Fedora 15 Beta RC2 Available Now!

[RahulSundaram]

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-April/098755.html

[Dan]

Hmmmm.

Mixed bag. The x86_64 LiveCD version wouldn't even boot past Grub on the War Department's box, but that's not unexpected. it tends to be really cranky about anything but MINT.

Booted clean on my new desktop box, but /usr/libexec/gvfsd-metadata took a powder with a signal 11 sitting all by itself with me over here at the laptop. It's trying to gather the backtrace materials now, but typically when it goes this slow, I get unusable data. Lacking which, a boog repoort is likely not to be of much use.

I'll file what I get, but I'm not expecting much.


Ayup. Got an "Error loading the dumplist" message, and now ABRT won't come back up. Attempting to log out and back in resulted in a lock-up requiring computer de-fib.

Second attempt to boot failed loading after grub. Working on number three. The CD passed checksum, BTW. Ok. Boot three was successful. And, the same package crashed at just about the same time. Hope I can get more to go on this time.

Nope. It went stupid at, "Complete! Generating backtrace." System Monitor fails to load now with and I/O error. Terminal fails with an I/O error. Closing ABRT promptly killed Gnome Shell, and then locked up the system.

Not much more I can do here with this. Time to feed the CD to the shredder, and reboot F11.

[tox]

Funny you mention that Dan that it woulkdnt boot past Grub, i had a similar problem with the i386 Alpha version. got as far as trying to Detect Hardware so it would install, no joy, but the 64bit one works. i'll wait for the official beta to come out as i dont have a spare system to try RC2 on.

[sonoran]

I tried a minimal install from the netinst.iso (just under 12 minutes - where have you been all my life) but the boot hangs at "Starting D-Bus System Message Bus." I gave it 10 minutes but figured it wasn't going anywhere without a working d-bus.

Will look at the mail lists and bugzilla.

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Adding enforcing=0 to the kernel parameters in grub.conf allowed the boot to complete. Now the fun begins...

[DokterW]

Just checking if I got it right. If I install this Beta RC, when the final release of F15 is out, it will automatically update/upgrade to that, right?

[tox]

Just checking if I got it right. If I install this Beta RC, when the final release of F15 is out, it will automatically update/upgrade to that, right?

yes, as long as you keep it up to date everyday you'll get the final

[DokterW]

yes, as long as you keep it up to date everyday you'll get the final

Awesome! Then I might install it on my 701 Eee PC later today, if it seems stable enough.

[sonoran]

Now the fun begins...

Depends on your definition of fun, I guess. Turned up an imbecilic fedora packaging/configuration snafu: twm is not included in the X Window System group (openbox is), but the x initscripts fall back to twm if GNOME or KDE is not available. So, when I installed X and tried to start it I got, variously,
error setting MTRR invalid argument 22
or
refusing to touch device with a bound kernel driver
or
no screens found
none of which gives the remotest clue what the problem is: X is trying to load twm but it ain't installed. Should I file a bug report? Naw, let whoever is responsible for this hear as many complaints as possible. Not a bug, anyway, just FUBAR.
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After a few hours playing around with it I would say the F15 Beta RC2 is very solid. Boots very quickly to text mode (formerly runlevel 3), I bring up pci7p1 (formerly eth0), run startx and I'm in openbox. The only hint of a GNOME is in the right-mousebutton openbox menu, which is still arranged gnomeishly, but that's just an xml file and easily changed.

All things considered a very satisfying night's work. Not exactly "out of the box," but at least it's still fedora.

[smr54]

Well, I forgot to go in an edit grub, so on my first boot in a VM, it just hung, after having seemingly completed. In a VM, I've never been able to get out of the splash screen with escape and the 0 second time out...well, that's my favorite rant and I know how to fix it during install, but still...

So, booted with a rescue CD and fixed it so I could see what was happening. Seems that they still haven't fixed something selinux, it's denying access to dbus. So, boot again with enforcing=0. Now it boots. I'll see what pops up on the testing lists.

Ethernet is down because they assume you'll use network manager which isn't installed, easy to fix by editing the ifcfg-pci whatever.

Installed xorg-x11-* xterm openbox. Added a user, put exec openbox-session in .xinitrc and it goes into X.

