What's new in Fedora Core 3

[foolish]

Have you been wondering just what's new in Fedora Core 3? Colin Charles explained it to the Linux Users of Victora (http://www.luv.asn.au/node/view/175) this week. The best part about it is that he's posted the presentation in pdf format (http://www.bytebot.net/talks/FC3-t2rawhide-whatsnew.pdf) for all of us who couldn't be there. It's great reading, and it really leaves me feeling all warm and fuzzy.

If you're wondering when Core 3 will be out, see the fedora core 3 schedule. (http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/)

I can hardly wait.

[foolish]

Note: I had some trouble reading this in the gnome pdf reader, xpdf could read it just fine. See www.fedorafaq.org/#installsoftware on how to install xpdf if you don't have it.

FedoraForum.org is mentioned in the community part. Go team!

[ghaefb]

Yes, gpdf doesn't not work properly with this file.
Use ggv, xpdf or gv to view.

I can't wait for FC3 now :)

[imdeemvp]

everythin seens very cool...i agree with ghaefb (<-man!, why you have to make your name so hard to spell and remember!?)

[superbnerd]

you heard him, we need testers. I will be a fc3t2 tester...who's with me. lets not let fc3 be as buggy as fc2 initially was. another area to test fc3 is in upgrading from fc2. the upgrade from fc1 was very buggy, so I had to do a fresh install. also, at home I always do a full install, it ususally helps with dependencies. will we be able to upgrade via yum?

[[emblym]]

does it mention anything about including Xorg 6.8 ? or will 6.7 be included

[Finalzone]

You can use Acrobat Reader for Linux from DAG repository.

[ghaefb]

What's with this HAL?
So no more /mnt and say hello to /media :)

I like the Bootoader Configuration.

imdeemvp -> now that's hard to remember :p

[imdeemvp]

i dont think so.....when you play either you are part of the best or just the MVP :D

[superbnerd]

I like the Bootoader Configuration. isn't the bootlaoder already in fc2? its called system-config-boot and is available under system settings -> bootloader. you might not have it install though. yum install system-config-boot

[Finalzone]

Superbnerd is right, bootloader is available on Fedora Core 2. I am looking forward to the enhanced GUI yum configuration or a revamped up2date though I mostly use the text mode. Hopefully x.org 6.8 will be included too.

[imdeemvp]

yum install system-config-boot

this is a pretty cool tool....a little faster than doing in the terminal and easier to understand specially for all newbies...

another distro has it in lilo

[Ug]

And then theres all the other Gnome 2.8 improvements. ;)

[imdeemvp]

i hope they include more themes.....now i just wonder how many cd's for download, #4 again?

[sayeeth]

How about better wireless support? Or more like out-of-the-box wireless support? May be a little too much to ask, but I reckon that would help many users who surf the internet wirelessly. As for myself my Linksys WUSB11 is still lying around right infront of me. Too lazy to configure? Yeah maybe :P

I also viewed the article with Acrobat Reader. Works fine for me. :D

[foolish]

wireless networking, portable storage, gadgets, printers and more are supposed to be handled by "Project utopia". It's a project consisting of a lot of stuff, including the 2.6 kernel , HAL and GNOME. The goal is utopia, or perfect management of devices.

Basicly what HAL and the rest of project utopia does is that it will do things automatically. I don't know how far project utopia has come, but at some time it's supposed to be able to set up wireless networking all by itself. No configuration needed.

See this utopia mailinglist thread: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/utopia-list/2004-April/msg00001.html

(I don't know how much of utopia is done, or how much of it will make it into Core 3)

[WebWind]

Bootloader configuration looks very good.
I hope they include more multimedial packages to get FC3 play all multimedia after system install.

[foolish]

Helixplayer is included, which will help. Gstreamer is getting better, and it's included as well. I hope totem will get things straight soon and become part of GNOME 3.0 (As far as I know it hasn't made it in to 2.8).

However, most multimedia stuff, like movie codecs and mp3 support will have to be handled by unofficial 3rd party repositories, because of the legal issues.

