Fedora 12 will be codenamed...

[sideways]

One of:

> Chilon
> Constantine
> Orville
> Rugosa
> Umbria

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-June/msg00004.html

Selected from this list:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_12

Do Fedora Team know that Orville is associated with a very annoying big fluffy yellow ventriloquist puppet bird over here in the UK? (If Orville wins I'm moving to Mint ;) )

[super.rad]

Orville was green
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/media/images/galleries/tv/thebest80stvcouples/originals/Orville.gif
Fedora 12 Orivlle FTW! haha

[sideways]

blimey, I've gone through my whole life thinking Orville was yellow, I'm now in slight shock/confusion.

I'm sure Orville was yellow on my tv, mind you, so was Keith Harris' face (we couldn't afford a decent tv)

:)

[NoEffex]

Constantine sounds the most BA. Plus constantine has a history of being powerful, and such.

[MorphingDragon]

Fedora 12, Stampede

[Geochelone]

I wish it'll be Rugosa as I personally own a pair of turtle with scientific name of Macrochelodina Rugosa :3

[stefan1975]

mmmm i don't really like any of those names. It seems to be going downhill lately, Cambridge also had lots more cooler alternatives. Well at least it isn't called Wacky Worm or something like that.

Of the list Constantine might be the least annoying one but I can't pronounce it without visualising Keanu Reeves in a very bad movie.

what happened to cool names like "terror" or "whiskey run"

[Demz]

the people that make the choices of the names are smoking something heavy

but at the end of the day i dont care about the name. .as long as F12 is better than 11

[stefan1975]

the people that make the choices of the names are smoking something heavy

but at the end of the day i dont care about the name. .as long as F12 is better than 11

better still? and here i thought F11 was great too?! well reading the tentative feature list i am already looking forward to F12. and if they ever create a nouveau that does decent 3d i will finally be rid of kmod-nvidia as well and can enjoy KMS like the rest of the open source community.

[JONOR]

They might make some good combo's : chilville, ambrosia ?

[Demz]

better still? and here i thought F11 was great too?! well reading the tentative feature list i am already looking forward to F12. and if they ever create a nouveau that does decent 3d i will finally be rid of kmod-nvidia as well and can enjoy KMS like the rest of the open source community.

AdamW did say they may turn on 3D in the beta .. but i think the last of Gnome2.xx series should be better than any other Gnome, an KDE4.3 should be pretty good in F12 to. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=223388

[MorphingDragon]

mmmm i don't really like any of those names. It seems to be going downhill lately, Cambridge also had lots more cooler alternatives. Well at least it isn't called Wacky Worm or something like that.

Of the list Constantine might be the least annoying one but I can't pronounce it without visualising Keanu Reeves in a very bad movie.

what happened to cool names like "terror" or "whiskey run"

Dont encourage Canonical!!!!

Leonidas is the name of King Leonidas the First. A king of sparta...
THIS IS SPARTA!!!

>.<

[stefan1975]

KDE4.3 should be pretty good in F12 been trying KDE4.3 beta2 lately, it is a definite improvement over KDE4.2. I never cared much for the KDE3.x series but since KDE4.2+ i am a convert.

[stefan1975]

Dont encourage Canonical!!!! fortunately i said that it was a good thing F11 is *not* called Elegant Elephant or something ... no encouraging on my part there. :-)

Leonidas is the name of King Leonidas the First. A king of sparta...
THIS IS SPARTA!!!

i think Leonidas was chosen for being a ship in the UK royal navy rather then being based on "300".

[Demz]

been trying KDE4.3 beta2 lately, it is a definite improvement over KDE4.2. I never cared much for the KDE3.x series but since KDE4.2+ i am a convert.

i had a look at KDE4.3 beta on OpenSuse, looked nice.. but yeah i myself like KDE4 over Gnoime but i do like a few Gnome Apps

[stefan1975]

i had a look at KDE4.3 beta on OpenSuse, looked nice.. but yeah i myself like KDE4 over Gnoime but i do like a few Gnome Apps

i used to have lots of gnome apps even in KDE, but lately i have been more and more impressed with the KDE alternatives, i never like konqueror as browser or filemanager but dolphin is great, as is plasma, gwenview, kickoff, powerdevil, krdc (over tsclient) etc. The only GTK stuff i use is brasero (never did like k3b, maybe the QT4 version of Mandriva will be better) and firefox (still waiting for a QT4 build of opera_x64) and NetworkManager (there just is no alternative).

[MorphingDragon]

fortunately i said that it was a good thing F11 is *not* called Elegant Elephant or something ... no encouraging on my part there. :-)



i think Leonidas was chosen for being a ship in the UK royal navy rather then being based on "300".

I've never watched 300!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_I
I was just being a prick.

[scottro]

It's like Meet the Spartans, only funnier.

[stefan1975]

It's like Meet the Spartans, only funnier.

i actually kind of liked it, maybe it helped that it was my 1st bluray movie but I actually sat through the whole thing.