So, not too bad. I imagine, if they've released it, the default installation doesn't have the selinux issue, but I haven't been following the testing lists too closely. I do find that in Fedora, many things seem to assume you're using Gnome. I filed two bugs, one already fixed, the other not, about gui programs that had a missing dependency, both of which were installed by a Gnome installation. So, especially when I run into problems that I don't see anywhere else, I always guess that that is part of the problem. In a perfect world, with unlimited resources, all gui tools that weren't directly connected with Gnome would be tested with twm to make sure they work with all window managers, but many package maintainers are volunteers, with limited time, as far as I know.

[RahulSundaram]

Hi

"twm is not included in the X Window System group (openbox is)"

This is a incorrect claim.

$ yum groupinfo "X Window System" | grep -i openbox
$ yum groupinfo "X Window System" | grep -i twm
xorg-x11-twm

"Ethernet is down because they assume you'll use network manager which isn't installed, easy to fix by editing the ifcfg-pci whatever. "

Regardless of whether you install NM or not, HOW you install matters. If you use a network installation, network is up by default or otherwise not. If this isn't the case, it is a bug

"I filed two bugs, one already fixed, the other not, about gui programs that had a missing dependency"

Pass me the bug report number of the unfixed one and I will take a look.

[Dan]

Update:

The LiveCD i686 version came up clean, hooked into the network clean as soon as I gave it the passphrase, and is so far very stable on the laptop.

Whoops! Spoke too soon. Nautilus just went down. Followed almost immediately by gvsd-metadata.

Trying to gather backtrace now.

[smr54]

@Rahul, the unfixed one is in progress, the developer is on it. (It's hplip, which needs libsane-hpaio to work with scanning.)

The network one, I'll want to try a few more installs before filing, both with and without selinux enabled, though right now it seems to be present in both.

Judging from the mailing list, I"m a bit surprised about my selinux dbus issue, it seems that this is supposed to be fixed, if I'm reading it right, unless that was another selinux issue.

[Dan]

Boogs filed.

[sonoran]

Hi

"twm is not included in the X Window System group (openbox is)"

This is a incorrect claim.

$ yum groupinfo "X Window System" | grep -i openbox
$ yum groupinfo "X Window System" | grep -i twm
xorg-x11-twm

Here's my yum log, Rahul. No twm with groupinstall "X Window System", just openbox. After I figured out what the issue was I added twm ~40 minutes later. The unhelpful error messages were what annoyed me, but I realize that is an X issue.

I also got no fonts - maybe something else went wrong during the groupinstall. I don't often use that yum command.

I was watching the yum output - I was curious to see what GNOME stuff would be pulled in - and yum did not report any issues during the groupinstall.

[smr54]

I used to use the groupinstall (or yum install @x-base or base-x, whatever it is--found by doing yum grouplist -v), till stevea suggested doing instead yum install xorg-x11-\* (though the backslash isn't really necessary) xterm. I'm not sure if that pulls in twm or not, since whenever I run the command, I also grab either openbox or fluxbox.

As for the other two issues I had, I just did a second VM test minimal install. I dunno, although it's supposed to be fixed, I can't boot unless I disabled selinux, several dbus errors, and the network issue is also there.

The network issue, that Rahul said should be filed as bug, isn't one that bothers me enough to file a bug--it's been that way for awhile, and I think the sort of person who does minimal installs can quickly fix it. Plus, I really don't have time this week to follow up on it, nor do I really care. It's something I know how to fix in 30 seconds, so if someone else wishes to file a bug on it, they're welcome to do so. One has to change /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-<interface_name> from NM_CONTROLLED from yes to no and do chkconfig network on.

The selinux issue, at this point, I'm going to wait. It seems that I'm not alone, but it's supposed to be fixed, so I'm being lazy--also bugs have been filed. I don't think I'm the first to notice the network thing, and suspect that most who notice it, like me, are used to minimal installations and find it so trivial to fix that it's not worth mentioning which is why nothing's been mentioned or filed--it's been that way for awhile, IIRC.

The theoretical average user that seems to be more of the target audience wouldn't do a minimal install anyway, so it's not really an issue.

As I said above, I have no real complaints. For me, I'm less interested in eye candy, and just want to make sure that it hasn't thrown in some new twist that will break something I need, and F15 doesn't seem to have done that (break something I need.)

