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steelaworkn
8th March 2009, 01:29 AM
Help me out here. My son seems to think that Linux, in general, is useless as compared with MS. Granted, he is still young and is still very teachable. So far I have told him the following:

Linux runs most of the web servers he depends on for internet gaming and surfing
LInux is on many smart phones
Linux is more secure than MS (no details given)

Here is your opportunity to educate a young skull full of mush towards a more well rounded view of computing. Let him know what Linux is used for today and what he can do with it.

Hlingler
8th March 2009, 01:45 AM
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=186394

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bee
8th March 2009, 01:56 AM
Poor boy! :confused: :cool: :rolleyes:
It's because, is well known, there are more and better games for Windows than for linux! :p :confused: :eek:
Sure, as he's young, let him play and enjoy his favorites games on Windows! :cool: :D
When, he'll need to learn some programming languages, configure a web server, or just a secure environment for online banking (etc...) then he'll switch to linux! :D :cool:
In the meantime, let him play and learn Windows (as you have it:rolleyes: :p)... also because...unlucky, he'll need to know Windows too! :rolleyes: and btw, how can he know which OS is the best one if he doesn't know the worst one!?? :D :p

bye!:)

steelaworkn
8th March 2009, 01:58 AM
He sees all the eye candy but wonders what can be done with it.

bee
8th March 2009, 02:08 AM
He sees all the eye candy but wonders what can be done with it.
Everything you can do with windows, can be done on linux!!! and a lot more, as you can configure a lot of stuffs on linux! :D :cool:
But, linux Vs. windows, about games... as software house companies don't write a lot of software for linux, Windows will result the winner on this point :rolleyes:
Just ask to your son what he wants to do with Windows/Linux... and answer him "It's possible on Linux as well.." :D :cool: :p
I don't know if your son is interested in programming or in learning how to configure a firewall or a webserver (and how they work) :rolleyes: :confused: so, about what is interested your son?! :rolleyes: (...i hope the answer won't be "in games-only" :D :p)

bye!:)

steelaworkn
8th March 2009, 02:22 AM
Everything you can do with windows, can be done on linux!!! and a lot more, as you can configure a lot of stuffs on linux!!!!!! :D :D :cool:
But, linux Vs. windows, about games... as software house companies don't write a lot of software for linux, Windows will result the winner on this point :rolleyes:
Just ask to your son what he wants to do with Windows/Linux... and answer him "It's possible on Linux as well.." :D :cool: :p
I don't know if your son is interested in programming or in learning how to configure a firewall or a webserver (and how they work) :rolleyes: :confused: so, about what is interested your son?! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (...i hope the answer won't be "in games-only" :D :D :p)

bye!!!!:):):)

Sorry, it's seems to be games only. I did tell him, should he learn coding, he can develop cross platform games using linux as his stable OS.

bee
8th March 2009, 02:33 AM
Sorry, it's seems to be games only. I did tell him, should he learn coding, he can develop cross platform games using linux as his stable OS.
ahhhh lol :D :p
well, then it's just useless trying to convince him, that linux is better than windows :p :p you'd better to stop, or he'll associate linux with an OS where you cannot even play (no fun=bad OS :rolleyes:). :cool:
I think, you have at first, to know if he wants to code... because if he doesn't care at all, there are nothing to do! :cool: If he wants to code and he likes coding to write software, then you can suggest him linux... but at the moment, it seems to me, he's just interested in something else! :p :D
What you can do (maybe)... is asking him to use Windows to play...and linux for everything else!:cool: ... but - again - if he plays all the day... then you won't have any luck :p :D :rolleyes:

"I have anti-linux son that needs educated" :rolleyes:
maybe you have a son that needs to be educated about what computers are useful for... (other than to play and download porn!:D :p)
Linux is only the second step.... :rolleyes: :D :cool:

bye!:)

JohnVV
8th March 2009, 02:47 AM
Make your son CLEAN all the viruses and malware OFF the windows machine . ( depending on age) have HIM pay for McAfee ( or install one of the free - nagware AV's)
have Him run Spy-bot-SD every week ( before he can go out on Fri. night )
make HIM responsible for the up keep on a win box .

before long he will be on *nix.

kyryder
8th March 2009, 03:16 AM
Make your son CLEAN all the viruses and malware OFF the windows machine . ( depending on age) have HIM pay for McAfee ( or install one of the free - nagware AV's)
have Him run Spy-bot-SD every week ( before he can go out on Fri. night )
make HIM responsible for the up keep on a win box .

before long he will be on *nix.

