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daviddoria
31st January 2009, 02:50 AM
First of all - what is the difference between a true type font and a "regular" font?

Second, I was getting a font error and something said to install "msttcorefonts". I couldn't find it with yum. Is there an alternative?

Thanks!

Dave

Wayne
31st January 2009, 02:53 AM
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f10.html#ttf

Wayne

julian5
31st January 2009, 08:34 AM
Go thorough this :

http://www.searchfreefonts.com/faq/

--Julian

daviddoria
31st January 2009, 12:55 PM
great - thanks. It will be good when that is added to rpmfusion.

Dave

daviddoria
18th December 2010, 05:48 PM
After doing all of this, I am still missing Helvetica. This is VERY annoying and probably one of many reasons Linux has still not taken over the mainstream!

beaker_
18th December 2010, 06:00 PM
Quite an old thread don't you thing?

Ok I'll bite:

[@localhost ~]$ yum search Helvetica
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit, remove-with-leaves
adobe-linux-i386 | 951 B 00:00
adobe-linux-i386/primary | 12 kB 00:00
adobe-linux-i386 18/18
fedora/metalink | 18 kB 00:00
fedora | 4.2 kB 00:00
fedora/primary_db | 12 MB 00:22
flash | 2.6 kB 00:00
flash/primary_db | 3.3 kB 00:00
livna | 3.2 kB 00:00
livna/primary_db | 3.0 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-free | 3.8 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-free/primary_db | 344 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-free-updates | 3.3 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-free-updates/primary_db | 248 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-nonfree | 3.3 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-nonfree/primary_db | 91 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates | 3.3 kB 00:00
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates/primary_db | 70 kB 00:00
updates/metalink | 18 kB 00:00
updates | 4.7 kB 00:00
updates/primary_db | 6.3 MB 00:04
updates/pkgtags | 85 kB 00:00
================================================== ============================= Matched: Helvetica ================================================== ==============================
mgopen-moderna-fonts.noarch : Truetype fixed-stroke-width sans serif font faces
[@localhost ~]$

daviddoria
18th December 2010, 06:07 PM
Hi beaker,

Hm, even after installing the package you pointed to, I am getting:


Running XeTeX:
Pass 1... failed with:
! Font \zf@basefont=Helvetica at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file or inst



Any thoughts?

beaker_
18th December 2010, 06:48 PM
OK, I got suckered in by search to. It provides mgopen-moderna-fonts and is based on the design of Helvetica. So MgOpen Moderna is very close. I'm also digging trough http://fedoraunity.org/Members/khaytsus/improve-fonts because I though Helvetica was there also but maybe it's not a ms font... yeah it's an adobe thing (?). Anyway I'm looking around to.

Late Edit: I gave up after I found someone selling it. I dunno... is not freely available is where I'm leaning.

sonoran
18th December 2010, 10:26 PM
Do you have ghostscript and ghostscript-fonts installed? I think they are part of the default install. Ghostscript provides substitutes for the 35 "standard" postscript fonts, including Helvetica (which is copyrighted).

other font packages in the repos:
bitsream-vera-sans-fonts
dejavu-sans-fonts
liberation-sans-fonts
urw-fonts (other free versions of the 35 standard typefaces - high quality)

I suspect you are having trouble because XeTeX is not set up properly to use fontconfig. From the XeTeX for Linux site:
Currently, many of the sample files use fonts installed with Mac OS X, and so will not work unchanged on Linux systems where those fonts are not available, but changing the font declarations to use TrueType or OpenType fonts that are available to fontconfig (or to typical GUI applications) should allow them to run.

"URW Gothic L" is a good substitute for Helvetica - same metrics.

marko
19th December 2010, 12:33 AM
Why isn't the true type stuff in rpmfusion? I thought the patent that was stopping that just lapsed?

---------- Post added at 07:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:31 PM ----------

Why isn't the true type stuff in rpmfusion? I thought the patent that was stopping that just lapsed?
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/19/1524250/FreeType-Project-Cheers-TrueType-Patent-Expiration?from=rss

sonoran
19th December 2010, 01:14 AM
You can get the microsoft core fonts here:
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f14.html#ttf

Why isn't the true type stuff in rpmfusion? I thought the patent that was stopping that just lapsed?
I think it is in freetype-freeworld @ rpmfusion-free
The patent concerned the interpreter, not ttf fonts themselves.

RupertPupkin
19th December 2010, 07:20 AM
You can get the microsoft core fonts here:
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f14.html#ttf
Unfortunately, that package does not contain the Helvetica font. It only contains: Andale, Arial, Comic Sans, Courier New, Georgia, Impact, Tahoma, Times New Roman, Trebuchet, Verdana, Webdings.

Helvetica is not an MS font; it doesn't come installed with Windows, AFAIK. The TrueType version would have to be obtained elsewhere. It can be bought here (http://www.linotype.com/526/helvetica-family.html). Otherwise you'd have to get it from some commercial Windows app that includes it.

sonoran
19th December 2010, 10:21 PM
There are pd knockoffs of the Helvetica typeface, usually called Swiss or Helvetic, but most are of questionable quality and many are broken. URW Gothic L is very high quality, and can be converted from postscript type 1 to truetype by a number of utilities including FontForge.

This is VERY annoying and probably one of many reasons Linux has still not taken over the mainstream!

Since mainstream = windows & mac os, I hope linux remains marginal. ;)

RupertPupkin
19th December 2010, 11:08 PM
Since mainstream = windows & mac os, I hope linux remains marginal.
Not to mention the strange notion that the lack of a Helvetica TrueType font (!) is what has held Linux back.

As you mentioned, there are nonTrueType versions, e.g. provided by the xorg-x11-fonts-100dpi package, as well as by the xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi and xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-15-100dpi packages. Those are bitmap fonts, but they are the actual Helvetica (doing "xlsfonts | grep helvetica" shows 144 entries in the -adobe-helvetica-* family). Those can be used in many applications.

Even in LaTeX you can use the helvet or helvetica package if you need Helvetica. Actually, probably because of the nonfree nature of Helvetica, those LaTeX packages substitute URW NImbus Sans L for Helvetica, since the metrics are virutally identical. So for the tiny proportion of Linux users using XeTeX (!), the Nimbus Sans L TrueType font could be used in place of Helvetica.

But this all begs the question: who even uses Helvetica nowadays? There are so many better sans serif fonts now. I don't think I've used Helvetica since the late 90s.

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