[sonoran]

One has to change /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-<interface_name> from NM_CONTROLLED from yes to no and do chkconfig network on.

Wow - that's a big improvement here. Thank you, Scott.:D I was running "ifup pci7p1" after every boot. Now I don't have to log in as root at all, I can just startx (until I figure out how to install qingy, that is).

[RahulSundaram]

Sonoron,

Can't reproduce that and comps certainly does list twm in that group. No idea what you are doing that is different.

sudo yum -d2 groupinfo "X Window System"
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit, security
Setting up Group Process

Group: X Window System
Description: Install this group of packages to use the base graphical (X) user interface.
Mandatory Packages:
xorg-x11-drivers
xorg-x11-server-Xorg
xorg-x11-xauth
xorg-x11-xinit
Default Packages:
authconfig-gtk
desktop-backgrounds-basic
firstboot
glx-utils
mesa-dri-drivers
plymouth-system-theme
policycoreutils-sandbox
smolt-firstboot
xorg-x11-utils
Optional Packages:
alltray
aterm
devilspie
gdm
gxmessage
krb5-auth-dialog
lilyterm
roxterm
rss-glx
rss-glx-xscreensaver
rxvt
sakura
slim
switchdesk
system-switch-displaymanager
termit
tigervnc-server
uim-gtk2
workrave
xclip
xdaliclock
xguest
xkeycaps
xlockmore
xorg-x11-apps
xorg-x11-resutils
xorg-x11-server-Xnest
xorg-x11-server-Xvfb
xorg-x11-twm
xorg-x11-xfs
xorg-x11-xfs-utils
xorg-x11-xsm
xscreensaver
xscreensaver-base
xscreensaver-extras
xscreensaver-gl-extras
xterm

[smr54]

@both of you (Rahul and Sonoran), I *think* that you will find:

If you install from DVD and choose minmal, you will find that /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-pciSomething will have onboot no and nm_controlled yes. If you install with net.iso, it has onboot yes, but still nm_controlled, so doesn't work. I'm pretty sure it's this way in RHEL6 and its offshoots as well. It's been this way awhile, it's become almost automatic for me to fix it.

I agree it's a bug, but it's one that doesn't bother me enough to file bugzilla on it. I don't have that much time these days, so I save it for the ones that are important to me. :)

[sonoran]

Hi Rahul~
That groupinfo list is certainly different than what I got using groupinstall. My guess is the minimal netinst.iso install caused this. Notice I also got matchbox-windowmanager in addition to openbox, but not twm.

If I succeed in messing up my F15 Beta RC2 - which is likely :C - I will try the same install again and save the yum output of the groupinstall.

But thank you for looking into it.

@smr54 - If you install with net.iso, it has onboot yes, but still nm_controlled, so doesn't work.
That sounds right. My minimal install logs were full of Network Manager and Modem Manager error messages.

[arowana]

created Beta RC2 desktop 64bit live-usb-media

it starts booting; half way it stops; black screen with something about changing into debug-shell; error shown was about the new /run directory and dracut.

tried it with Dell Latitude and Acer Travelmate

[smr54]

Adam explained on the mailing list that my selinux bug was due to a network install--it was grabbing from mirrors that probably hadn't been synced. Doing an update today fixed that one (the selinux dbus thingie).

[RahulSundaram]

Boot with enforcing=0 and do a yum update

[smr54]

Sorry, I should have been more specific--that was Adam's advice and what I did. @sonoran, that does seem to fix the selinux issue. (The selinux-targeted should be version-13---if it's <version>-12 it will have the problem.

[Finalzone]

Installed Fedora 15 RC2 with netinstall. NM kept screwing up both wired and wireless network (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=261241&page=2) with full update. I am not sure if dhcp is the culprit on x86_64 because that bug does not happen with Gnome 3 Lived based on i686 Fedora 15 Beta.

[Dan]

I suspect the x86_64 version does indeed have some individual issues. it has vapor-locked on my AMD Phenom quad-core badly and often enough in all iterations tried that I have not attempted to install it on the desktop machine. The i686 on the laptop, however, is running reasonably well.

[smr54]

In my case, I've been working with the x86_64 on VirtualBox without too many issues, save for the two I mentioned, and that selinux one is either completely fixed or will be once all mirrors sync.

