Upgrading from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11

[cola]

Hi,
Is there any command to update from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11, running that command in the terminal or downloading the Fedora 11 dvd iso is the only option?

[leigh123linux]

Moved to Alpha, Beta & Snapshots Discussions (Fedora 11 Only)

[Demz]

Hi,
Is there any command to update from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11, running that command in the terminal or downloading the Fedora 11 dvd iso is the only option?

you can use preupgrade-gui in terminal which will go to Rawhide but i dont suggest preupgrade as its a nightmare, your best to wait for the beta an download the DvD

[cola]

you can use preupgrade-gui in terminal which will go to Rawhide but i dont suggest preupgrade as its a nightmare, your best to wait for the beta an download the DvD

So Fedora 11 is still in the alpha version?
How long will it take to get into the beta version?
And how long will it take to get into the stable version?

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

Check the release schedule at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule

[cola]

Hi,

Check the release schedule at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule
Thanks RahulSundaram

[AdamW]

Just enabling Rawhide repos and doing 'yum upgrade' should work. But, of course, don't do it on your production system. Just as a method of updating to Rawhide on a test system, though, it ought to do the job. You have to update to latest F-10 before doing the upgrade to Rawhide, though.

[AdamW]

You may need 'yum upgrade --skip-broken', depending on what packages you have installed.

[cgrim]

Comment to preupgrade: yesterday I did upgrade from F10 to fresh Rawhide by preupgrade utility without any problem. It seems, that this tool become more stable ;-) From F9 to Rawhide it was really nightmare ...

[Demz]

i still wont use it till there's more that have used it sucessfully

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

Fedora 9 to Rawhide upgrade won't work with preupgrade due to the switch to sha256 checksums for RPM and other applications.

[cgrim]

So from F9 to F10 it is still impossible because of sha256 cheksums? (I meant Rawhide for F10 - it's half year old story ;-))

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 is possible because both of them use md5sums.

[Demz]

Hi,

Fedora 9 to Rawhide upgrade won't work with preupgrade due to the switch to sha256 checksums for RPM and other applications.

Rahul

what about Fedora10 to fedora11 using preupgrade would an upgrade via that be successful or no? or would it be best just to do a clean install from DvD

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

Everything else except Fedora 9 directly to Fedora 11 should work.

[Demz]

Hi,

Everything else except Fedora 9 directly to Fedora 11 should work.

thanks Rahul

[ajamison]

Funny i tried doing f10 > f11 (rawhide) from an updated f10 and it worked up until it went to reboot into the installer and it gripped about the image not existing

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

Have you filed a bug report? If not, check bugzilla and please do so.

[ajamison]

Hi,

Have you filed a bug report? If not, check bugzilla and please do so.

I will try again if it errors out again i will submit a bug

[Ellen]

FYI you may wanna file a bug report. Check this wiki link for how to file a bug report: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report

Linux Archive (http://www.linux-archive.org/)

[ajamison]

Thanks Ellen i knew how to file one allready which i did due to a repeat error. this particular machine does not have a dvd drive so i have to upgrade via preupgrade

[bodhi.zazen]

I am considering the upgrade F10 -> F11 and so found this thread.

There are directions here :

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq

The one thing I will pass on here :

The yum update step should NOT be run inside a gnome desktop session/gnome-terminal. RHBZ #49046 could result in a unusable install when gnome-terminal segfaults during the upgrade. Update should be run in a vty, runlevel 3, or a screen session.

Note: The link to "40946" seems unrelated to F10 -> 11 upgrade ?

Good luck ;)

[AdamW]

There's a digit missing - should be 494046:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=494046

I've fixed the Wiki page.

[bodhi.zazen]

Thank you AdamW


I used preupgrade :

preupgrade-cli Rawhide

Link (from wiki page) -> How to use Preupgrade (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade)

more preupgrade (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade)

It ran within X without any problems. As explained on the wiki page, preupgrade downloads all the .rpm, then you reboot -> anaconda starts automatically -> upgrade -> reboot.

The only problem I had was with the nvidia driver. X failed after the reboot and I was at a blank screen with a flashing cursor.

Switched to the nuevo driver (via system-config-display)

I must say I like the nuevo driver, but it does not do dual monitors for me.

The kmod-nvidia with today's update worked :)

The upgrade process was, IMO, very smooth.

