189)

[cgrim]

When you click on your user name and hold "Alt" key "Power off" option will appear on (it works without installing any extension).

[AntMan]

When you click on your user name and hold "Alt" key "Power off" option will appear on (it works without installing any extension).

Good find. ;)

I'm wondering though, why it is so hidden from view?!?:confused:

[frandavid100]

So, is there a rationale for hiding it by default?

[fpmurphy]

The rational was that more people simply wish to suspend/resume their system rather than power it on or off.

[Piscium]

I suspend my PCs far more often than I power them off. But not every user knows that if he/she has unsaved files and there is a power failure they will lose data, so in my opinion it is not a good idea to hide Power Off from the user.

What some versions of Windows have or had, is that they show either Suspend or Hibernate according to some key being pressed, it might even be Alt. This makes more sense to me, but I prefer to always be offered all the options, so in Windows XP I changed the default login menu to have them all.

[Igby]

I think this is the one you meant...

GNOME Shell Extensions - RPM for testing (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=261189)
They're already in the repos:

$ yum info gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu
Geladene Plugins: langpacks, presto, remove-with-leaves
Installierte Pakete
Name : gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu
Arch : noarch
Version : 3.0.0
Release : 5.6d56cfgit.fc15
Size : 4.4 k
Repo : installed
From repo : fedora
Summary : For those who want a power off item visible at all the time
URL : http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions
License : GPLv2+
Beschreibung : For those who want a power off item visible at all the time, replaces
: GNOME Shell status menu with one featuring separate Suspend and Power Off.
: Adds the ability to hibernate as well.

[megaloman]

I suspend my PCs far more often than I power them off. But not every user knows that if he/she has unsaved files and there is a power failure they will lose data, so in my opinion it is not a good idea to hide Power Off from the user.

What some versions of Windows have or had, is that they show either Suspend or Hibernate according to some key being pressed, it might even be Alt. This makes more sense to me, but I prefer to always be offered all the options, so in Windows XP I changed the default login menu to have them all.

I'll second that - "Power off" should be displayed by default. Suspend makes no sense on desktop computers unless user has an APC installed or something similar. On notebooks and laptops "Suspend" option is not required or essential, as simply closing a lid will suspend it. Hence "Power off" should be presented to the user by default.

I am still impressed who simple solutions can be made complex and difficult for regular users by Gnome folks.

Oh, and have a look at mac os - there is no "Suspend" option - users simply close their lids to suspend their computers. I do the same with my spare laptop.

[cgrim]

They probably wanted to secure users against unwanted clicking on "power off", but why when there is another asking dialog?
Megaloman you are right that it's making simple solutions more difficult for regular users. I really don't understand why not to put both possibilities there? Will be that pop-up too long? :-)

[dougallen]

I have installed the Gnome extension and find the addition of the Power Off option a useful addition.

However, I see mention of it adding hibernate too, but it appears not to do so at the moment. Is this a quirk of my configuration, or does it not do that yet? I'd appreciate any clarification, please.

Doug

[fpmurphy]

If the GNOME Shell extension you installed is called alternative-status-menu, then yes it should display a menu option called "Hibernate" just above the "Power Off..." menu option. If you question is really about why hibernate does not work for you, that is dependent on your particular hardware.

[Nijabo]

Hold down the alt-key when in the menu. Switches Suspend into Power Off...

[DBelton]

I'll second that - "Power off" should be displayed by default. Suspend makes no sense on desktop computers unless user has an APC installed or something similar. On notebooks and laptops "Suspend" option is not required or essential, as simply closing a lid will suspend it. Hence "Power off" should be presented to the user by default.

I am still impressed who simple solutions can be made complex and difficult for regular users by Gnome folks.

Oh, and have a look at mac os - there is no "Suspend" option - users simply close their lids to suspend their computers. I do the same with my spare laptop.

Actually, the suspend on laptop lid close should be configurable depending upon power source.

For instance, I run my laptop with the lid closed most of the time since it's plugged into a docking station and uses my main monitor, keyboard and mouse, so I don't want it to suspend even though the lid is closed.

But, if I close the lid when it's not plugged into the docking station, I want it to hibernate and not suspend. Suspend still uses power, plus there is a risk of losing data if the battery runs completely down.

I never use suspend on any of my systems. Desktop systems are powered off, laptops hibernate or power off.

Sorry, but I care too much about my data to use suspend.

[dougallen]

Thank you both for your responses.

I'm aware of the Alt key option and it works fine, but it simply switches between Suspend and Power Off. It does not address the hibernate issue.

Yes, the extension I installed was gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu-3.0.0-5.6d56cfgit.fc15. It is noarch of course, but in case it might be relevant, I am using the 64-bit f15 system (rather than 32-bit). The extension seems to have added the Power Off option below the Suspend option. So the Suspend option is immediately above the Power Off option. There is no Hibernate option visible at all.

