Pulseaudio? It is a **** !

[antiwinhacker]

Dear developers,

Please tell me, why do you force users to use something that is unusable and has no advantage (least for an avarage user like me)?
Why do you want to suggests to the avarage user that pulseaudio == Linux sound system ? That is not true !!!!
Linux was very friendly to me till that annonying little app did not came into the picture.
Applications became worser (some of them till not working well with pluseaudio), movie and audio are not played fluently.
What about the freedom that Linux offers? It is disappearing slowly, because users can not choose to NOT using (installing) pluseaudio.
This is a very serious problem, more than you think. It is not only about Fedora, almost everybody has already built-in that crap.
On almost all forums filled with the question "How do I swith off pluseaudio".

I know someone is thinking: " What is my main problem?" I tell you ...

I can not use skype, because I can not change audio input/output . I have two soundcards, and can not redirect it to my second soundcard. This is not changing my opinion. I post this here, because I think that is more Fedora releated as pulseaudio.

Developing means that something will become more better and better, NOT worser and worser. I hope this thread will bring some change !!

[glennzo]

Hello there antiwinhacker. Welcome to Fedora Forum. I see you've made your appearance extremely noticeable :cool:

First off, since this is more of a rant than a question I've moved the post to Rants & Things That Make You Scream.

Secondly, for the most part there are no developers here in the forum. They don't monitor messages here so you're "preaching to the choir" so to speak.

Now, what was the question?

[leigh123linux]

Dear developers,

Please tell me, why do you force users to use something that is unusable and has no advantage (least for an avarage user like me)?
Why do you want to suggests to the avarage user that pulseaudio == Linux sound system ? That is not true !!!!
Linux was very friendly to me till that annonying little app did not came into the picture.
Applications became worser (some of them till not working well with pluseaudio), movie and audio are not played fluently.
What about the freedom that Linux offers? It is disappearing slowly, because users can not choose to NOT using (installing) pluseaudio.
This is a very serious problem, more than you think. It is not only about Fedora, almost everybody has already built-in that crap.
On almost all forums filled with the question "How do I swith off pluseaudio".

I know someone is thinking: " What is my main problem?" I tell you ...

I can not use skype, because I can not change audio input/output . I have two soundcards, and can not redirect it to my second soundcard. This is not changing my opinion. I post this here, because I think that is more Fedora releated as pulseaudio.

Developing means that something will become more better and better, NOT worser and worser. I hope this thread will bring some change !!


The Dev's don't use forums ;)

Try moaning here instead.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate

[smr54]

As Glenn said, you're preachin' to the choir.

So far, none of the literally thousands of complaints about pulseaudio have had any effect. (I suspect thousands is not an exaggeration, when takes into account all the forums for all the distributions that have begun to use it.)

Skype works with ArchLinux, where you're not forced to use Pulse. I also got it working on my wife's Ubuntu netbook, though it took some fiddling. Of course, when she calls me with Skype when she's overseas, I use her Mac. :)

[beaker_]

I must be one of the few lucky ones. Unless Jack is needed, PA from F11-F13 was worth the growing pain. You just need to learn a few new tricks. Instead of skype, have you tried ekiga or other sip/h323 client?

[MorphingDragon]

Unfortunately you're just experiencing a change into a new technology where little app developers are on board. (VB6 -> C#.Net anyone?)

EG: CLANG/LLVM was like this for a little while, then Apple came along. Now its better than GCC for C and Objective-C, and has an API for IDEs, and a greatly more verbose debugger than GDB. It also supports a better abstracted co-current processing framework, libdispatch (ATM, BSD only tho). (The moral of the story is growing pains are so totally worth it in the long run)

When pulse audio comes up to par on stability, Linux will finally have a working sound server that can match Window's and Mac OSX's sound server.

The only thing I have issues with pulse is old hardware (C-Media old) and certain games.

