Internet connection with Dsl

[AshikagaTakauji]

I've downloaded the Fedora 13 Beta Kde CD and wanted to try it out.
After launching the Live CD, I wanted to connect to the internet using Dsl with my Realtek Wired onboard Lan (sky2 driver).

I've clicked on the NetworkManager symbol in the system tray, added a new entry on the "Wired" tab and entered the data for my wired connection (IP 192.168.1.1 etc.) and set it to connect automatically. When I was done, the icon in the system tray turned into the "Connected" icon.
I then switched to the Dsl tab, added a new entry and entered my data (user name and password).

Now there's just one small problem - when I click on the tray icon, it only lists the wired connection that I created, but not my Dsl connection :eek:
How do I connect to the internet now? (I haven't used this NetworkManager before.)
Gui only please, no command line! I know you can do it via command line, but that's far too inconvenient.

[jpollard]

I don't know about yours, but my DSL connection IS through the wired interface.

In my case, I needed to initialize it using DHCP, even though it seems to always
get the same IP number- that is likely because there is only one system connected
to the DSL router.

[stoat]

Hello AshikagaTakauji,

I don't really know the answer because I have a router between my computer and the DSL modem. So I use wired or wireless connections for all of my computers that deal with the router. The router then deals with the DSL modem. But if you are connected directly to the DSL modem, then I recommend that you delete that wired connection you created, and use only a DSL connection. Everything that you can enter in a wired connection can be entered in a DSL connection. See if that does any good. No promises because I've never connected directly to my DSL modem. But it shouldn't hurt to try.

[jpollard]

Its a bit tricky to delete the wired interface... since that is normally an ethernet
connection to the DSL.

For all intents and purposes, the DSL modem IS a router, just one with only one
interface (USB/internal DSL excepted...).

The possible problem being seen is that the IP address of the router is not
necessarily known.

That is why I use DHCP to request an IP, and get IP, DNS, and default route
information directly from the DSL modem/router.

Now I may be all wet here - I don't have an internal DSL modem in use.
If it is internal, AND does not act like an ethernet port, then it will be up
to the driver for that device to create the network interface.

If it can be done via command line (and it sounds like it can...) then there
may be no other way to do it. The driver for the interface will have to be
loaded.

The GUI is only for well known, and understood interfaces - it is useless
for driver options that may exist for only one device.

[AshikagaTakauji]

Hello AshikagaTakauji,

I don't really know the answer because I have a router between my computer and the DSL modem. So I use wired or wireless connections for all of my computers that deal with the router. The router then deals with the DSL modem. But if you are connected directly to the DSL modem, then I recommend that you delete that wired connection you created, and use only a DSL connection. Everything that you can enter in a wired connection can be entered in a DSL connection. See if that does any good. No promises because I've never connected directly to my DSL modem. But it shouldn't hurt to try.
Yes, the Dsl modem is directly connected - on the one side to the phone line, and on the other side by ethernet port to the onboard Realtek Lan.

I've tried now to create only a Dsl connection on the "Dsl" tab and no wired connection on the "Wired" tab.
Sadly that doesn't work either. If I click on the NetworkManager icon in the tray now, it only lists the default "Auto eth0" connection (which I cannot delete, because it doesn't appear on the "Wired" tab), the Dsl connection is still not listed.
When I create a new wired connection on the "Wired" tab (and manually enter IP etc.), it lists that new connection besides the default "Auto eth0" connection, like before. If I then click on the newly created wired connection, it connects and changes to the "Connected" icon, but that doesn't get me anywhere.
Clicking on the default "Auto eth0" entry is pointless, it just sits there for half a minute saying "Connecting" and then changes back to "Not connected".

In openSuse, I just created the connection with the Dsl wizard in the Yast Control Centre and can connect and disconnect easily by clicking the KInternet icon the system tray.
The NetworkManager isn't used at all there (thus I have no idea how to use it, as I said).

[stoat]

In openSuse, I just created the connection with the Dsl wizard in the Yast Control Centre and can connect and disconnect easily by clicking the KInternet icon the system tray.
The NetworkManager isn't used at all there (thus I have no idea how to use it, as I said).Okay. Well, if jpollard or someone else with direct experience with what you are doing doesn't come along with something else, then you can try creating a connection without NetworkManager in Fedora, too. And there is sort of a "wizard". It's the old Network Configuration utility. It's also known as (and started in a terminal with system-config-network). It's also found in the panel menus as "Network" or "Networking". Anyway, you can disable NetworkManager in services, and then try creating a new xDSL connection in that utility. Check the box to "Activate the device when the computer starts" and uncheck controlled by NetworkManager. Make sure the network service is enabled. Reboot. See what happens. Again, no promises. I have never done what I just said and am too lazy to connect something directly to my modem to try it myself. Sorry. Anyway, it's all reversible or deletable stuff to try.