[sayeeth]

Either way, Project Utopia seems like the ideal thing. If those peripherals as mentioned by foolish are managed automatically or pefectly, then we will have more people migrating to the Fedora with the least problems. Seems very promising. I shall keep am eye on this. Thanks for the insight foolish :)

[ghenry]

Looks great. Will get a beta when I get back from Singapore.

[DarkMasterMatt]

How about better wireless support? Or more like out-of-the-box wireless support? May be a little too much to ask, but I reckon that would help many users who surf the internet wirelessly. As for myself my Linksys WUSB11 is still lying around right infront of me. Too lazy to configure? Yeah maybe :P

YES! That would be great. Because installing the WUSB11 drivers with tar is too damn annoying.

[cybrjackle]

I've been using Rawhide since fc3-test1 came out and I can tell you this, it is extremly FAST, gcc-3.4* has helped a lot. I re-build all the srpms from 3rd party repo's with --target=i686 and here are the compiling flags:

-Os -g -pipe -m32 -march=i686 -mtune=pentium4

As you can see, they are set fast!

Anyway, Fedora is on the right track and w/ xorg-6.8 and Gnome-2.8 due out today I think?? Got some great stuff comeing down the pipe! :cool:

Now only if they would stop bickering and just put reiser4 support into the fc boot up, I wouldn't have to mv/cp reformat my drives to use it.... :eek:

Oh yeah, yum appears to been a little revamped, it is faster and just the cli output is different. downside is some of the options don't work like "search" which is pretty important if you want to search :-) instead I have to go to the main devel dir and look around to see if there is anything I want to install like HelixPlayer! <-- I was a little shocked to see that in there......

[DarkMasterMatt]

They really ought to just slap a gui on yum and make it the default updating app.

[Shadow Skill]

Why do they even have that ##### up2date when tthere is YUM or even apt? All Up2date does is crash, it makes me feel like I am dealing with a badly coded windows app in disguise. My up2date has decided to claim that some updates are available when I updated the indicated stuff through YUM, I'm going to have to turn that near useless thing off. Is there any info on them fixing Kudzu and its affinity for hanging? They had better get USB device support working properly, seeing as how I have to "Boot and pray" for my mouse to work, this is also true for my Ipod (although it has for the most part begun to behave correctly.) also I think that there is no need for things like an Ipod to be owned by root and only mountable/unmountable (ejectable) by root....I'm getting really tired of having to Su to root to mount and unmount my player because of the wierd and buggy as all hell way fc2 handles permissions sometimes.

[DarkMasterMatt]

I heard that they fixed up2date in FC3.

[Shadow Skill]

I sure hope that is true...That red blinking icon is really getting on my nerves.

[cybrjackle]

up2date also works fine from the times i have used it. Shadow Skill as far as your ipod, just add your users uid/gid to fstab

example of mine


/dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod vfat defaults,uid=500,gid=500,user,noauto 0 0

but, hal/udev/ and "utopia" in general will start to take care of most of that.

[ghaefb]

That red blinking icon is really getting on my nerves.
Get rid of the icon then... right click exit or something :)

[foolish]

Or you could remove the up2date packages all together:

yum remove up2date

[rapaneli]

I was wondering if a graphical interface for yum is going to be include in FC-3, and the other thing is where can i propose apell-el (greek aspell)to be included in fc-3.Sorry for my poor english

[foolish]

There will be no graphical interface for Yum in Core 3. There is a new Yum however, that makes writing a GUI much easier as it seperates the frontend from the backend. I hope and honestly believe that there will be effort to make a proper graphical package management solution for Core 4.

[superbnerd]

why don't they just modify the existing frontend, by cobind? why recreate the wheel?

[kf6kmx]

you heard him, we need testers. I will be a fc3t2 tester...who's with me.

plan to be a tester here.. I have a couple different configurations to use to test it on..
I'm just waiting until after next saturday... I'll be back at high speed connection (I'm on a dsl at a limited 384k/down right now, takes forever to get CD ISO's (2 or 3 hours a CD since the connection is so bad it drops to 30k at times).. I'll be back on a fast/clean cable setup (up to 4mb/down spikes, avgs at least 1024k/down 90% of the time I've even been online in the past).. Takes avg of less than 30minutes (usually under 20) to get wach ISO on it..

After that, first on my list Sat night is to get the Core3 test disks downloaded and burned.