Fed 13 for PPC

[desertrat]

Ok I'm old.
I have the original recipe for dirt in my files.
The dinasours all know me by my first name.
I use a G4 Mac (PPC).
It would seem I am in a minority.:D


I have been using Fedora because it seemed to be one of the few Distro's that would run on a Mac.

Now it doesn't as of Fed 13.:eek:

Will Fed 13 be ported to the PPC and PPC64?:confused:

[Firewing1]

Please see http://jwboyer.livejournal.com/33999.html and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/PowerPC - maybe, but there's no guarantees.

[desertrat]

From the looks of things,,... nothing is going to happen.
The first link does not seem to be any good, and the second takes me to the Fefora site that I have already explored trying to find Fed 13 for PPC.

I have a machine that works perfectly fine for me, but because it isn't an intel it isn't supported by anyone any more. Seems to be such a waste to replace it when it isn't damaged or broken completely.

[CronoCloud]

I use a G4 Mac (PPC).
It would seem I am in a minority.:D


CentOS says PPC support is "in progress". Have you thought about Yellow Dog? (says the former YDL on PS3 user)

Ron Rogers Jr. (CronoCloud)

[desertrat]

Maybe I should say I am a former YDL user also.
I changed to Fedora back at version 9. Two or three years back. At the last of the version 5 YDL distros.
Seemed you could use a lot of the Fedora packages with YDL at the time, but not things like the Kernel.

I may be going back to it if it still supports the PPC.
Can't see mothballing a perfectly good machine. Even if it is 8 or so years old. I am not a Windoze user that has to have a new machine every time MicroSnot sneezes out a new OS (at least two of the last three of which didn't work and had Windoze users switching either back to a previous OS or over to Macintosh.

[MorphingDragon]

Can't see mothballing a perfectly good machine..

Install Tiger. A fountain of youth for PPC macs.

[desertrat]

Iam running 10.5 (Tiger) on my Macs. I have two, both PPC machines. Both DualBooting Mac OS 5 and Fedora 12. Which are the last OS's of each that will run on them. And because the CPU clock speeds are less than 867mhz neither one is supposed to run Tiger according to Apple. How ever if you know what you are doing you can get the 10.5 OS to run on G4 machines that are just barely slower than that barrier.

OS 10.6 (Snow Tiger) will not work on either of them because it only supports Intel processors. Doesn't matter what speed the CPU runs, or how fast the bus is.

I have two perfectly good operating computers and see no reason to break out between 500 and 1200 bucks for a new machine just cause it has an Intel processor in it.

At the moment I have other things taking up my ready cash.

[MorphingDragon]

Iam running 10.5 (Tiger) on my Macs. I have two, both PPC machines. Both DualBooting Mac OS 5 and Fedora 12. Which are the last OS's of each that will run on them. And because the CPU clock speeds are less than 867mhz neither one is supposed to run Tiger according to Apple. How ever if you know what you are doing you can get the 10.5 OS to run on G4 machines that are just barely slower than that barrier.

OS 10.6 (Snow Tiger) will not work on either of them because it only supports Intel processors. Doesn't matter what speed the CPU runs, or how fast the bus is.

I have two perfectly good operating computers and see no reason to break out between 500 and 1200 bucks for a new machine just cause it has an Intel processor in it.

At the moment I have other things taking up my ready cash.

Tiger is 10.4. Leopard is 10.5. Snow Leopard is 10.6.

Tiger can run on G3s and up.

[bob]

Check out Paul's release notes:

Power PC Support ==

With Apple moving to Intel based machines and Sony PlayStation
dropping Linux support, Fedora PowerPC (PPC) usage has dropped
considerably. In Fedora 13, PPC is now a secondary architecture and
the Fedora release engineering team no longer manages PPC releases. If
you would like to participate in the PPC effort or any of the
secondary architecture teams, refer to:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures?F13an

[desertrat]

Bob, If I know how to do that sort of thing, I would gladly do it.
My talents don't run in that direction.:)

You want a progressive two barrel carburetor mounted on your early (first three generations) Goldwing, however I can - given the right tools - do that!:D

I have two of the early Wings, one that is running a 2 bbl Weber progressive that I think is the cat's meow!:p

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Tiger is 10.4. Leopard is 10.5. Snow Leopard is 10.6.

Tiger can run on G3s and up.

Yup! Yup! You are right!:eek:

I don't pay much attention to what they name the OS's just the numbers.

Mine are running 10.5.6 and the last tiger was 10.4.9 (or was at the time I updated to the other.) I would use 10.6.1 or 2, but like I stated above, They won't run on PPC machines.:(

[MorphingDragon]

Bob, If I know how to do that sort of thing, I would gladly do it.
My talents don't run in that direction.:)

You want a progressive two barrel carburetor mounted on your early (first three generations) Goldwing, however I can - given the right tools - do that!:D

I have two of the early Wings, one that is running a 2 bbl Weber progressive that I think is the cat's meow!:p

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Yup! Yup! You are right!:eek:

I don't pay much attention to what they name the OS's just the numbers.