[BugRocks1]

I configured my pppoe(a.k.a. DSL) connection just by:

- Right clicking on the networkmanager app and choosing "Edit connections"
- In the "DSL" tab I clicked "add"
- In the window that opens in the field "Connection Name" I put "I'm alive"
- On that same window in the DSL tab(another one LoL) I put my user name given by the ISP and the password the ISP gave me and clicked on apply.

That is all you need to do to configure DSL.

An image showing all you need to configure it.
http://ubuntuguide.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/network-manager1-309x360.png

If you want everybody on the computer to be able to use that connection there is the option "available to all users", maybe you created the account with another user and didn't use that option that is why is not showing, maybe just guessing.

---------- Post added at 02:20 AM CDT ---------- Previous post was at 02:14 AM CDT ----------

To see the connections available to connect you left click on the network manager icon and it should show you a list of connected and available connections.

It hit me that maybe you are right clicking and seeing the option "enable networking" and thinking that that is the way to connect.

[BugRocks1]

Some nice pictures :)

Again the steps to configure a DSL connection(a.k.a. pppoe)

- Right click on the NetworkManager and choose "Edit Connections..."
- On the number 1 window go to the tab "DSL" and click on the "add" button.
- Windown number 2 should open and on the tab "DSL" just put your username and password your ISP gave you and click apply.
- Close all the windows and left click on the NetworkManager and there should be your newly configured connection.

That is all it is to do, if that doesn't work there is a problem.

There are some options like the name of the connection(connection name), if you want to start it at boot automatically(connect automaticaly) and if you want the connection to be available to other users that the system may have(available to all users).

Advanced usage may be configuring the DNS servers on the second window on the tab IPv4 where in "method" you choose "Automatic PPPoE (addresses only)" and in DNS servers you put your DNS servers you like(example: 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220).

[andrewthomas]

It is probably easiest to let the modem handle the pppoe connection. What DSL modem are you using?

[AshikagaTakauji]

Thanks for the help so far, everyone. I'll try that out and report back then.

It is probably easiest to let the modem handle the pppoe connection.
How would I do that?

What DSL modem are you using?
It's the Dsl modem I got from my Isp.
Type sign reads: "Lucent Technologies, Model: Cell 19A-BX-AR"

[andrewthomas]

It should have a web based configuration utility. The manual should tell you the default IP to access it.
Maybe 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1

[AshikagaTakauji]

I tried it once more now, but still the same.
Here's what I did, with some screenshots:

First, left-clicked the system tray icon and chose "Manage connections": (curiously, the menu is the same for left-click and right-click :confused: )
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/632/nmdsl1.png (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/nmdsl1.png/)

Then, on the "Dsl" tab, I clicked the "Add" button to create a new Dsl connection:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3091/nmdsl2.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/nmdsl2.png/)

Here, I entered the Username and Password which I got from my Isp and clicked OK:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3317/nmdsl3.th.png (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/nmdsl3.png/)

The connection is now created, I clicked on "Apply" and then on OK:
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2517/nmdsl4.th.png (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/nmdsl4.png/)

However, clicking the system tray icon after creating the connection, it doesn't list it, just as before when I tried it:
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/862/nmdsl5.png (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/nmdsl5.png/)

It seems that this KNetworkManager program that comes with the Fedora 13 Beta Kde Live CD has some nasty bug :mad:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org//forum/images/icons/icon2.gif However, as you can see when you look at my pic and then the pics from BugRocks1, it looks quite different :confused:
It looks like you're using something else there, not the NetworkManager. How can I use that one you're using there?

@andrewthomas
I'll first try that other program BugRocks1 is using, if that doesn't work either, I'll try your suggestion.

[BugRocks1]

I'm using gnome not KDE.

But your configuration for the network should be in:

/home/[user]/.kde3.5/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc.

http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=23708

Alternatives:

- Press ALT+F2 it should open a window asking for what program to run and you paste "system-config-network" and configure your connection there, and it should have a little box saying "Controlled by Network Manager"

- Configuring the modem(router) you will need the password to access it if you rent it you will need to ask the ISP for it, then you need to type the internal IP address in the browser to get access to it and configure it or you can buy your own modem(router) and configure it yourself.

[AshikagaTakauji]

But your configuration for the network should be in:

/home/[user]/.kde3.5/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc.

http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=23708

Doesn't seem to apply here, as it does run - unlike in that thread where it doesn't run in the first place.
It just obviously can't handle any Dsl connections.

Alternatives:

- Press ALT+F2 it should open a window asking for what program to run and you paste "system-config-network" and configure your connection there, and it should have a little box saying "Controlled by Network Manager"
Ok, worth a try.