The network issue with minimal install is, as I said, a minor one for me, and has been that way for awhile.

You Gnome folks have far more of an adjustment to make. What I find interesting, as an objective (i.e., non Gnome using) observer is how those who are new to it seem to like it.

[Dan]

Indeed. And entirely understandable. To those who have never tasted Chicken Cordon Bleu served with iced Constant Comment, deep fried Critter McNuggets and a diet Coke seem like a pretty good meal.


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[tox]

ok iv'e installed F15 Beta RC2 . all went fine but as soon as i logged in an started the browser, i had no Network action, so i had to enable it manually. apart from that all is fine

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this is the 32bit one to

[ajahpathi]

Hi,

I have several issues with fedora 15 x86_64 .
My config:Athlon X2 4400+ RAM:2GB MB:ASUS 690G GRAPHICS:INTERNAL ATI X1250
1.First issue is gnome 3 is very slow in normal use.
2.Fedora 15 Nightly iso i downloaded several times last week in between days unable to install to HDD issue with Installer(I THOUGHT NIGHTLY IMAGES CONTAIN LATEST PACKAGES BUT I WAS WRONG)
3.Yesterday after yum update totem unable to play flv video
4.if i click on any file properties sometimes it shows getting information and stays their on that window.
5.if i install mplayer then it has a audio issue , vlc works ok
6.firefox has a bug : if we close firefox while it is downloading something(download window is still open)
when i try to relaunch firefox it does not come up.
7.movie watching in vlc ,totem is not a pleasant experience video display is a drag

[dokuro]

can I just update the alpha or change the repos?...

[ajahpathi]

*******************fedora 15 x86_64 guide for ABSOLUTE NEWBIES LIKE me***********
Quick Keys
Press alt to see power off button
Press Win key to see all Windows
scrolling the mouse on particular window zooms in/out
typing in window mode automatically goes into search box

Screencast recording

Control+Shift+Alt+R keybinding starts and stops the recording. A red circle is displayed in the bottom right corner of the screen when the recording is in progress. After the recording is finished, a file named 'shell-%d%u-%c.webm' is saved in the home directory. In the filename, %d is the date, %u is a string that makes the filename unique, and %c is a counter that is incremented each time a recording is made within a single gnome-shell session.

******************INSTALL FEDORA ISO TO USB*****************************
dd if=imagename.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=8M


*************YUM COMMANDS**********
yum list installed
********************REMOVE UNWANTED PACKAGES**************
yum remove *openssh* *abrt* *games* at-s* *sane* cheese *horse* *juicer* pino *vnc* rhythmbox *hplip* *im-chooser* *ibus-* *openvpn* *sssd* iw*firmware* lohit* empathy *setroubleshoot* evolution *festival* telepathy-butterfly telepathy-farsight telepathy-gabble telepathy-idle telepathy-haze telepathy-salut telepathy-mission-control python-telepathy folks vino

DO NOT REMOVE
*policycore *gnome-back*


************INSTALL REPOS*********************

yum install yum-plugin-fastestmirror
rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm
rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm

*package installation fails*
change gpgcheck=0
on all repo files under /etc/yum.repos.d/ starting with rpmfusion*

*****vi search and replace*****
:%s/OLD/NEW/g
:%s/gpgcheck=1/gpgcheck=1/g

**********INSTALL PACKAGES*************************
yum install gcc gstreamer-plugins-ugly gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-ffmpeg dkms chmsee unrar p7zip p7zip-plugins java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64 libreoffice-calc libreoffice-writer libreoffice-impress

********MANUALLY INSTALL after downloading from their respective website ****************
yum install google-chrome-stable_current_x86_64.rpm VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.4_70112_fedora14-1.x86_64.rpm

**********DEPENDENCIES********************

FOR xbrightness utility
imake make libXaw

FOR VIRTUALBOX

gcc and dkms

***xbrightness***
ln -s /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2

**********STOP UNWANTED SERVICES**************

chkconfig

chkconfig --level 345 "service name" off


****FLASH PLAYER INSTALLATION --64BIT (FLASH PLAYER SQUARE)**********

su -c 'cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins'

[OSLinuxFreak]

Just updated to Fedora 15 Beta RC2 after originally installing the Alpha version on a test machine. What a big difference! The only issue I have run into so far is the icon on the top bar of the Gnome 3 panel always shows disconnected even though I have a wireless connection up and running. Hopefully this will be fixed by the final release. :)

I must say, after being a Ubuntu user for years I am really liking what I see here with Fedora 15. I have been wanting to switch for a while but wasn't sure what distro to go with. Looks like Fedora is going to be the one I go with.

