Whassup all? Using F15 Rawhide? [Archive]

glennzo

7th January 2011, 11:11 PM

tox

7th January 2011, 11:34 PM

Doesn't seem that Rawhide is overly popular with the masses here. At least not if I use this sub-forum's activity as a measure. Posting here looks to be slow. Doesn't anyone play with this stuff or does it stink so bad right now that it's not worth bothering with?

i have been only using the LiveDvD image, but not all the features are in rawhide yet ( i dont think ) so in some ways i dont think its worth testing it till all features are in it. Gnome3 isnt up to date. ( some is and some arent. ) wat till actual Alpha testing an you wil see more posts here

jakebpg

7th January 2011, 11:46 PM

Doesn't seem that Rawhide is overly popular with the masses here. At least not if I use this sub-forum's activity as a measure. Posting here looks to be slow. Doesn't anyone play with this stuff or does it stink so bad right now that it's not worth bothering with?

Tried it in a VM but NO GO. It appears to load OK but after reboot NOTHING! The VM claims there is NO boot disk!

So I'll have to wait a bit longer and try again.

glennzo

7th January 2011, 11:48 PM

@ detox. I agree. Seems to work OK but it's butt ugly. Several boot errors and some yum dependencies that need to be worked around too. Guess that's to be expected.

tox

8th January 2011, 12:23 AM

@ detox. I agree. Seems to work OK but it's butt ugly. Several boot errors and some yum dependencies that need to be worked around too. Guess that's to be expected.
i think you'll find Rawhide will be more or less usable when its in the official Alpha testing when most parts should be in it.

KClaisse

8th January 2011, 04:25 AM

tox

8th January 2011, 04:32 AM

Im about to install fedora 14 and update to rawhide on a test pc just to see gnome 3.

and now after reading some posts it seems doing this is a very bad idea. Instead I should just install a rawhide spin. Which I will do now......

might aswell just download ther last LiveDvD image an look at that. there is no point in using rawhide yet till all features are in.

its why i havent really bothered installing it yet an trashing windows7

diamond_ramsey

8th January 2011, 06:21 AM

Im about to install fedora 14 and update to rawhide on a test pc just to see gnome 3.

and now after reading some posts it seems doing this is a very bad idea. Instead I should just install a rawhide spin. Which I will do now......

KClaisse, I concur 100% with others as well as detox comments on GNOME3. I think GNOME3 has potential but right now is listed at 65% at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3 I have been using the content at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/FeatureList to build the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_talking_points
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I am trying to build the F15 set, but I may have to rebuild my systems with the ALPHA, BETA and corresponding RC...Final system sets. :)
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Hope this helps. ;)

downer

8th January 2011, 02:29 PM

I use Rawhide on a daily basis mostly just to try and contribute by submitting bugs and to use the latest Nouveau Gallium3D releases. I usually just post directly to Bugzilla, unless its something I really don't understand. I agree this forum and the fedora-test-list is pretty quiet and some of my bug reports don't get a response.

jvillain

8th January 2011, 08:13 PM

I use rawhide on all my machines except for my main server. I run into the occasional bug but never any thing terminal. I am a sysadmin by trade though and do it to keep up on my skills. You don't learn any thing if nothing ever breaks. But ya, there have been a lot of crickets chirping around here the last year.

katastrophal

9th January 2011, 12:13 AM

up and running rawhide on my test computer. quite pleasant ride so far, installed a daily build a week ago.

I always thought in rawhide all hell breaks loose..

tox

9th January 2011, 12:21 AM

if you go an have a look at the feature list an look how many features are actually in it now? there wont be many so your probably gonna have to end up reinstalling from scratch anyway. IMO your only really testing Gnome3 an KDE4.6 and maybe a few new features that were pushed into rawhide

simpleblue

9th January 2011, 01:03 AM

tox

9th January 2011, 01:14 AM

Perhaps I am incorrect on this but the latest daily build does not seem to have been updated since December 31 as per the link below:

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/

I went to look at the 'logs' link and it said all builds after Dec 31 "failed":

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/logs/

i think you'll find they'll do a new iso with updated Gnome3 stuff on it , i could be wrong but i have seen mclasen building gnome3 2.91.4 builds in Koji

simpleblue

9th January 2011, 01:49 AM

i think you'll find they'll do a new iso with updated Gnome3 stuff on it , i could be wrong but i have seen mclasen building gnome3 2.91.4 builds in Koji

Gnome 3 is there, but I am not able to find out where to get the latest daily build. :confused:

tox

9th January 2011, 01:53 AM

Gnome 3 is there, but I am not able to find out where to get the latest daily build. :confused:

wait for it to be built dude which is being built on koji now http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/index , give the guy some time to build all the unstable/stable Gnome3 packages and im sure they'll hit rawhide eventually.

going by this schedule http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNinetyone 2.91.5 should be released late this week

simpleblue

9th January 2011, 01:57 AM

wait for it to be built dude which is being built on koji now http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/index , give the guy some time to build all the unstable/stable Gnome3 packages and im sure they'll hit rawhide eventually.