- Configuring the modem(router) you will need the password to access it if you rent it you will need to ask the ISP for it, then you need to type the internal IP address in the browser to get access to it and configure it or you can buy your own modem(router) and configure it yourself.
I'd have to contact my Isp for that password then... I'll try that if the "system-config-network" doesn't work.

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I've tried "system-config-network" now and got a good step farther :cool:

Upon starting it, I noticed it already had an eth0 connection. I edited it and unchecked "controlled by network manager", have it activate at every boot etc.
I then rebooted and it activated properly. Then I've created a Dsl connection, entered my details, clicked on "Activate"... and it worked properly! A working internet connection! :cool:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6867/fedora13netconf1a.th.png (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/fedora13netconf1a.png/)

So far so good, but just two details now:
- what's the name of the system tray application you use to control the internet connection? I don't want to run "system-config-network" every time to activate and deactivate it :(

- how do I get rid of the now useless KNetworkManager in the system tray? (If I hover my mouse over it, it just says "Unmanaged".)
It's not listed in the services window, where do I turn it off?

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/180/fedora13services.th.png (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/fedora13services.png/)

[stoat]

I noticed it already had an eth0 connection. I edited it and unchecked "controlled by network manager", have it activate at every boot etc.
I then rebooted and it activated properly. Then I've created a Dsl connection, entered my details, clicked on "Activate"... and it worked properly! A working internet connection! That's good.



...I don't want to run "system-config-network" every time to activate and deactivate itI would be very tempted to edit the xDSL connection in system-config-network and check "Activate device when the computer starts" for it as well. It couldn't hurt to try, and it's easily undone. If it works, you might have your Internet up and running after booting. And as for deactivating it... why would you want to do that?

[BugRocks1]

KNetworkManager was created because of that very issue I think. You could try ticking the "managed by Network Manager" in the DSL options and it should give control to KNetworkManager and letting it list that connection you created.

If not the only other option I see is to you to add the Network launcher to the panel I don't know how to do that in KDE sorry, maybe someone will come along and present a way.

[AshikagaTakauji]

That's good.

I would be very tempted to edit the xDSL connection in system-config-network and check "Activate device when the computer starts" for it as well. It couldn't hurt to try, and it's easily undone. If it works, you might have your Internet up and running after booting. And as for deactivating it... why would you want to do that?
Why would I want to be connected to the internet all the time? :confused:

KNetworkManager was created because of that very issue I think. You could try ticking the "managed by Network Manager" in the DSL options and it should give control to KNetworkManager and letting it list that connection you created.
I doubt that would work...

If not the only other option I see is to you to add the Network launcher to the panel I don't know how to do that in KDE sorry, maybe someone will come along and present a way.
What's the name of the system tray app you use in Gnome to control your internet connection? (The one shown in your pics.)
I'm pretty sure you should be able to use it in Kde as well - there are no problems using other Gnome apps in Kde (e.g. Gimp).

[stoat]

Why would I want to be connected to the internet all the time?Why not? When my computers are on, they are connected to the Internet. But I do often use a firewall lock whenever I am not using the Internet. Do what you want, of course. If you prefer to disable the network interface, then do that.



What's the name of the system tray app you use in Gnome to control your internet connection? (The one shown in your pics.)BugRocks1's screenshots are of the NetworkManager applet.

[AshikagaTakauji]

BugRocks1's screenshots are of the NetworkManager applet.
It's called "NetworkManager" as well, yet it's something completely different? How confusing... :confused:
Is there any way you can install this other NetworkManager on the Fedora 13 Beta Kde desktop?
(I found out how to disable the Kde NetworkManager, it's done in Kde systemsettings > Advanced > Hardware.)

[BugRocks1]

Not without installing the gnome-panel because the gnome networkmanager applet runs on it and wouldn't run on the KDE panel.

Those applets are GUI(Graphical User Interfaces) they run as frontends for networkmanager, they don't do anything you couldn't do editing the config files manually except when they are buggy and don't edit correctly those files.

[AshikagaTakauji]

Not without installing the gnome-panel because the gnome networkmanager applet runs on it and wouldn't run on the KDE panel.
I see... so there's no way to conveniently manage my internet connection from the system tray then. How sad :(

[AshikagaTakauji]

I just took a look at some Fedora 12 Kde screenshots and found it didn't have the broken KNetworkManager, but instead some other network applet, apparently just the same as the one in BugRocks1 screenshot:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7103/fedora12network.th.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/fedora12network.jpg/)

It was a pretty stupid idea to replace it with the broken KNetworkManager in Fedora 13 :(
That way, you certainly don't shake the persistent sentiment that Fedora has a pretty shoddy Kde implementation :eek:

I guess there's no way to import it from Fedora 12, right?