Beta release date f11

[Demz]

New beta release date 2009-03-31

[flokip]

See
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-March/msg00015.html
and
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule

[Demz]

* From: Jesse Keating <jkeating redhat com>
* To: fedora-devel-announce redhat com
* Subject: Fedora 11 Beta slip
* Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:46:50 -0700


Today we have decided to slip the Beta release by 7 days. There are a
number of reasons,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=476774&hide_resolved=1 has gory details, but essentially:

* Late discovered PPC breakage
* LiveCD installation fallout due to anaconda storage rewrite
* More time for anaconda storage rewrite to settle

This is in no means a pointing of fingers, many factors led to the
current state we're in now. Our task now is to determine the best way
to get a valuable Beta release out to our users with as little effect to
the final release schedule. As such, Release Engineering in
coordination with QA and maintainers who are working on the above issue
have agreed to enact a 7 day slip. The final release date will not
change, we will absorb the lost week into the time between beta and
final freeze.

Rawhide freeze will remain in effect. Only critical changes will be
tagged for the Beta, in order to maximize our changes at fixing the
current issues without introducing new ones.

maybe this should go up on " News " ?

[hephasteus]

Slip beta 14 days. Slip preview 30 days. And slip release a month and half.
Come on just let it slow down. Fedora has come so far so fast time to slow it down a bit and enjoy the success. Let few more people jump on the train and let it all move along. 6 month development cycles can never continue for long it will break apart.

[Demz]

the Final will slip by a week or 2 that goes without saying, the preview will probably slip by a week

[hephasteus]

The percents are looking pretty good..

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList

Dual seat got dropped. I just cant see how they can make all these filesystem changes, vm changes, fuse changes, recompile everything under brad new gcc hunt down all those problems, and get it all working well. 11 is making 3 times as many big changes as LVM and fuse and all that did with 7 to 8. I just think it needs to slow down at least one release or 2.

[Demz]

whats been dropped will just go into Fedora12 if not 13

[bob]

Greg, as to the "News" item, you've really posted it where those who might be interested will be sure to see it. Good catch on the delay - I'm sure the time will be put to good use by the devs.

[Demz]

fair enough bob. just a thought

[Jake]

This is great news! :D

[cgrim]

There are no new updates for rawhide during this and previous week, but in koji is waiting lots of new updates (kernel, firefox, thunderbird, ...) Are they delayed because of beta release preparation?

[Demz]

there are probably compiz an compiz-fusion updates to , hopefully we'll get compiz-0.8.2 in the Beta to the final

but yeah rawhide was frozen on its frozen date so there were no updates actually pushed out

firefox-3.5b4 should be out on the 14th next month so expect another update then to

[cgrim]

I thought the rawhide freeze is for new development but bugs can be still repaired and for example new version of Thunderbird (that is in koji and not in rawhide repo) is bugfix release. For me it solved some bug. But probably there are more critical bugs in other packages that must be solved - for example Anaconda? OK, I understand ;-)

With compiz it is a good news ;-)

[Demz]

Anaconda bugs are being worked on as we speak, hopefully they will be fixed in time before the beta release

[AdamW]

cgrim: yes, they're blocked by the freeze. During freeze only packages that fix *critical* bugs are allowed through. There is work going on in the frozen Rawhide tree, but it's mostly in Anaconda - the bugs that are blocking the beta release are almost all in the installer, so that's what's getting worked on. Obviously you don't see those in yum upgrades to an installed system :)

[hephasteus]

I hope it goes well and gets out fairly early on 31'st. I think alot of people will be wanting to try a linux distribution while there's a horrible virus that may cause problems april 1st.

[Demz]

that Virus will only affect Windows7 RC :D

[cgrim]

F11 Beta ISOs are probably completed - today 1.1GB of updates from rawhide arrived to me:

Install 8 Package(s)
Update 536 Package(s)
Remove 3 Package(s)
Total download size: 1.1 G

So rawhide is unfrozen ;-)

[Noblacktie]

1.1GB? Hmm... if I start now, I should be done just before they announce F12 :D

[cgrim]

You probably have not so big packages as I (OpenOffice.org, OpenJDK, ...)

It dowloaded fluid-soundfont-lite-patches-3.1-3.fc11.noarch.rpm (170MB). Now I see, that I can remove it, because I don't use it ;-)

And there was this problem:
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc5 in position 21: ordinal not in range(128)
... with package kernel-devel.

[leigh123linux]

You probably have not so big packages as I (OpenOffice.org, OpenJDK, ...)

It dowloaded fluid-soundfont-lite-patches-3.1-3.fc11.noarch.rpm (170MB). Now I see, that I can remove it, because I don't use it ;-)

And there was this problem:
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc5 in position 21: ordinal not in range(128)
... with package kernel-devel.

It's a requirement for gstreamer-plugins-bad, I don't need the soundfonts either so I rebuilt gstreamer-plugins-bad without midi :)

[root@localhost leigh]# rpm -qa |grep gstreamer-plugins-bad
gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.11-nomidi.0.1.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-bad-extras-0.10.11-nomidi.0.1.fc11.x86_64
[root@localhost leigh]#

[cgrim]

It's a requirement for gstreamer-plugins-bad, I don't need the soundfonts either so I rebuilt gstreamer-plugins-bad without midi :)

[root@localhost leigh]# rpm -qa |grep gstreamer-plugins-bad
gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.11-nomidi.0.1.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-bad-extras-0.10.11-nomidi.0.1.fc11.x86_64
[root@localhost leigh]#

Thanks for your tip leigh. Now updates will be faster for me ;-)