[dokuro]

did you started with the alpha or just went ahead and installed the ISO here?

[OSLinuxFreak]

did you started with the alpha or just went ahead and installed the ISO here?

I started with the Alpha .ISO and installed it then used the update manager in F15 to update to the beta Release.

[AkIrA]

Can anyone explain to me how i can setup static IP and gateway in this new gnome 3 network manager? My system is useless without connection ;(

[David Batson]

Just tried the Fedora 15 Beta RC2 Live CD on a brand new 'Sandy Bridge' ThinkPad X220. Seems to work fine so far. I am posting from it now! :cool:

[g8jvm]

hi

i've just installed the 64 bit version in a vm, seem to be ok.
gnome 3 is not fully loading,
just downloading the 264 updates before playing.

since running i can't get any shift function on the keyboard

richard

[ah7013]

Installed the KDE version today on my desktop. Everything seems to work fine on that. When I booted up Live KDE and clicked the install button I got a nice suprise that the anaconda installer was using the kde (oxygen) theme while back in Fedora 14 as far as I can remember it used the GTK theme in the KDE Live ISO.

[roelj]

Why is the website still advertising the alpha version?

[ah7013]

Why is the website still advertising the alpha version?

Only when the final Beta comes out (in a couple of days) they will advertise it.

[roelj]

Only when the final Beta comes out (in a couple of days) they will advertise it.

Ooh, this is a pre-Beta. Sorry! I was a bit confused.

[DokterW]

Installed Fedora 15 Beta RC2 on my 701 (4GB) Eee PC. Then uninstalled a few apps I don't need and did a full system update. Then I installed a few extra apps I use, including Gnome Tweak Tool. So far it's working great. Not slower than F14 with G 2.32.0. Even Dropbox works great.

Might install the final beta on my other Eee PC when it's released.

GNOME 3 is really great. After playing around with GNOME 3 it feels a bit clunky to use GNOME 2.32

[AdamW]

akira: use nm-connection-editor .

roelj: ah7013: beta rc2 is in fact the beta release, but there is a span of a few days between when we declare the beta images gold and when we actually do the beta release, to allow for mirror sync, push of packages that were side-streamed into the beta candidate to the official repo, setting up web pages and documentation and so on.

[mulisak]

I downloaded latest beta - live cd - i686 - kde, but it does not boot on my new sandy bridge with Gigabyte P67A-UD3P-B3.
I can provide any logs. I would guess sata drivers are not present, it falls to 'debug mode' and there are no /dev/disk... devices.

It booted normally with FC13 and FC14 installed.

Any help will be appreciated.

have a nice day :)

[mulisak]

memtest 4.10 hangs, memtest 4.20 binary downloaded from www works fine on my sandy bridge i5-2500k gigabyte P67a-ud3 motherboard

[Londoner]

I installed F15 yesterday using PreUpgrade over an existing F14 which I had fully updated prior to the preupgrade..

After the first stage of the preupgrade completed and asked the system to be rebooted. The first thing i noticed was the message "Failed to load SElinux Policy before the "Welcome to Fedora 15 Release " line.

But the main problem currently is that it seems to almost always hang when it reaches..
"Starting wait for Plymouth boot screen "

(It did once go past that and hung at "Starting Bluetooth Manager ")

On the current install the kernel is: 2.6.38.2-9.fc15.i686.PAE
On the FC14 prior to preupgrade it was: 2.6.35.12-88.fc14.i686.PAE

Using a Pentium 4 PC with nvidia card (cant recall which one at the moment, but the nvidia drivers from RPMfusion worked fine on the F14 install)

Any guidance as to how I could recover without having to reinstall?

[DBelton]

did you remove the nvidia drivers prior to running the upgrade? If not, you are probably trying to use the old nvidia drivers.

you may need to remove the F14 nvidia drivers and then install the F15 nvidia drivers.