[AdamW]

Great, glad it worked. The new version of preupgrade is supposed to handle third party repos as well as official ones, but I guess the repo you had NVIDIA from may not have been in the right state when you upgraded...

it's called "nouveau", btw, not "nuevo" :). When you say it doesn't do dual monitors, what do you mean exactly? How did you try and configure it? It's an RandR 1.2 driver, so you'd configure it from the gnome-display-properties application. Did you try doing that and it failed? If so, please file a bug! Thanks.

[bodhi.zazen]

Ah thanks, me bad.

Yes preupgrade did the 3rd party repos as well, so no problem there.

I am running xfce, so no gnome-display-properties ;)

system-config-display was throwing out of range errors (from perl). I manually wrote an xorg.conf (using the monitor settings from nvidia as a template), but that did not work either. I think I know how to write an xorg.conf for my monitors, but who knows with the xorg 7.x ?

The kmod-nvidia package was in yesterday's updates and it working in place of the nouveau driver.

So for now I am happy ;)

[AdamW]

system-config-display is borderline deprecated these days, and doesn't understand RandR 1.2 anyway, so it's not going to give you any joy.

Editing xorg.conf based on the NVIDIA driver's settings won't help, because NVIDIA uses its own proprietary multi-monitor system (TwinView) and hence the parameters which set up the NVIDIA driver correctly for a multiple monitor case won't correctly set up *any* other driver.

You could happily run gnome-display-properties in Xfce and it would likely work, but if you don't feel like installing it, the easiest way to do things would be just to use the command line xrandr tool.

Just running it will tell you what displays are connected and what they're capable of, thusly:

$ xrandr -q
Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 2048 x 2048
DVI-0 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 380mm
x 300mm
1280x1024 60.0*+ 75.0 60.0 60.0* <=====
1400x1050 60.0
1280x960 60.0
1152x864 75.0
1024x768 75.1 75.0 70.1 60.0
832x624 74.6
800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2
640x480 75.0 72.8 72.8 75.0 60.0 59.9
720x400 70.1
VGA-0 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 430mm x
270mm
1680x1050 60.0 + 60.0
1400x1050 74.8 60.0
1280x1024 75.0 60.0 60.0
1280x960 60.0
1152x864 75.0
1024x768 75.1* 75.0 70.1 60.0 <========
832x624 74.6
800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2
640x480 75.0 72.8 72.8 75.0 60.0 59.9
720x400 70.1

This is just some random output I stole from a site somewhere, as I'm running the NVIDIA driver myself so I can't show you mine. :)

With the above output, you could do this:

xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of DVI-0

and that would give you a dual monitor setup with the monitor plugged into 'VGA-0' to the right of the monitor plugged into 'DVI-0'. (Actually, that wouldn't work for the unfortunate person whose xrandr output that is, for icky reasons I won't go into here, but happily, they shouldn't affect nouveau). It's usually quite easy to figure out which 'output' (in xrandr's parlance) translates to which monitor on your system, but if it's not easy in your particular setup, just guess, and try again if you get it wrong. Nothing will explode, you'll just wind up with the displays reversed from what they should be.

You can set things up in xorg.conf for RandR 1.2, so you don't have to run xrandr every time you log in (or just script it up). If you use gnome-display-properties in GNOME, it automatically sets to the layout you select each time you login (though, of course, GDM or whatever won't use the same setup). If you want to do it in xorg.conf, refer to:

http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12

It would be great if you could switch back to nouveau for a bit and see if this works - we do want to make nouveau as good as possible, and dual monitor setups are one area that definitely needs testing. (Mine, unfortunately, really doesn't work - nouveau just can't cope with my card having two monitors plugged into it, it hangs on startup - which is why I'm using the proprietary driver).

[bodhi.zazen]

No joy with gnome-display-properties or xrandr / manual re-write of xorg.conf.

Rather then continue to hijack this thread I started a new one here (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1218804)

[Debroyston]

Hi Leigh,
I have read that the nouveau driver works well but the nvidia drivers should be removed.
Being a relative newby how do I do this?
I have a GT8500 graphics card.
Best regards.

[AdamW]

If you have the proprietary drivers installed via RPM Fusion, you don't need to worry - you don't need to remove them to use nouveau. You just need to rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf to something else (doesn't matter what, just so it's not called that any more) and restart so that the X autodetection code kicks in and selects nouveau.

If you have the proprietary drivers installed via NVIDIA's own installer, you should remove them by running the installer again with the --uninstall parameter , then rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart.

[bonn]

I realize I am a nebee at this but I can't get the downloads to up load in the Fedora 10 system and now you guys are moving on 11, it is like a 6th grade flashback Help.....