XFCE4.8 inclusion in F13?

[Demz]

hello, i just read there's a new release schedule, http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.8/schedule meaning the final being 2010-06-12 wont this mean 4.8 will not go into F13?

may wanna read this http://gezeiten.org/post/2010/01/Xfce-4.8-Schedule-Changes

[aleph]

Good news.

XFCE 4.6 has been riddled with tiny yet annoying regressions. It is also putting on more bloat. I guess by the time I switch to F13 I may have ditched XFCE already. Heck, I may even throw away Fedora altogether and switch to something not (yet) so deeply infected by GNOME.

[Demz]

they dont have a lot of Developers over there, just look at E17, that was supposed to get more love an yet it hasnt, not very fast paced anyway, its the same with compiz project

[Wayne]

they dont have a lot of Developers over there, just look at E17, that was supposed to get more love an yet it hasnt, not very fast paced anyway, its the same with compiz project

Someone mentioned on the Ubuntu forum that Compiz was now down to one developer. Maybe they're all working on Gnome Shmell :)

[Demz]

Someone mentioned on the Ubuntu forum that Compiz was now down to one developer. Maybe they're all working on Gnome Shmell :)

interesting, thanks for the info Wayne. doesnt surprise me though if this is true, i always thought compiz project was pretty much dead anyway

[cwickert]

hello, i just read there's a new release schedule, http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.8/schedule meaning the final being 2010-06-12 wont this mean 4.8 will not go into F13?

may wanna read this http://gezeiten.org/post/2010/01/Xfce-4.8-Schedule-Changes
Unfortunately we had to drop Xfce 4.8 from F-13, see my announcement her (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2010-January/000012.html)e.

XFCE 4.6 has been riddled with tiny yet annoying regressions. It is also putting on more bloat.
What kind of regressions and bloat are you thinking about?

[slumbergod]

I've been using Xubuntu for several years but have been a bit unsatisfied with the latest release and was thinking Fedora Xfce Spin could be worth trying. Since people have touched on a couple of issues I was curious about in this thread I thought I'd just tag my question on here...

If anyone has been using the beta for Fedora 13 Xfce Spin (as well as Xubunty Lucid) does it feel lighter? Xubuntu Lucid is now feeling pretty heavy as more and more gnome dependencies have been added (notably Pulse Audio).

Also, Lucid has a terrible bug in the interaction between Thunar and Gnome in which the detailed view is not available (it isn't a showstopper unless you use that view as your default). Is that bug plaguing the beta for Xfce spin?

(if there is a more appropriate place for my query please tell me nicely. I am not familiar with the Fedora community and I don't have a lot of tolerance for unnecessarily rude replies - Ubuntu forums are now plagued by such people now).

[CSchwangler]

I don't know Xubuntu, so I will try to compare F13 Gnome and XFCE. The XFCE Spin is definitely lighter than Gnome and it gets even lighter if you disable services and automatically started applications you don't need. However, I guess what mostly influences your experience are the applications you will use. For instance, OpenOffice will feel slow on Gnome as well as on XFCE, if you have an older machine. I would suggest you download a liveCD of the XFCE Spin and try it out. Then compare it to the liveCD of Xubuntu and you will get a reasonable impression.

[AdamW]

Fedora's Xfce spin uses PulseAudio. PA is not a 'GNOME dependency', it's a sound server. It has no particular relationship to GNOME.

[slumbergod]

Thanks for the feeback. I think I will try 13 when it is released as you suggest.

@AdamW ~ sorry, I realise Pulse isn't a dependency. What I was trying to emphasise was that Xubuntu had been getting heavier and heavier. Several releases ago they dropped pulse because of its endless problems but out of fairness, its inclusion in the latest version was problem-free.

So does anyone trialling the beta know whether they have encountered the Thunar bug where you cannot use the detailed view? (my understanding is it present also in Arch and is related to a Gnome file that was updated for the release)

[nirik]

So does anyone trialling the beta know whether they have encountered the Thunar bug where you cannot use the detailed view? (my understanding is it present also in Arch and is related to a Gnome file that was updated for the release)

Yes, it's a gtk2 change in behavior/bug.

It's worked around in the latest exo update:

http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/exo-0.3.106-3.fc13

[Min]

Will there be a way to upgrade xfce to 4.8 in F12? Maybe with --enablingrepo option of yum. Or must i use tarball?

[nirik]

Will there be a way to upgrade xfce to 4.8 in F12? Maybe with --enablingrepo option of yum. Or must i use tarball?

Perhaps. I'm not going to commit to anything when 4.8 is not released... F12 may be end of life by then, or it may require lots of other packages to be updated to function. We just don't know at this point. ;)