If your problem is the nvidia drivers, then you should be able to get a console screen by hitting ctrl-alt-F2 when it hangs and sign in as root.

Try using yum to remove the kmod-nvidia for F14, then install kmod-nvidia for F15. (or use akmod if you installed the akmod package instead)

[Londoner]

Thank you DBelton for your suggestion. I had not removed the drivers prior to performing PreUpgrade and after the install it still had some of the old F14 nvidia modules.

I removed the F14 drivers but kmod-nvidia-PAE is not available for F15 right now. I will wait to see if they are here after the final release.

I can use my system with the default drivers for now.

Thank you once again, your help is much appreciated as I got a usable system after staying up all night trying to figure it out last night.

[mulisak]

4 Londoner : you might try to download drivers directly from nvidia ( ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/ ) and install them (it worked for me for some years,not on sandy bridge now :(

Had somebody have the problem to boot from fedora 15 beta RC2 Live i686 KDE CD on Intel Sandy Bridge and Gigabyte P67A motherboard ?

[David Batson]

Had somebody have the problem to boot from fedora 15 beta RC2 Live i686 KDE CD on Intel Sandy Bridge and Gigabyte P67A motherboard ?

I booted the Fedora 15 Beta RC2 Live x86_64 Gnome Live CD successfully on a Sandy Bridge ThinkPad X220. Just can't get Mobile Broadband (SW 890 AirCard) to work. Got a bug report filed for that (699030).

[DBelton]

Thank you DBelton for your suggestion. I had not removed the drivers prior to performing PreUpgrade and after the install it still had some of the old F14 nvidia modules.

I removed the F14 drivers but kmod-nvidia-PAE is not available for F15 right now. I will wait to see if they are here after the final release.

I can use my system with the default drivers for now.

Thank you once again, your help is much appreciated as I got a usable system after staying up all night trying to figure it out last night.


Did you look in the rpmfusion rawhide repo?


su
rpm -Uvh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-rawhide.noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-rawhide.noarch.rpm

yum install kmod-nvidia-PAE

[mulisak]

I booted the Fedora 15 Beta RC2 Live x86_64 Gnome Live CD successfully on a Sandy Bridge ThinkPad X220. Just can't get Mobile Broadband (SW 890 AirCard) to work. Got a bug report filed for that (699030).

can you please post output of
lspci
and
lsmod
? thanks a lot

should I file a bug report, if I am not able to boot from live CD ?
where - here ? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugzilla
thanks a lot.
m.

[DBelton]

to file a bug report, go to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/

just select the correct OS (fedora) version, etc... It's all pretty self explanatory.

[David Batson]

@mulisak
I noticed you used a i686 Live CD. Why not try the x86_64 CD instead? That would seem to be the appropriate one to use for the latest Intel processors.

[mulisak]

thanks a lot, problem found ! LIVE CD can not boot when connected to SATA3 interface, booting fine from SATA2, either i686 or x86_64.

still no luck with nvidia driver on my sandy bridge :( nouveau seems to be ok

any ideas anybody ?

[techguy378]

I'm having a strange problem with Fedora 15. If I leave my computer sitting idle for too long it seems to hibernate. I can't find any setting in the Gnome GUI to disable this behavior. If my PC's screen is blank when I come back to it, after I move my mouse to get the screen back on the hard disk churns away for an eternity and my system slowly comes back to life. All of the Windows 8 milestones and all other major Linux distros have an option to turn off all power saving options. Why doesn't Fedora 15?

[marko]

I'm having a strange problem with Fedora 15. If I leave my computer sitting idle for too long it seems to hibernate. I can't find any setting in the Gnome GUI to disable this behavior. If my PC's screen is blank when I come back to it, after I move my mouse to get the screen back on the hard disk churns away for an eternity and my system slowly comes back to life. All of the Windows 8 milestones and all other major Linux distros have an option to turn off all power saving options. Why doesn't Fedora 15?

You found other distributions that had Gnome 3 "Gnome shell" in them?

[AdamW]

techguy: that doesn't sound like any kind of hibernation, it just blanked the screen. If it's slow coming back, all I can think of is that your memory is exhausted for some reason; Shell in current F15 does seem to have a slow leak, at least on my system, which may explain it. Can you run 'top' at a console (or, better, install 'htop' and run that, it's much nicer) and see how much memory it reports is used?