Mine are running 10.5.6 and the last tiger was 10.4.9 (or was at the time I updated to the other.) I would use 10.6.1 or 2, but like I stated above, They won't run on PPC machines.:(

Dude just sell them and save up for a better computer. Im selling my eMac and my laptop so I can get one of those pretty i5 iMacs.

[desertrat]

Never cared for the Imacs much. I don't like having every thing in the one piece like that. If you get a drive go bad or (Heaven Forbid!) the monitor quits, then you are down until that gets fixed.Kinda feel that way about laptops, too. I like the tower based component models. But hey! That is just me. Everybody has their own preferences.

[MorphingDragon]

Never cared for the Imacs much. I don't like having every thing in the one piece like that. If you get a drive go bad or (Heaven Forbid!) the monitor quits, then you are down until that gets fixed.Kinda feel that way about laptops, too. I like the tower based component models. But hey! That is just me. Everybody has their own preferences.

You're down on a tower if your HDD quits or monitor fries.

[desertrat]

Monitor fries, you unplug it and replace it. Maybe a day depending on what time it burned.
Disc drive? open the side, disconnect it, and replace it. Maybe a day depending on what time it ground to a halt. Imac Or Emac? If it isn't the hdd then you are probably looking at a week minimum Unless you can hook it up to a external monitor like you can a laptop. I haven't looked at them real close so as to know.

One of those mini's on the other hand? Mmmm! Maybe. Get one of those and turn one of my towers into just a case to hold 3 or 4 external HDD and a DVD and maybe a JAZ or one of the other Iomega drives. You can put The Snow Leopard on one, then Yellowdog or Fedora on another and use the others to keep your music and movies on in a format that either OS will read and Bob's Your Uncle!

[MorphingDragon]

Monitor fries, you unplug it and replace it. Maybe a day depending on what time it burned.
Disc drive? open the side, disconnect it, and replace it. Maybe a day depending on what time it ground to a halt. Imac Or Emac? If it isn't the hdd then you are probably looking at a week minimum Unless you can hook it up to a external monitor like you can a laptop. I haven't looked at them real close so as to know.


How little you know of the things you judge.

[desertrat]

If I am not going to use them why bother?


With the new LCD and even newer LED monitors the heat from the monitors will be less, but the older models that used a CRT produced quite a lot of heat, And we both know that will destroy the electronics fairly quickly. I use LCD monitors on my Macs, but the only LED one is the TV my son just bought last week. Almost no heat at all from that one. I don't know what he can hook up to it, but there are all sorts of connectors on the back of it.

[MorphingDragon]

If I am not going to use them why bother?


With the new LCD and even newer LED monitors the heat from the monitors will be less, but the older models that used a CRT produced quite a lot of heat, And we both know that will destroy the electronics fairly quickly. I use LCD monitors on my Macs, but the only LED one is the TV my son just bought last week. Almost no heat at all from that one. I don't know what he can hook up to it, but there are all sorts of connectors on the back of it.

Apple tried to use All in One Computers without a fan, it worked until the broke the 350MhZ Barrier. The iMacs were fine one they put a fan in them.

[desertrat]

So which are you looking at?
the 21.5 inch diagonal or one of the 27 inch diagonals?

[MorphingDragon]

So which are you looking at?
the 21.5 inch diagonal or one of the 27 inch diagonals?

27" Man.

Lots of space for lots of code.

[desertrat]

Dual core or Quad core?

Wish I had that kinda money, but I need tires for my '78 Wing and a battery for my CJ5 first.

And 1700 or 2k starting price is way up outa my range right now.

But yeah I guess on space 1 terrabyte? Wasn't all that long ago we all thought 1 gigabyte was humongous!

[tox]

Dual core or Quad core?

Wish I had that kinda money, but I need tires for my '78 Wing and a battery for my CJ5 first.

And 1700 or 2k starting price is way up outa my range right now.

But yeah I guess on space 1 terrabyte? Wasn't all that long ago we all thought 1 gigabyte was humongous!
you could if you became a spammer :D

[desertrat]

Huh?:confused:

[MorphingDragon]

Dual core or Quad core?

Wish I had that kinda money, but I need tires for my '78 Wing and a battery for my CJ5 first.

And 1700 or 2k starting price is way up outa my range right now.

But yeah I guess on space 1 terrabyte? Wasn't all that long ago we all thought 1 gigabyte was humongous!

Nah man, Ive been saving from about 4 years ago.

Take the bus.

[leigh123linux]

you could if you became a spammer :D


Not recommended as spammers are total scum bags :mad:

[tox]

Not recommended as spammers are total scum bags :mad:

that they are but they do earn enough money by spamming to buy a New PC or whatever else

[desertrat]

Nah man, Ive been saving from about 4 years ago.

Take the bus.

Naw.

