Live USB Update Issue

[flyingpengwin]

I have been running fedora 10 on a 4gb usb (patriot Xporter). I used the live-usb creatot and it worked fine but, I'm having a serious issue. I cannot update. Everytime I do, I am forced to manually shutdown (hold the power button), and on the next boot up to the usb it says "Dropping to shell." then says "no control in shell" (or something along these lines). No bash commands are working at all. No startx. Has anyone had this issue? am i suppose to just not update?

[Gambitt]

How long do you wait anyway. May be its trying to connect and downloading the updates from internet.

Linux (http://www.linux-archive.org/)

[flyingpengwin]

How long do you wait anyway. May be its trying to connect and downloading the updates from internet.

well i updated last night and went to bed. That was the second time i updated. I know it takes less than 2 hours to update, so it was done updating for atleast 5 hours. When it finishes updating both task bars disappear so does all icons on the desktop, and the only thing on the screen is the f10 wall paper.

[flyingpengwin]

Someone had just mentioned something and it occurred to me that maybe im not making the presistant changes large enough. As of now its only 516mb should i use the full 4gb thumb drive?

[Dangermouse]

Hi, when that happened to me, it was down to lack of space ???

[flyingpengwin]

Hi, when that happened to me, it was down to lack of space ??? would 3gb of persistant changes be enough?

[Dangermouse]

Hi, the easy way would be not to do all the updates at once, just do groups etc.. to start with, but i have to admit i dont really bother with updates now on my live usb, i dont use it very often and dont need security updates etc, so theres no need, but in answer to your question 3gb is more than enough, well it is for me.

[flyingpengwin]

Hi, the easy way would be not to do all the updates at once, just do groups etc.. to start with, but i have to admit i dont really bother with updates now on my live usb, i dont use it very often and dont need security updates etc, so theres no need, but in answer to your question 3gb is more than enough, well it is for me.
Ok thanx alot. I really want to run fedora on my laptop but because of situations with it, i am not able to fully install it so i have to boot to usb when ever i want to use fedora. But i wont use it that often so i guess i dont need the updates that badly

[satellit]

I found with a 4 GiB drive built with liveusb-creator on F11 preview with 1 GiB Fat16 bootable flag set
will update a non live user created and logged in to. Updating System takes up to several hours to finish.
I have also use an 8 Gib Toshiba USB 4 Gib Persistence formated with fat 32 using Partiton Editor bootable flag set and Labeled FEDORA before using liveusb-creator (I hear if it is not so labeled Persistence fails?) It takes about 2 hrs to create the USB
a 2GiB USB corrupts from lack of space on system upgrade attempt

[flyingpengwin]

I found with a 4 GiB drive built with liveusb-creator on F11 preview with 1 GiB Fat16 bootable flag set
will update a non live user created and logged in to. Updating System takes up to several hours to finish.
I have also use an 8 Gib Toshiba USB 4 Gib Persistence formated with fat 32 using Partiton Editor bootable flag set and Labeled FEDORA before using liveusb-creator (I hear if it is not so labeled Persistence fails?) It takes about 2 hrs to create the USB
a 2GiB USB corrupts from lack of space on system upgrade attempt
Ive dedicated all the remaining space (about 3GB) to the persitant changed and i error out from lack of space. I'm just not going to do updates like DangerMouse said because I only use it ever once in a while so security isnt really THAT important.
Also 4GB right now might be enough but with every update it takes more space you might run out.
secondly, why did it take you 2 hours to install the liveusb? it takes 2 minutes for me.

[satellit]

It takes time to do the downloading of programs and updating the system...

I am using a 8GiB Toshiba USB stick. Most of the time seems to be making the 4GIB persistence file
Here is a link on how I am making a Full install of Fedora11 Preview and SUGAR DESKTOP on the USB/SD
and letting do a full 75 file update...
Look at this link for what I find works:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved/Testing/Soas-F11b_Sugar0.84.2
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Here is a summary of this for making a 4GiB or larger USB or SD Gnome Desktop install that can be updated:

This works in a EeePC900, (Mandriva) wirelessly. I use it all the time as a second OS.