[techguy378]

My computer has 4GB of DDR2-800 RAM, an Intel Core 2 Quad Core Q9400 CPU and an ATI Radeon 4770 graphics card with 512MB GDDR5 memory. The hard disk is a 150GB Western Digital Raptor drive. When I move the mouse or press a key on the keyboard to unblank the screen the hard disk always grinds away for about 30-45 seconds before my computer comes back to life.

@marko - I wasn't saying the problem I mentioned was specific to Gnome 3 necessarily. I'm simply saying I haven't experienced it under any other Linux distro that I've tried.

I've run Top. It reports 2,228,768k of free memory. It seems very strange that Fedora 15 and Gnome are using approx half of my computer's memory. 64-bit Windows 7 doesn't use this much RAM. In case anyone wonders, Fedora 15 created a swap partition that's 6,094,844k. 455,785k is currently in use.

[AdamW]

can you post a screenshot from htop, ordered by memory usage (press f6 to change ordering)? Thanks. still, even if it's using 2GB, there should be 2GB free, so I can't think why it'd be thrashing the hard disk...

[arowana]

just saw pub/alt/stage/15.TC1/ at alt.fedoraproject.org but could not find an announcement here ...ahem, however

[arowana]

Now Final RC1 seems available at alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage, but still no announcement ... nevermind

[RahulSundaram]

there is one i posted it

[arowana]

Sorry, missed it.

From my perception there seemed to be a lot going on ironing out the last release blockers today. Assume this is a good thing. Thanks for everyone involved!

[AdamW]

final rc1 seems to be a bit broken, so you may want to hang fire for an rc2.

[n3bth3t]

hi im new to fedora, ive been exploring the distros for a while now mostly ubuntu natty, but i wanted to try fedoras gnome 3, i installed the beta of 15 and it installed perfectly, everything worked, i decided to update my system and i did with the sudo yum upgrade in terminal, after i rebooted it hung on the boot screen then my screen went blank with the "no signal"
i tryed rebooting without the upgrade and it boots its just when i do the upgrade on my systems that it hangs in the boot screen then my monitor turns off


i have an emachines t3410
786 ram
geforce 6100 intergrated
200 GB harddrive

im thinking its the graphics but im not sure, since ive been using ubuntu and before that mac i dont know how to handle this, if you can help me that would be great. thanks.


:confused:

[AdamW]

when you say 'rebooting without the upgrade' what do you mean exactly? you booted the older kernel?

[n3bth3t]

when you say 'rebooting without the upgrade' what do you mean exactly? you booted the older kernel?

i mean like rebooting with just the installed things from the live cd no changes or updates to the system

[AdamW]

well, try upgrading just the kernel, and see if that makes it crash or not.

[n3bth3t]

well, try upgrading just the kernel, and see if that makes it crash or not.

how do i do that lol

and do i update it before i isntall the fedora 15 update?

[AdamW]

you can use yum or the graphical package manager to just pick out the kernel update to install, rather than running the full system update.

[n3bth3t]

you wouldnt happen to know i have to download?

[arowana]

Looks like Final RC2 is up and there will be an announcement ... anyway

[arowana]

Final RC3 available for testing ...

[tox]

in post #1 http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1470328&postcount=1 aree the download links

[Nitrub]

do I have to choose that 3.4GB one for installation? (want the one with gnome-shell)

or "Fedora-15-i686-Live-Desktop.iso 13-May-2011 20:01 565M", but that seems slightly small

[bennachie]

Use the LiveCD - there's no office pack included, but you can easily add that from the repositories afterwards. In other respects, you'll get a complete working installation.

[arowana]

Both come with Gnome Shell.

The "small" on , live desktop, is for creating a Live-CD to boot and test on your system without touching it, until you choose to install it.

[Nitrub]

so I can install system with live cd version too? if so why the huge difference in size?

[arowana]

Of course you can. If you miss something (packages) that are left out on the Live Desktop you can add it later, like bennachie said.