I'd welcome any views on why it doesn't seem to be fully working for me.

Many thanks

Doug

[RahulSundaram]

Hi

The one you have installed is a older version. In that, using the alt key should change suspend to hibernate, in the latest version which I have

$ rpm -q gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu
gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu-3.0.1-1.f016b9git.fc15.noarch

It shows both by default.

[dougallen]

Thank you very much for the update.

You are right that my extension was the older version. I have updated it to the version in the Test Updates repo, which is the version you identified. However, this has not fixed the problem. The menu has now reverted to showing only the Suspend option, which flips to Power Off with the Alt key. There is no separate Power Off entry in the menu now, and still no hibernate. It's as if the extension has not installed.

I'd be grateful for any thoughts on what might be happening.

Doug

[g00ey]

poweroff in the Terminal is how I get by. But I have the problem that when I want to poweroff or reboot the machine it frequently hangs in the turquoise fedora poweroff/shutdown splash screen.

So it is starts to look like Windows XP. I dare you to get me going on the shutdown problems I had on that operating system ...

[dougallen]

Further to my most recent post, I tried installing another extension. It was gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu. After the install, there is no sign of it.

So maybe my problem is a more general one of extensions not working, rather than something specific to a particular one.

I recall there was a bugfix in this general area of the Gnome shell.

Doug

PS: The comment about Windows XP is history, I believe. I have to use Windows 7 infrequently for some specific applications, and am content with it in that context. My main system is Fedora, having used Ubuntu, OpenSUSE and Mandriva on the way. I must say I am extremely happy with Fedora, and want to iron out the few wrinkles that keep it from being absolutely superb.

[YeOK]

Further to my most recent post, I tried installing another extension. It was gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu. After the install, there is no sign of it.

So maybe my problem is a more general one of extensions not working, rather than something specific to a particular one.

I recall there was a bugfix in this general area of the Gnome shell.

Doug

PS: The comment about Windows XP is history, I believe. I have to use Windows 7 infrequently for some specific applications, and am content with it in that context. My main system is Fedora, having used Ubuntu, OpenSUSE and Mandriva on the way. I must say I am extremely happy with Fedora, and want to iron out the few wrinkles that keep it from being absolutely superb.

While in Gnome-Shell, hit ALT+F2, type lg and hit enter. Then Select the Errors tab. It will show you why an extension isn't loading.

More info here:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/LookingGlass

[dougallen]

Ah. Thank you for this tip.

I ran lg and in the Errors tab there were entries for both the extensions that I tried. The entries were identical, except for the name obviously. They were:

While loading extension from "/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/alternative-status-menu@gnome-shelll-extensions.gnome.org": extension is not compatible with current GNOME shell and/or GJS version.

In the Extensions tab, it confirmed that no extensions are installed.

I wonder whether this identifies my problem?

Doug

[RahulSundaram]

Do you have the latest version of GNOME Shell?

$ rpm -q gnome-shell
gnome-shell-3.0.1-1.fc15.x86_64

[dougallen]

Brilliant. Thank you.

I've also just discovered a bug trail that covers the same point. It states that gnome-shell-3.0.1-2.fc15 was retired from update testing and that users should wait for the release.

However, I will try your suggestion since my version is 3.0.0.2-2.fc15.

I do appreciate you identifying the issue and I will try the update and report back.

Doug

[dougallen]

Just an interim update.

I haven't been able to find an updated shell in the repos, but there are other threads that suggest 3.0.1-1 or 3.0.1-2 will appear in f15 repos soon.

Maybe I should wait for that, unless you would suggest otherwise.

Doug

[YeOK]

Just an interim update.

I haven't been able to find an updated shell in the repos, but there are other threads that suggest 3.0.1-1 or 3.0.1-2 will appear in f15 repos soon.

Maybe I should wait for that, unless you would suggest otherwise.

Doug

You can also look at koji, the fedora build system.

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=9009.

[dougallen]

Wow. Thank you for this information.

Being quite new to Fedora (though not to Linux), I was unaware of the Koji system. It looks to be a fantastic resource generally, and specifically for the current issue I see it has gnome-shell 3.0.1-1.fc15 and 3.0.1-2.fc15.

Many thanks again.

Doug

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Further to my last post, I downloaded gnome-shell-3.0.1-2.fc15 (x86_64 version) and installed it with no difficulty. I chose 3.0.1-2 because I see that this addresses the issue of some duplicate application icons which apparently cropped us in 3.0.1-1.

I then installed the alternative-status-menu and can now see Suspend, Hibernate and Power Off in the drop-down menu.

Fantastic. Just what I need for using a laptop in different circumstances.

Thanks to all for helping me through this.

Doug