13 is an unlucky number

[shaohao]

:D
Should be use 14 instead

[Demz]

dont use fedora13 if its unlucky number. but i would think it will be more stable than previous releases :rolleyes:

[lovenemesis]

:D
Should be use 14 instead

Oops, someone from LinuxTOY. :)

[leigh123linux]

:D
Should be use 14 instead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_%28number%29#Lucky_13 :p

[giulix]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_%28number%29#Lucky_13 :p

True. Where I live 13 ain't unlucky, (17 is though) but we do not ready the table for 13. We add a seat, instead.... :D This comes from the Last Supper, I guess... meaning if you sit at the same table with 12 other people, one will betray another (or one will die, something like that) :eek:

[lovenemesis]

Another common myth towards western culture among Chinese? ;-)

[forkbomb]

It's like the old joke about those hotels that skip 13. If you go to a hotel and they give you a room on floor 14, think about it. You know what floor you're really on. :p

[tc@cs]

I've been worrying about this but after enjoying 12 so much I have actually been looking forward to 13.

[newiLuvatar]

well, I wouldn't say so. I just installed F13 Alpha on my USB stick, and it runs a lot faster than F12 did.
way to go!

[GoinEasy9]

quote from wikipedia
Traditionally, there are 13 witches in a Wiccan coven.

Geez, I thought we were 2 short. Thanks Leigh for the link. :rolleyes:

[PGHammer]

dont use fedora13 if its unlucky number. but i would think it will be more stable than previous releases :rolleyes:

I've just installed the A2 release of 13 (AKA Goddard); so far, it's more stable than Fedora (or Red Hat itself, for that matter) has been in a while, and that's despite the semi-bleeding-edge nature of the FOSS AMD drivers. The latest *flava* when it comes to 3D (kernel-based modesetting, or KMS) is actually present and accounted for in A2 (the first time any RPM-based distribution has included it; all the chat about KMS has usually been in reference to forks of Debian or distributions based on Debian, especially 'buntu). Because Fedora acts as the core for RHEL pretty much, it has tended to lag other RPM-based distributions (notably SuSE/openSuSE) and fall even further behind Gentoo and Debian, and nowhere has this been more noticeable than in terms of desktop graphical performance. Goddard A2 has literally stolen a march; not just on openSuSE and Mandriva, but, surprisingly, even 'buntu (as I said before, KMS has shown in some of the forks of 'buntu 10.04's alphas, but not directlly as part of the test trunk; with Goddard A2, KMS is present for Intel, AMD, and nV-based hardware, and as FOSS drivers).

So far, at least for me, 13 has proven to be lucky, Yet again.

[lovenemesis]

Though I am happy you like F13 alpha, I can not agree the lag of Fedora in term of technology innovation.

KMS has nothing to do with 3d acceleration and Fedora was the first distribution enabled it by default.
The developers of FOSS amd and nvidia driver work in Red Hat so far as I know.

[PGHammer]

Though I am happy you like F13 alpha, I can not agree the lag of Fedora in term of technology innovation.

KMS has nothing to do with 3d acceleration and Fedora was the first distribution enabled it by default.
The developers of FOSS amd and nvidia driver work in Red Hat so far as I know.

I was referring specifically to FOSS 3D driver stability (which has to do with not only DRI stability, but stability of the OpenGL underpinnings).

Until KMS, the most stable drivers for the big three graphics chipsets (not just AMD/ATI and nVidia, but even Intel) have been monolithic and proprietary as far as Linux has been concerned. With KMS applied in the FOSS drivers for all three, that has ceased to be the case. Stable non-proprietary 3D acceleration in Linux has been akin to the search for the Holy Grail - seemingly fruitless. (And while the developers of the AMD and nV [Nouveau] FOSS drivers may be RedHat employees, neither RedHat itself, or even Fedora, saw most of the code testing from git. I said that not as a dig against RedHat or even Fedora per se; however, I had to explain the source of the frustration from the POV of those of us that have been using Fedora and, in cases like mine, RedHat itself before there *was* a Fedora.)

It's actually nice to see Fedora and RH steal a march on everyone else.

[lovenemesis]

Honestly, I am a bit confused now.

Intel Linux driver has been open sourced with 3d acceleration and included in Linux before KMS though a huge regression happened during their memory management architecture migrating.

"neither RedHat itself, or even Fedora, saw most of the code testing from git"
Sorry, I don't understand this one. If they were actually Red Hat employee, I can not see a better place to public test their code than Fedora.

It's probably pointless to argue which Linux distribution contributes the most. You can find PulseAudio mainly developed by Fedora people in Ubuntu and Upstart mainly developed by Ubuntu in Fedora.
Furthermore, I think the word 'steal' is inappropriate in this case.

[gbraad]

:D
Should be use 14 instead

And 4 is a unlucky number in Chinese. We didn't skip that one either in Redhat Linux and for Fedora Core.

You should know the 13 as unlucky number is western superstition. Since Fedora and it's community is so diverse in culture, we do not want to distinguish between those.

[lovenemesis]

And 4 is a unlucky number in Chinese. We didn't skip that one either in Redhat Linux and for Fedora Core.

You should know the 13 as unlucky number is western superstition. Since Fedora and it's community is so diverse in culture, we do not want to distinguish between those.

I will never forget Fedora 4 since it served as a birthday present. :D

[stevea]

dont use fedora13 if its unlucky number. but i would think it will be more stable than previous releases :rolleyes:

Huh - the odd numbered kernel suffixes (2.3, 2.5) are experimental and the even ones "stable. I could argue that the odd numbered Fedora's are less stable than the even ones ... F9 and F11 were comparatively troublesome compared to F10, F12.

Naw -with a little slippage Fedora 16 will be released just in time for the end of the Mayan calendar and ... well that could be unlucky. Is 2^2^2 unlucky ?

[gbraad]

Huh - the odd numbered kernel suffixes (2.3, 2.5) are experimental and the even ones "stable.

Please read:
http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Kernel_Release_Numbering_Redux
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/3/2/247

:-P

[jamesph]

no matter what they say. there is no lucky or unlucky number. 13 is as cool as 14 or 12 for that matter. I would rather say that 13 should be a masterpiece so that all this subsides.

[AdamW]

The 3D support for r500+ and NVIDIA wasn't enabled in Fedora until we thought it was working at a level which might be vaguely useful to _someone_ other than people directly involved in development of the driver, who don't really need it to be in the packages. Both are available in F13, if you install mesa-dri-drivers-experimental

BTW, not all the developers on nouveau or radeon are Red Hat staff, though RH staff do take a significant role in developing both.

Oh, and on the topic of this thread - don't worry, we're working extra hard to make sure F13 is crap and will eat your babies ;)

[GoinEasy9]

Oh, and on the topic of this thread - don't worry, we're working extra hard to make sure F13 is crap and will eat your babies

Your failing, I already have less problems running F13 and rawhide than I do maintaining F12.