That is pretty much how I have handled it with my children. After they saw how much $ ms cost ,that you have to buy everything you need software wise and just try to keep ms safe and still have access to the things kids want to do. The only problem was that the schools supported ms and it was used in class so they ended up using ms for some things and Linux for all things web related.

RupertPupkin
8th March 2009, 03:31 AM
I recommend severe beatings, weekly, until he learns to respect your authoritay!

Wayne
8th March 2009, 03:41 AM
For whom, steelaworkn or his son? :D

I just told my eldest son that I was not going to waste time every week running Spybot, updating his anti-virus, cleaning out the bloat of a registry and all the other stuff needed to protect his machine and if he didn't give Linux a try I wouldn't do it any more, so any %^%^& that borked his machine was his problem :) He was also fed up with me sitting at his machine cleaning out all the ^&^&* so didn't need much persuasion. When it was time to get him a new machine last year I sorely wanted him to have a Mac to make my life even easier (having to install a fresh Fedora every 6 months or year) but he wouldn't have it as it's "too different from Fedora and Gnome" :)

Wayne

bob
8th March 2009, 03:55 AM
You should realize that it's not really linux that he's rebelling against. He's trying to establish his own identity and it generally means rejecting what's told to him, especially by his parents. The more you push something, the more he'll reject it. Let him have his Windows but skip the 'tech support'. If it all crashes, then let him play on your machine while you try (in vain) to straighten out his mess. He may get curious once he's given it a try.

wintermute000
8th March 2009, 04:12 AM
<Gross generalisation warning>

You'll never get anywhere until he gets beyond games.

Click and install PC gaming IMHO is responsible for the currently dire state of techie skills amongst gen Y and below (borderline GenY myself lol). But all the late 20s-early 30s geeks I know honed their skills getting XMS/EMS/interrupts etc. to work properly for DOS games (remember tweaking autoexec.bat and config.sys lol). Even the wintel guys know/respect command line and can think a troubleshooting issue through from first principles.

The just out of school geeks are all point and click and completely lost unless the first page of their google search gives it to them on a plate. My colleagues' late teens children are all the same, they moan at me about how they have to walk their 16 year old (who spends 95% of their time on their computer!) through a windows rebuild, and I just laugh lol

Point being, when you're young all you want to do is play games (again generalisation lol), and that means windows. Having moved beyond the abomination that was DOS, techie skills are no longer required to get them running, so that 'gateway' experience to real techie stuff is no longer there.

steelaworkn
8th March 2009, 07:34 AM
Well, I feel honored, but don't actually think I have earned such an honor. My son called me a computer geek and that's why I like Fedora. Sorry guys, I didn't earn it. He was just angry and didn't know what he was saying. ROFLOL :D

marcrblevins
8th March 2009, 11:55 AM
Let you son have Windows. I'm not a traitor here.

If he is going to college, they are more likely to be running Windows flavor along with his peers. Same for future jobs. Linux is catching up thou.

At least convince him to use Linux thru virtualization. The more OSes you learned, the more geek you get to be.

Cheers.

bee
8th March 2009, 01:31 PM
He's trying to establish his own identity
Yeah!!!! Oh oh, oh oh oh-oh, oh oh oh-oh, oh oh oh-ohh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6GDioOjmLA) :D :p :cool:

bye!:)

Jake
8th March 2009, 02:47 PM
<Gross generalisation warning>

You'll never get anywhere until he gets beyond games.

Click and install PC gaming IMHO is responsible for the currently dire state of techie skills amongst gen Y and below (borderline GenY myself lol). But all the late 20s-early 30s geeks I know honed their skills getting XMS/EMS/interrupts etc. to work properly for DOS games (remember tweaking autoexec.bat and config.sys lol). Even the wintel guys know/respect command line and can think a troubleshooting issue through from first principles.

The just out of school geeks are all point and click and completely lost unless the first page of their google search gives it to them on a plate. My colleagues' late teens children are all the same, they moan at me about how they have to walk their 16 year old (who spends 95% of their time on their computer!) through a windows rebuild, and I just laugh lol

Point being, when you're young all you want to do is play games (again generalisation lol), and that means windows. Having moved beyond the abomination that was DOS, techie skills are no longer required to get them running, so that 'gateway' experience to real techie stuff is no longer there.Damn, it skipped me when it came to computers, I never had a single interest on getting games on a computer... though console is different as it's built for it, plus I did not want to spent thousand's for just a GFX card that plays games.... Though I did like sims (Yeah yeah have your laughs.. it was years ago when I last played it.) I was more interested in building websites/ coding, running web servers, building networks etc, rather than playing games..

