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RahulSundaram
16th November 2009, 08:14 PM
Hi,

While we are waiting on the official release of Fedora 12 tomorrow, a lot of work has already been going on for months in the Fedora 13 branch. Rawhide now points to Fedora 13 as of today and we welcome you to participate in the development and launch of Fedora 13 in April 2010

Before you jump in, I highly recommend that you take a few minutes and read

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/FeatureList

I will keep this post updated on any other items of interest going forward. Thank you.

Jongi
17th November 2009, 05:58 PM
How far down the line would the likes of rpmfusion start releasing packages for rawhide?

RahulSundaram
18th November 2009, 06:42 AM
Hi,

A few days at the most.

Demz
18th November 2009, 06:46 AM
isnt Python3 in the repo's now? ( f12 )

RahulSundaram
18th November 2009, 07:03 AM
Hi,

It will be after the review process

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126

Demz
18th November 2009, 07:05 AM
so Rahul is Python3 gonna be Default in F14 or no?

RahulSundaram
18th November 2009, 07:11 AM
Hi,

Unlikely since Python 3 is incompatible with Python and Fedora is a extensive Python user.

Jongi
18th November 2009, 05:05 PM
How far down the line would the likes of rpmfusion start releasing packages for rawhide?

oh ok. so i'll wait before i install F12.

RahulSundaram
18th November 2009, 05:14 PM
@Jongi, Rawhide is the current development branch leading to Fedora 13. RPM Fusion already has been announced for Rawhide and Fedora 12.

hephasteus
19th November 2009, 07:17 AM
So fedora is going to stay with intermediary python until old python is gone enough to switch to exclusive usage of python 3?

Demz
19th November 2009, 07:50 AM
Hi,

Unlikely since Python 3 is incompatible with Python and Fedora is a extensive Python user. Rahul .. if Fedora is Python extensive distro why doesnt fedora be the first distro to offer it as Default in F13? Python3 is still Python just newer technology which im sure Fedora likes to push from time to time.

RahulSundaram
19th November 2009, 08:50 AM
"Rahul .. if Fedora is Python extensive distro why doesnt fedora be the first distro to offer it as Default in F13?"

Because it isn't realistic or feasible considering the amount of programs that will break. Many upstream developers aren't looking to move over anytime soon. Even a basic print statement is different from Python 3 compared to Python 2. It is similar for Perl 6 that Fedora 12 include. Python 3 and Python 2 are different enough to be considered as separate languages. They both will exist in parallel for many many years.

hephasteus
19th November 2009, 04:02 PM
"Rahul .. if Fedora is Python extensive distro why doesnt fedora be the first distro to offer it as Default in F13?"

Because it isn't realistic or feasible considering the amount of programs that will break. Many upstream developers aren't looking to move over anytime soon. Even a basic print statement is different from Python 3 compared to Python 2. It is similar for Perl 6 that Fedora 12 include. Python 3 and Python 2 are different enough to be considered as separate languages. They both will exist in parallel for many many years.

Ok. I was going to stay out of it cause I know python breaking will be the biggest bane of preupgrade. So I was going to avoid any preupgrading and just get to the end game. But appears there won't be an end game switchover for quite some time.

RahulSundaram
19th November 2009, 04:34 PM
Hi,

The way it is being packaged, Python 3 won't interfere with the base Python 2 installation. Preupgrade will just continue use Python 2 just like yum, Anaconda etc

Jongi
19th November 2009, 04:57 PM
@Jongi, Rawhide is the current development branch leading to Fedora 13.

yeah i know. i happen to be one of those that missed the f12 beta to f12 update and instead find myself with f13 (rawhide).

i should have said reinstall f12.

Demz
29th December 2009, 04:01 AM
Rahul

whats happening with Grub2 an F13? will it be Default or no? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Grub2

also any chance Ruby01.9.2 make its way into F13? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ruby_1.9.1

RahulSundaram
29th December 2009, 10:46 AM
The feature page status is all I know about those features.

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