[Nitrub]

oh, I didnt even notice bennachies reply :)

thanks guys

[tox]

during install from a LiveCD yum/anaconda will pull in the dependancies during install

[bennachie]

You don't need to have a live Internet connection to install from the LiveCD (I live in the bush, and have to rely on wireless broadband, so have plenty of opportunity to check that out). The version of Fedora installed from the LiveCD will have all the capabilities of the live version. Obviously, once you have connected to the Internet, you can and should access a heap of updates (even from an installation yesterday based on the RC3 LiveCD, I got 90MB of these) and whatever other bits and pieces of software you want (office suite etc etc). But you do only need to identify the main packages you want - yum/anaconda will sort out the dependencies.

[AdamW]

"during install from a LiveCD yum/anaconda will pull in the dependancies during install "

No, it doesn't. Quite the opposite - live install is the only method which can't possibly use a remote repository (because it doesn't install packages, it just dumps a disk image). The lives are smaller simply because they have a lot fewer packages. The DVD includes all four major desktops, plus various packages that don't fit on the desktop live images.

[arowana]

Will there be any minor changes to RC3 before Final release?

Some wild guessing (as i really don't know what im talking about): it could be relabeled; maybe some differences in bug reporting packages; or stable repositories instead of testing?

Or maybe everything F15 Final needs is already included in a Final RC?

[bennachie]

For what it's worth, I'm just doing a fresh installation using rc3 (Gnome version, 32 bits), without manually enabling the "test updates" repository. The repository is not enabled by default in rc3, so there will be no need to change that in the release version.

There are 57 updates available (and now being downloaded). These include a new version of the kernel, which will be changed to 2.6.38.6-27fc15 (i686). At a rough guess, the download will be around 80-100MB. These will, I assume, become zero day updates when the official release version is available.

In my relatively limited experience, this is pretty much par for the course for the new release of a major distribution. Mint, having had the benefit of 4 to 6 weeks of early updates to Ubuntu, usually seems to keep the initial update count down, By contrast, openSUSE goes to town in a big way (I installed the release version of 11.4 immediately it became available. and then had to download ~300MB of supplementary packages and updates).

[RahulSundaram]

Will there be any minor changes to RC3 before Final release?

Some wild guessing (as i really don't know what im talking about): it could be relabeled; maybe some differences in bug reporting packages; or stable repositories instead of testing?

Or maybe everything F15 Final needs is already included in a Final RC?


RC3 will be released as it is and has all the changes necessary. Since we have a freeze on updates for a while before the release, there will be a few zero day updates but since Fedora uses Delta RPM (binary diffs), the download size won't be too much.

[arowana]

Interesting, thanks Rahul and Bennachie for your reply!

[AdamW]

the images themselves are final and will not change. things that can change in the time before release are ancillary stuff - mirroring, updates and updates-testing repo contents, documentation (we're still thrashing out the release announcement and the common bugs page).

note that there isn't a Sugar image yet because of known bugs that we want to fix before we spin that image, we're hoping to get one done before release day.

[arowana]

That sounds like bugs will be fixed via updates, because it's too risky to change the RC iso without testing. To me it looks like, hey, include our last bugfixes and the release will be even better. But i assume the focus is on anaconda and all install issues first to get the installation working for everyone and the fixes via updates are preferred because they can be fixed again?

[RahulSundaram]

Hi

yes, that's the general idea. The criteria is documented in much more detail at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Final_Release_Criteria

[skyxn3t]

Does anyone know what happened to the Fedora 15 RC3 Image? I spent 3 days downloading it, it reached 80% and yesterday it was gone from the servers:
http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/15.RC3/Fedora/x86_64/iso/

What does this mean?
" Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org Port 80 "

[AdamW]

yeah, that happens. we don't make any guarantees as to candidate compose availability. It's now in the process of being staged out to the public mirrors (though you can't find it, yet, we use a system where it gets hidden until the release date). Once it's available on public mirrors you should be able to continue the download using one of those.

[tox]

yeah, that happens. we don't make any guarantees as to candidate compose availability. It's now in the process of being staged out to the public mirrors (though you can't find it, yet, we use a system where it gets hidden until the release date). Once it's available on public mirrors you should be able to continue the download using one of those.

who says " you cant find it yet " . ever heard of Leaks? someone desperate enougfh to look through all mirrors and im sure they'll find a leak somewhere :p