[Min]

I like umbria. Remind me of moon (although it might not reference to the moon)

[MorphingDragon]

i used to have lots of gnome apps even in KDE, but lately i have been more and more impressed with the KDE alternatives, i never like konqueror as browser or filemanager but dolphin is great, as is plasma, gwenview, kickoff, powerdevil, krdc (over tsclient) etc. The only GTK stuff i use is brasero (never did like k3b, maybe the QT4 version of Mandriva will be better) and firefox (still waiting for a QT4 build of opera_x64) and NetworkManager (there just is no alternative).

KPackageKit is nasty. I'm waiting for chrome. *Crosses fingers it uses the Computer's QT Theme.

[Demz]

i used to have lots of gnome apps even in KDE, but lately i have been more and more impressed with the KDE alternatives, i never like konqueror as browser or filemanager but dolphin is great, as is plasma, gwenview, kickoff, powerdevil, krdc (over tsclient) etc. The only GTK stuff i use is brasero (never did like k3b, maybe the QT4 version of Mandriva will be better) and firefox (still waiting for a QT4 build of opera_x64) and NetworkManager (there just is no alternative).

i dont mind Brasero but it stil has its problems with burning.. i dont mind k3b either

[scottro]

Y'know, if they spent as much effort on getting certain things to work as they do on naming.....

Especially as almost no one uses the name.

Cynically yours....

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

It is not the same people. The people who do the naming thingy is not going to fix say any installer bugs anyway. It is a way to engage different kinds of people. If you don't find it interesting, ignore it.

[scottro]

Believe it or not, that is comforting to know. I feel better about it now. (That's not sarcastic, though it may sound, in writing, as if it is.)

In that case, shucks, more power to 'em. :)

[nickysn]

fortunately i said that it was a good thing F11 is *not* called Elegant Elephant or something ... no encouraging on my part there. :-)



i think Leonidas was chosen for being a ship in the UK royal navy rather then being based on "300".

Yes, but the theme of F11 was inspired by the spartan king (it's ancient greek), not the ship. It even says "Fedora 11: Reign." on the http://fedoraproject.org/ front page.



Do Fedora Team know that Orville is associated with a very annoying big fluffy yellow ventriloquist puppet bird over here in the UK? (If Orville wins I'm moving to Mint ;) )

Actually, I was the one, who suggested the "Orville" name (DISCLAIMER: so obviously, I'm biased :) ) and although I'm not from the UK, I also checked out some clips with Orville the Duck on YouTube - thought it was really funny, not annoying :) Teletubbies are annoying, Orville is cute :) Anyway, the main idea was to have something guitar related or music related. It's also the name of Orville Wright - one of the Wright brothers, so some airplane-related theme would also be cool. Check out the design team discussion at:

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000065.html

There are some very nice ideas for themes there, not only for Orville, but also the others. Some of them I also like, but I won't tell you which ones, because, as I said, I'm biased :)

[stefan1975]

KPackageKit is nasty. I'm waiting for chrome. *Crosses fingers it uses the Computer's QT Theme.

chrome is being build in GTK not QT

http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/linux_chrome_with_gtk_cross_platform_complication

[stefan1975]

well of the list i guess Rugosa is the least sucky. I like the ways it links to Leonidas and the dozen part is also a good match to F12. I still would prefer something like Terror though with the F10 InvinXble theme.

[Demz]

well of the list i guess Rugosa is the least sucky. I like the ways it links to Leonidas and the dozen part is also a good match to F12. I still would prefer something like Terror though with the F10 InvinXble theme.

i'd like terror to since Fedora can be just that at times. :D

[MorphingDragon]

chrome is being build in GTK not QT

http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/linux_chrome_with_gtk_cross_platform_complication

Damn!!! GTK is horrible :(

[Demz]

we havent seen GTK3 yet, you might think differently

[stefan1975]

ah well I am not particularly fond of GTK2 either, GTK3 is a ways off, so I personally would prefer a native QT4 build as well, although with qtcurver or the gtk-qt-engine it isn't that big of a problem anymore (visually at least, it still sucks I have to run GTK stuff in my "pure" KDE install). firefox is still GTK only as well, although there was a tech preview of a QT build once. For now just opera has QT builds.

[Demz]

ah well I am not particularly fond of GTK2 either, GTK3 is a ways off, so I personally would prefer a native QT4 build as well, although with qtcurver or the gtk-qt-engine it isn't that big of a problem anymore (visually at least, it still sucks I have to run GTK stuff in my "pure" KDE install). firefox is still GTK only as well, although there was a tech preview of a QT build once. For now just opera has QT builds.

not ways off.. GTK3 will be released after Gnome2.28

http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven

[stefan1975]

not ways off.. GTK3 will be released after Gnome2.28

http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven

how they will bring GTK / gnome to the 21st century then. I always liked gnome, but ever since 2.20 or so I have not seen much improvement, and even with all the things being broken in KDE4.0 / 4.1 I am really attracted by what the KDE devs are doing with it. Couldn't really find a direction they are headed with it or gnome3.

imho it is much like fedora, changing a lot of things, being first new technologies .... and yes at times breaking things that worked horribly whereas gnome is much more ubuntuish, gradual improvements and minor (visual) changes focusing on stability over features. I really like the whole plasma thing, and the fact that it runs pretty smooth on my GPU, especially since the release of QT4.5

[Demz]

wait till after 2.28 , we aint even seen Gnome3 yet , it might be as good as KDE4 . i just hope it isnt a disaster like Gnome2.0 was when it was released but i for one think at least Gnome has done it right where as KDE folks havent, KDE4.0 was pretty much like Gnome2.0 a disaster.

