Tid bits from the Cosmos - correct or not?

[SlowJet]

1. RPM has a problem - (from final on, rc1 may be ok.)
2. PRESTO has a problem - does not work with rpm, does not work with PackageKit, does not handle kernel install correctly.
3. Firefox (for rawhide) has a complete security melt down and is pretty much worthless.
4. All the latest Kernels are ops'ing about every haly hour. (70, 97, 100, 101
Kernel 101 with rpm final gets fail to read image but continues to boot. (The only change was a xen flag and the rpm version.)

SJ

[marko]

I'm not having these problems (I have Rawhide on my Sony Vaio in the signature), I just updated it to the current stuff in the rawhide repos now (Eastern time 4:30pm Sunday 4/19).

In fact the presto really helped because I'm in a net cafe and usually to be nice when I don't have presto I don't do a yum update in a big wad but pick and choose a few at a time to not hog the connection.
But with presto I can do them all in one go (I usually get a 10x or more reduction)

NOTE: When I booted the 85 kernel I'm using special options: nomodeset nopat
due to the Xorg

[SlowJet]

I'm not having these problems (I have Rawhide on my Sony Vaio in the signature), I just updated it to the current stuff in the rawhide repos now (Eastern time 4:30pm Sunday 4/19).

In fact the presto really helped because I'm in a net cafe and usually to be nice when I don't have presto I don't do a yum update in a big wad but pick and choose a few at a time to not hog the connection.
But with presto I can do them all in one go (I usually get a 10x or more reduction)

NOTE: When I booted the 85 kernel I'm using special options: nomodeset nopat
due to the Xorg


But your case does not do any of those things.

The update would have used rpm-rc1 and the new rpm packages was updated last.
You used yum, not PackageKit.
You didn't use the same kernel.
The kernel ops is most like alsa on my SB Live.
It is spewing hundreds of messages.
What brand, model of sound do you have?
Is sound playing ok.

I tried stopping as many programs services as I could and that only made the kernel ops more, about every 10 seconds. But P/A and Alsa still started anyway.

I'm going to downgrade to rpm rc1 and reinstall the kernels see what happens.

SJ

[marko]

But your case does not do any of those things.

The update would have used rpm-rc1 and the new rpm packages was updated last.
You used yum, not PackageKit.
You didn't use the same kernel.
The kernel ops is most like alsa on my SB Live.
It is spewing hundreds of messages.
What brand, model of sound do you have?
Is sound playing ok.

I tried stopping as many programs services as I could and that only made the kernel ops more, about every 10 seconds. But P/A and Alsa still started anyway.

I'm going to downgrade to rpm rc1 and reinstall the kernels see what happens.

SJ

Sound is ok, but I did need to go into alsamixer and increase the Master control a bit, I think
I could have used the pulseaudio volume control to do that too but didn't.
the sound module is snd_hda_intel -- Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
I went into amarok (amarok-2.0.2-6.fc11.x86_64 ) and played some internet radio just fine
I'm not sure what you mean about presto not working with Rpm, yum uses rpm with presto and mine is working ok
firefox is working fine ( firefox-3.1-0.11.beta3.fc11.x86_64 ) here
my machine is a Sony Vaio SZ730, 4GB, kernel 2.6.29.1-85.fc11.x86_64

I usually only update to the rawhide kernels and don't go into the unusual koji kernels you seem to be doing

[SlowJet]

Sound is ok, but I did need to go into alsamixer and increase the Master control a bit, I think
I could have used the pulseaudio volume control to do that too but didn't.
the sound module is snd_hda_intel -- Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
I went into amarok (amarok-2.0.2-6.fc11.x86_64 ) and played some internet radio just fine
I'm not sure what you mean about presto not working with Rpm, yum uses rpm with presto and mine is working ok
firefox is working fine ( firefox-3.1-0.11.beta3.fc11.x86_64 ) here
my machine is a Sony Vaio SZ730, 4GB, kernel 2.6.29.1-85.fc11.x86_64

I usually only update to the rawhide kernels and don't go into the unusual koji kernels you seem to be doing

1. Used the alsa -c0 command and increased the sound also.
2. I used P/A volume control, which was completely different for F11, and it was broken.
3. We have differnet sound devices.
4. You used presto drpms that work for rpm-rc1, because rpm-final.1 came down with the updates (you have not used rpm-final.1 yet.)
5. Fx is not fine, it needs selinux allow_execmem boolean on, it is running as a mozilla wapper selinux_type, and has set suid on all the plugins, automatically loads them as root globaly
The programmer said he went through great effort to circumvent the security system. Dumb, really dumb..
6. Once the kernel is in koji it is just as good a something in rawhide. Rawhide hasn't been tested at all.

The point being that tomorrow many updater could fine their rawhide very broken.
The dev's have NOT indicated that they fixed presto or rpm.

SJ

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

Some of the descriptions are vague and I am not sure the problems if any has been reported in bugzilla. Has it been? A specific bug report would go a long way towards verifying these issues

[AdamW]

I don't think any of those are true, exactly, or certainly not as apocalyptic as they sound.

I'm not sure what you mean by Presto "doesn't work" with rpm...of course using plain rpm can't use the Presto-handled deltarpms, but that's not really a problem, as there's no normal case where you'd want or need to do that.

There was an interaction problem between Presto and PK - not that it 'didn't work' but just that showing download progress when Presto was in use was broken. This is fixed in the latest Rawhide compose, according to the changelog.

Firefox in Rawhide works fine, I'm using it right now and I have five windows and a dozen tabs open. You can crash it by messing around with Flash and Java stuff, just like you always have been able to with Firefox on Linux, but that's nothing specific to Rawhide. I really don't know what a "complete security meltdown" would be, but I'm not feeling particularly compromised. Or liquefied. :)

kernels oops'ing - dunno, I've got 11 days of uptime on
2.6.29.1-54.fc11, haven't needed to reboot. But when I do I'll let you know if it starts oops'ing. If it were true, though, I would've expected to read lots of complaints on fedora-test-list, and I haven't.