The public transport system in the Phoenix/Scottsdale and surrounding area sucks the big one!:cool:

And it does NOT go where I usually need to go. Closest one is probably three miles off at the end of it's run. At 110 in the shade it is not pleasant at all. Or worth it.

I'll take the motorcycle even though the tires should be replaced because of age checking.
And if I slow charge the JEEP it will do ok as long as I go a fair distance to keep the battery up. No 1 mile trips and shutting it off then starting it up again. The battery never gets a good even charge that way.

Plus as infrequently as I go any where lately it is cheaper to take the JEEP even if it does only get 17 mpg.:D

[greenpossum]

@desertrat: I feel for you. I have a couple of G5s with F12 that I've put to server duty. I was all ready to update to F13 when I saw the announcement. Sad but understandable. I will continue to use F12 until it goes out of support. If F13 PPC doesn't appear by then I have these options:

Ubuntu PPC
Debian
Yellowdog

Ubuntu 9.04 booted and installed fine in my initial testing. But I would rather stick to Fedora because my other servers at this location are RHEL and I'd like to have similar systems. I don't have a problem adapting to multiple distros but the other admins might think that RH is the only Linux on the planet.

As for CentOS PPC, that's an old projection that never came about. I don't see why they would since they devote their efforts to unbranding RHEL.

I know what you mean about not wasting hardware. There are quite a few old G5s idle at this site. Disks and RAM are easy to replace, and the video output works fine on a generic monitor (this is a server after all). In fact we put in a couple of 500GB disks running in software RAID1. But one of the units has a blown power supply and Apple wants a first-born child for a replacement. Fortunately we have more G5s to spare.

[desertrat]

Try out YellowDogLinux then.

It is RHEL or was in version 5, which is the last version I used. 6.2 says it will work on PPC, though I am not sure if they are talking about Mac. Maybe Playstation. There are other PPC platform machines out. Some IBM's are.

I will try YDL 6.2 one of these days to see.

As for power supplies, one of the nice things about the Macs is their power demands seem to be about half what the PC's (by this I mean the majority of WinDoze machines.). I think Fry's Electronics - if they are in your area - might have power supplies that will work.

[CronoCloud]

It is RHEL or was in version 5, which is the last version I used. 6.2 says it will work on PPC, though I am not sure if they are talking about Mac. Maybe Playstation. There are other PPC platform machines out. Some IBM's are.

Yes, there are PPC Mac YDL users, though starting in 2006 the PS3 YDL users began to outnumber them. You might want to visit the Yellow Dog Linux boards for more info:

http://www.yellowdog-board.com/ I was active over there when I still had YDL on my PS3.


I will try YDL 6.2 one of these days to see.


Hope it works out for you.

Ron Rogers Jr. (CronoCloud)

[desertrat]

Sony PlayStation no longer supports Linux as of this last March, I think. The firmware update does something to make Linux not work anymore.

I was running YDL 2 years ago, when I discovered that a lot of programs would run on it that came from the Fedora sites. I switched to Fedora to take advantage of the newer versions of the kernel that Fedora uses compared to the kernel in YDL. Plus all the programs available.

[MorphingDragon]

Sony PlayStation no longer supports Linux as of this last March, I think. The firmware update does something to make Linux not work anymore.

I was running YDL 2 years ago, when I discovered that a lot of programs would run on it that came from the Fedora sites. I switched to Fedora to take advantage of the newer versions of the kernel that Fedora uses compared to the kernel in YDL. Plus all the programs available.

Its still a completely ridiculous security flaw. YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE THING. :rolleyes:

Its reaffirmed my belief that Sony is a dying brand. As much as I don't want to admit it.

[desertrat]

You lost me.

Open what thing?

[MorphingDragon]

You lost me.

Open what thing?

The security flaw that made Sony remove the OtherOS option, involved opening up the PS3.

Ya, big security flaw.

[desertrat]

Don't have one. Do you mean the box it'sself? Or the OS or whatever?

[MorphingDragon]

Don't have one. Do you mean the box it'sself? Or the OS or whatever?

You have to open up the PS3, and solder some wires to a serial/LPT port on your computer.

[desertrat]

Oh, man. That's a pain in the tail.
Just to install linux?
Too much like work!

[MorphingDragon]

Oh, man. That's a pain in the tail.
Just to install linux?
Too much like work!

NO, this was to break the hypervisor to gain access to the Video card, which required installing linux. But its not possible without doing that very inconvenient step of opening the damn unit up.

Some security flaw sony.

[greenpossum]

I had a look at YDL but it doesn't give you a sense of confidence when half the listed mirrors don't work. I think Apple's switch of architecture and the Sony turnabout have put the last nails in. I will probably go with Debian when I have to go off F12.

[MorphingDragon]

I had a look at YDL but it doesn't give you a sense of confidence when half the listed mirrors don't work. I think Apple's switch of architecture and the Sony turnabout have put the last nails in. I will probably go with Debian when I have to go off F12.

I wouldn't expect Debians support to go very far either.