[MorphingDragon]

imho it is much like fedora, changing a lot of things, being first new technologies .... and yes at times breaking things that worked horribly whereas gnome is much more ubuntuish.

I feel your pain.

[YeOK]

how they will bring GTK / gnome to the 21st century then. I always liked gnome, but ever since 2.20 or so I have not seen much improvement, and even with all the things being broken in KDE4.0 / 4.1 I am really attracted by what the KDE devs are doing with it. Couldn't really find a direction they are headed with it or gnome3.

imho it is much like fedora, changing a lot of things, being first new technologies .... and yes at times breaking things that worked horribly whereas gnome is much more ubuntuish, gradual improvements and minor (visual) changes focusing on stability over features. I really like the whole plasma thing, and the fact that it runs pretty smooth on my GPU, especially since the release of QT4.5

I could be wrong, but I think Gnome 3x will be built using existing software. (Sure I will be corrected). One of which is Gnome-shell, you can get it working easy now, I have tried it on Fedora 10.

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell

[serverman]

F12 sparta! Oh i see it now fedora logo with sparta kicking a man off the top while waving his sword in the air and screaming THIS IS SPARTA!
i just want to see python 3 power get utilized.

[wvn]

I go with Constantine :)

[leigh123linux]

I go with Constantine :)

I voted for Constantine :)

[Demz]

i vote for Broke

[bob]

Just got Paul's message: It's Constantine

[aleph]

Just got Paul's message: It's Constantine

Just saw that on Paul Frields' Identi.ca

Not bad name but a bit too... predictable... IMHO

[sideways]

Just got Paul's message: It's Constantine

seems popular, wonder where orville came in the final vote.

Now I might suggest 'Neo' for F13, based on the relationship: Neo is a movie character played by Keanu Reeves. :)

[nickysn]

Orville got third:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-June/msg00017.html


At close of voting there were:
393 valid ballots

Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a maximum of
1965 votes (393*5).

Results:

1. Constantine 1167
- --[ Cut Off ] --
2. Umbria 941
3. Orville 792
4. Rugosa 740
5. Chilon 530

As such, Constantine has been selected as the release name for Fedora 12.


I don't like Constantine, it reminds me of a terrible Bulgarian pop-folk singer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrKfBrQySFc

Neo would be a cool name for F13, though.

[nickysn]

Although, come to think of it, Neo is most probably trademarked:
http://www.neosoftware.com/

I'd suggest Milko Kalaydjiev, who is also a terrible Bulgarian pop-folk singer :)
http://www.myspace.com/milkokalaidjiev

...or Azis :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azis

[Demz]

thats not a bad name, but at the end of the day who cares what it i. it'll still be reverted to aas F12

[scottro]

I keep suggesting Scott, but it's always ignored. :D:D

[Trapper]

Around here a few names for F11 are starting to come to mind. ;)

[JohnnyLinux]

Why Constantine? what does it refer to?

[Demz]

Why Constantine? what does it refer to?

http://www.google.com/search?q=Constantine&ie=UTF-8 try that

[JohnnyLinux]

http://www.google.com/search?q=Constantine&ie=UTF-8 try that

Because of the movie?

[Demz]

i dont know exactly but i would think maybe of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I

[RahulSundaram]

Hi.

I have added some details at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names

[JohnnyLinux]

I don't know about you guys, but I like the more recent names. The first five make me feel as if I was using a drunk Linux distribution.
Names are getting better in my opinion starting from Sulphur.

[sideways]

Hi.

I have added some details at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names

The wikipedia article on St Joseph's County illustrates the 'is-a' relationship with Leonidas. Not hugely imaginative considering a similar relationship was used to connect Sulphur and Cambridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Joseph_County,_Michigan#Cities.2C_villages.2C_ and_townships

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

The creativity in the relationships is just one of the criteria. How many other relationships exist for example is another. Also many of the names are also trademarks which prevent them from being used as codenames. It the end, it is the name with the most votes from the community. and its all just for fun anyway. Don't take it too seriously.

[sideways]

I think post #2 in this thread illustrates the level of seriousness here quite effectively ;)

[aleph]

I don't know about you guys, but I like the more recent names. The first five make me feel as if I was using a drunk Linux distribution.


Fedora: I have been, and always shall be, The Drunkard of Distros. Live long and prosper! <Takes another shot of Romulan ale.>:D

[JohnnyLinux]

Fedora: I have been, and always shall be, The Drunkard of Distros. Live long and prosper! <Takes another shot of Romulan ale.>:D

Lol.
Well, just as long as the users and developers still manage to keep up a Kick @ss distro.

[wvn]

Because of the movie?

Yes Timmy, the movie "launched" the name & Myth Constantine.....

[JohnnyLinux]

We should have called Fedora 12, Timmytine
Maybe Fedora 13.