[forkbomb]

I'd just like to add that the Fedora Project doesn't specifically gun toward placating the "average user." Fedora is a staging ground for pushing new Linux developments (like Pulse, which was quite new when it was first rolled out on Fedora).

In other words Fedora is often about adopting newer and bumpier software that hasn't hit its stride yet.

[stevea]

Forkbomb is right. Fedora is not an install and forget distro.

FWIW; Like Beaker - after some initial, considerable pains about, I've hod no problems with pulseaudio.

[steelaworkn]

When I first installed Fedora 10, I though the best cure for sound was to get rid of Pulse-Audio. But it didn't take me long to figure out that Alsa and Pulse work together to provide some really awesome sound quality. Since F10, I haven't changed a thing to the built in sound that Fedora offers. Everything works well on my system. It actually handles my hardware better than XP or W7.

Before you mess with Pulse Audio, just make sure you get all your updates and get used to all the GUI controls and stuff.

[Dan]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the guy -- one way or the other ... but I am giving some serious consideration to adding the words "P*lseA*dio to our list of banned automatically asterisk-replaced swear words.

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[stoat]

What about the freedom that Linux offers? It is disappearing slowly, because users can not choose to NOT using (installing) pluseaudio.Hello antiwinhacker,

You are probably long gone from here. But if you still want to use Fedora, maybe you should try starting with a minimal install and then install only what you want. It's what I do. It's the developer's distro, and they're entitled to do what they want with it whether I like it or not. I figure that I can either make it work for me or go away.

[steelaworkn]

I guess I'm missing something here. What is wrong with Pulse-Audio? I haven't notice one thing. My sound just works, period. So, I'm confused. What's wrong with Pulse-Audio that it just needs to be removed? You don't yank a tooth out just because you're food ain't chewed properly.

[CronoCloud]

Linux was very friendly to me till that annonying little app did not came into the picture.
Applications became worser (some of them till not working well with pluseaudio), movie and audio are not played fluently.

I've had an application or two not get along with PulseAudio, but telling them to use ALSA instead (which is PulseAudio in disguise if I've read correctly) works well.

I have two soundcards, and can not redirect it to my second soundcard.

Having two soundcards can be problematic even in the best of times....do you really need two? Why not just use the best one.

Ron Rogers Jr. (CronoCloud)

[pwalden]

I have found pulseaudio to have more benefit than cost. For example, I can direct simultaneously to multiple sound cards over my LAN. The cost has been with stability. With F12 it went down. I play msuic all day and PA crashes at least 6 times a day and there are many dozens of kernel oops (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571213) a day as well (might actually be aan ALSA problem). At least mpd and PA auto-restart automagically.

[droidhacker]

I wouldn't go back to pre-pulseaudio days. PA is great. Works smooth and reliably, able to mix multiple audio streams, direct different streams to different devices with a simple click, etc.

[Dr.Diesel]

I wouldn't go back to pre-pulseaudio days. PA is great. Works smooth and reliably, able to mix multiple audio streams, direct different streams to different devices with a simple click, etc.

You should go and buy a lottery ticket right now..

[Zanpactou]

OK. Some tips :
You can usually disable pulseaudio in kde's systemsettings application using the multimedia control. If you use kde 4.
If you run a very current (Bleeding edge) Linux kernel, pulseaudio will likely not work anyway (It does not here.)

My personal opinion from experience is that pulseaudio does exactly what it says on the tin for me.
It sets a single master volume for all sound applications including the browser based flash player plugin.
It provides clearer sound by being the layer between alsa and the kernel.

If pulseaudio doesn't run on my machine, the sound output pops every time the device is opened by the kernel and the sound quality is worse. So my own user experience is less without pulseaudio.

I think if your main problem is skype, you should be pointing fingers and asking questions in their direction and not at pulseaudio.
If you struggle to understand how to disable pulseaudio, it's likely that your understanding is not at a level where you can be precise about where the problem lies.
The simplest thing to do is just uninstall it. No offence.

Thanks,
Zanpactou