4GiB SD or 4GiB USB made with Fedora liveUSB-Creator (in Windows or Fedora 11) using F11(Beta or Preview)GNOME i686 LIVE.iso with a 700 Persistence file.

* log in live user account
* connect wireless
* Create new user ("USER") in user manager
* log out/switch users/and log in to this New user("USER")
* NOTE:("USER") is what ever you call your gnome system
* Do Update-(4GiB or larger only)-about 20 minutes
* boot by auto log in (Live user) make a wireless connection.
* switch user (Live user) and Log in to ("USER") and start Gnome desktop.
* You log out of (USER) then cancel log in screen to shut down the system from here.

DO NOT DO SHUTDOWN TO CLOSE ("USER") USE LOG OUT OR SWITCH USER
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The BUG of loosing the network manager does not seem to appear in a real installation of sugar in F11
This may be due to problems with using the live user account on the USB/ SD card with the sugar desktop and wireless network manager

Problems:

* USB/SD Gets corrupted if do an system update if the USB card is smaller than 4GiB, 8GiB is Better.
This seems to depend on size of SD or USB. 4 Gib worked with 700meg Persistence file (8GiB I set at 4GiB Persistence)
* Install to Hard Disk Icon cannot be deleted permanently - DANGER can affect guest computer installation if used.
* (You can click on properties and set permissions to not run as a program for protection in user accounts.)
* Hangup of system if "Logout" not used to return to Gnome (Live user )
* Do not try to load liveusb Creator on USB or SD it will crash system

[Thetargos]

Currently in the process of finishing updating my LiveUSB of Fedora 10 on a 4Gb USB drive. I had to resort at doing it at the system console, using yum and from an init 3 (i.e., no X). I first updated the kernel and other "heavy" weights (i.e big downloads) such as Samba, rhytmbox, gimp, etc) I then immediately issued a yum -y update to finish updating the system, so far so good, but still I'm at operation 242/696 :rolleyes:

One thing I can tell, updating USB keys takes a LLLOOONNNGGG time! thus far I have not seen a single Flash USB key that has good writing performance (or reading for that matter), at most the fastest I've seen have read/write speed of about 20MiB/s (read) per 7 MiB/s (write)... Pathetic. Though I'm aware this is due to Flash Memory and not the bus itself. Also in order to be able to successfully creating the LiveUSB and be able to update it, I had to format the LiveUSB in ext3.

Now my only question remaining is if you can "install to disk" the updated system, or if this is not possible.

[ryptyde]

Now my only question remaining is if you can "install to disk" the updated system, or if this is not possible.

My experience with updating the usb device and adding additional packages then installing to hdd did not include the updates. I haven't tried it with F11 yet. I do have a F11"remix" on a 4GB usb flash drive that I may try installing to hdd to see if the changes stick. :)

[Thetargos]

Apparently you could change the behavior of the installation by manipulating the Kickstart file, so that your changes are pulled into the installed system... But I do not know if you can actually do it inside the live image, when booting from it.

[ryptyde]

Apparently you could change the behavior of the installation by manipulating the Kickstart file, so that your changes are pulled into the installed system... But I do not know if you can actually do it inside the live image, when booting from it.

I have created a livecd iso using modified .ks files from fedora spin-kickstarts and rpmfusion-remix .ks and all of the extra packages from the rpmfusion repos work well and it is installable. So if you take the time to add repos and packages at the begining and use livecd-creator you dont have to worry about updates or additional packages borking your liveusb. :)

[apirdy]

I think that you should look into zyx liveinstaller, I am not to familiar with it but I am fairly sure that it is advertised to install a live system to hard-drive, including modifications that you have made to it. Just a suggestion,
-Xander