I might be mistaken but I thought there was a new build each day. This is why I ask.

tox

9th January 2011, 02:01 AM

I might be mistaken but I thought there was a new build each day. This is why I ask.

yes there is, to get those you really need to build it from jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell which means a lot of stuffing around. if you wanna do it the simple way, wait for official rpms to be made and uploaded to rawhide

simpleblue

9th January 2011, 02:04 AM

yes there is, to get those you really need to build it from jhbuild http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell which means a lot of stuffing around. if you wanna do it the simple way, wait for official rpms to be made and uploaded to rawhide

Thanks for your patience and your quick replies. It makes sense to me now. :)

tox

9th January 2011, 04:25 AM

even if you did it that way an built successful builds, you may have issues with something else like firefox where you may need to compile Minefield nightlies which means extra work, ( im sure they do that over on the ubuntu forums )

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http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=213350 expect maybe a New Live ISO this week perhaps

rockdoctor

10th January 2011, 05:34 PM

I use Rawhide (LXDE+Compiz) as my primary system. Haven't posted because I haven't run into any problems

tox

10th January 2011, 11:46 PM

we may get 2.91.5 soon as some are being built or are already built at gnome ftp site ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/

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Jan 12 GNOME 2.91.5 unstable release http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNinetyone

diamond_ramsey

13th January 2011, 12:52 AM

Perhaps I am incorrect on this but the latest daily build does not seem to have been updated since December 31 as per the link below:

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/

I went to look at the 'logs' link and it said all builds after Dec 31 "failed":

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/desktop/logs/

simpleblue, there are new iso's available for the i386 and x86_64 for 12-Jan-2011 available now. :)

Hope this helps. ;)

tox

13th January 2011, 02:56 AM

that over 100MB smaller which is good :)

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also, if you download the new iso image an cannot start Gnome-shell you'll have to download this from Koji http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=213881 it fix's that busted gnome problem i saw on the Devel list

Renegade1318

13th January 2011, 06:42 AM

I'm gonna try it out as soon as the alpha is released. no point in installing such an unstable OS. excited to see what it'll be like though!

tox

13th January 2011, 06:50 AM

I'm gonna try it out as soon as the alpha is released. no point in installing such an unstable OS. excited to see what it'll be like though!

depends what DE you use, you could download a LiveDvD now and try it to see what it looks like ( the Gnome one ) . XFCE4.8 should be good but i dont know if thats made into a liveCD yet

tox

15th January 2011, 03:04 AM

ok, looks like the New Gnome-Shell is now put on By default, however i found without the experimental driver install nothing will work right in the Gnome-shell , so be aware that that driver will need to be installed , the question is, are they planning on making that experimental driver default install?

ok i just filed this Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669854

phoenixpb

17th January 2011, 01:32 PM

20110115 seems broken
flickering screen at boot
no way to login

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ok, looks like the New Gnome-Shell is now put on By default, however i found without the experimental driver install nothing will work right in the Gnome-shell , so be aware that that driver will need to be installed , the question is, are they planning on making that experimental driver default install?

ok i just filed this Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669854

do you have to remove mesa-dri driver ? not experimental ?

tox

17th January 2011, 09:45 PM

20110115 seems broken
flickering screen at boot
no way to login

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do you have to remove mesa-dri driver ? not experimental ?

not sure since i havent tried that but 20110114 loaded for me but Gnome-shell was not usable clicking on anything did nothing so i couldnt try any thing

AdamW

18th January 2011, 06:50 PM

tox

18th January 2011, 09:42 PM

if you have an NVIDIA adapter you will need to install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental before you'll have a shot at Shell. Perhaps we should add it to the nightlies for now. Once it's installed you've got maybe a 50/50 shot. :)

Adam, i did make a Bug report about that, i dont know if you wanna close it or leave it open. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669854

thanks Adam, i saw your comment made in Bugzilla. . only way i can thinbk of installing it if people dont download the LiveCD is to download the DvD version an do a Custom install and install the experimental driver that way.