Heck, still do xD.

wintermute000
8th March 2009, 03:06 PM
Back in those days there wasn't anything known as a gfx card. I'm talking about the 386-486 era for PC compatibles. Still, even today you don't need thousands, a $150-$250 USD card will serve you fine as long as you're not one of those obsessed gaming hardware junkies (i.e. willing to settle for medium resolutions and details). The 'hardcore' crowd and gaming media really do a great job putting off people, most of the time they're complaining how they can't get more than 40fps with details maxed out on 1920x1080 or something like that.

But that's all OTT anyway. I suggest showing your son some of the cool things he can do in linux. Heck, if he loves gaming so much, show him how to setup a linux server (e.g. a steam game server for source titles like left4dead, halflife 2, counterstrike etc.). Then explain to him how NAT works and show him how to get it connecting from the internet... If he likes that, then you can start showing him how to maintain the server, etc. etc.

I actually got a few of the wintel techies at work to actually get interested in this 'linux' thing by building a self contained source server in an old laptop, to act as a portable server for LAN parties. Before you knew it they were asking me how to do basic linux system tasks, how to open up iptables to allow their servers' ports to be accessible, a good file manager in terminal (mc), how to use vi (I just told them 'yum install nano' lol).

savage
9th March 2009, 11:04 AM
johannlo: You hit the nail on the head with your first post, that sums me up a treat tinkering with autoexec.bat and config.sys, oh the memories. Trying to install Lotus Challenge and ultimately loosing the mouse TSR.

I was about 10, my dad would be home in a few hours, it was ugly, and a sharp learning curve, but I got the mouse back and hid from the PC for a few days, then was back to breaking things again.

My greatest achievement was hacking Win3.1 to boot and run off a floppy disk - MiniWin and Windows 95 off a parallel port zip drive, my PC's hard disk was only 20MB :D

Back on topic, provided he does more than just gaming, why not set him up dual-boot and leave him to it, he'll break Windows eventually, your clearly too busy to fix it at the moment, but will look at it at the weekend, I wonder, what would he do...

Bob has a point too, my current geekyness is a result of my Dad hating me being into computers, he wished I'd "get a real career", naturally I had to rebel. He put passwords on the PC, I broke them, he got a PC with a keylock, next thing I know the case was off and it detached (he never knew), but that was my first experience inside a PC.

Kids are determined to rebel, I'll give them that.

ghostdawg
9th March 2009, 11:21 AM
Make your son CLEAN all the viruses and malware OFF the windows machine . ( depending on age) have HIM pay for McAfee ( or install one of the free - nagware AV's)
have Him run Spy-bot-SD every week ( before he can go out on Fri. night )
make HIM responsible for the up keep on a win box .

before long he will be on *nix.

This is how I handle those Windows luvers now days. Plus, I mention something like, I don't feel like installing spyware, virus, adware, etc software. I don't feel like having to reboot everytime I update windows. Also I may say something along the lines of, I didn't know you had to do that in Windows. Just make it sound its more of hassle doing things with Windows. He'll come around eventually.

savage
9th March 2009, 11:27 AM
I don't feel like having to reboot everytime I update windows. At the risk of handing out weapons, lining you all up and standing infront of you all, I had a strange experience the other day.

Windows 7 (the first beta), updated both the graphics and network drivers without rebooting, I was almost impressed, if I hadn't suddenly lost network connectivity, and then had all my open windows resized to 640x480 while it flicked to VGA mode to change the driver.

They're getting there, all they need now is a "Updates are ready, but your system will become temporarily unavailable, is now a good time to apply them?" dialog.

seohonolulu
10th March 2009, 02:38 AM
They're getting there, all they need now is a "Updates are ready, but your system will become temporarily unavailable, is now a good time to apply them?" dialog.

Nice LOL

My 4 year old has been getting cross training in on Windoze Vista (YUK) and *nix for about a year now. No, I didn't plop him down and force him, but he sees me on my linux machine working and his mom on her vista laptop, and he's curious. Once he discovered he could play his disney games at their website, we can't keep him off either system if no one is on it. Don't even get me started on the xbox I got for my birthday LOL

I suspect he's not gonna have an issue with operating systems as he grows up, he'll have a good understanding and hopefully respect their differences.

But as for your 16 year old, I would say let him stay where he is. If you drop the dual boot on him, he'll resent you for it. Maybe what you could do is throw cedega or wine on your system, grab one of his games and let him come home and see you playing it. That might flip his lid a bit lol