convert from Nvidia 8200 onboard to ATI HD 4350 video

[bin2gray]

After several weeks of trying to find a way of getting my onboard Nvidia 8200 graphics to work for me on simple things like youtube I threw in the towel, went to newegg and bought an ATI HD 4350 card (ASUS EAH4350) after somebody commented that it would work under linux.

I'm on Fedora 10 and am using a HD-LCD monitor in 1920x1080 mode over HDMI.

After an attempt at installing fglrx and going to the brink of a complete reinstall I came across a post that indicated ATI does not support this card in it's linux driver - so I should have done better research before I bought ...

Can this card be used with open source drivers? If so can I get reasonable performance on simple web stuff like flash video in youtube?? I don't need to run fancy games or anything. If not, can I please get a recommendation on a video card that *will* work in fedora 10 with my HDMI LCD monitor???

I have used linux for over 10 years and this has been the most frustrated I have ever been. I just want graphics to work reasonably - is that too much to ask now?

Sorry about the rant, and thanks in advance for any help.

-bin

[Demz]

you went to best card to a worse card. why did you buy a ATI card without doing some homework on it? you could try the Open Source radeonhd driver but there are no guarantee's it will work

[bin2gray]

you went to best card to a worse card. why did you buy a ATI card without doing some homework on it? you could try the Open Source radeonhd driver but there are no guarantee's it will work

I may have gone to worst, but if the onboard Nvidia 8200 is the best then the linux I used to know has gone far off track. The Nvidia (using 'stable' 180.22 drivers) with this card simply eats nearly all the cpu I have to just keep X and Firefox up and running and when presented with a bit of flash video stalls/stops/sputters such that it is completely useless. Then add to this the fact that at random times and with random frequency my video goes dark for a couple of seconds only to recover.

If you have suggestions for a video card that will work for me (HDMI 1920x1080 required, Fedora 10 preferably) then I am all ears. I am tired of just trying things - I would like to know if *anybody* has decent video on Fedora 10 with an HDMI connected HD LCD TV. If so please let me know what video hardware you are using!

-bin

[Lindy]

one thing you might try before committing more time and resources is to (with your onboard Nvidia card) pass==> nopat to the kernel at boot and see if it doesn't help a bit.
this can be done by pressing 'e' at the grub menu, the press 'e' again, then add nopat and press 'b'.
No guarantees here but you never know...

[Demz]

if those suggestions dont work only other option is to get a 9500GT Nvidia card an install it on your system by taking out the ATI card cause ATI have crap drivers untill there 9.1 ATI drivers come out into final then you may have good ATI 3D

[bin2gray]

one thing you might try before committing more time and resources is to (with your onboard Nvidia card) pass==> nopat to the kernel at boot and see if it doesn't help a bit.
this can be done by pressing 'e' at the grub menu, the press 'e' again, then add nopat and press 'b'.
No guarantees here but you never know...

Thanks. I have done the nopat thing and vmalloc=256MB on my kernel line. I also don't turn on 'effects'. Video still sucks on even the basic things.

I would really like to hear from somebody using fedora 10 with a 1080p LCD HDMI that works. -bin

[bin2gray]

if those suggestions dont work only other option is to get a 9500GT Nvidia card an install it on your system by taking out the ATI card cause ATI have crap drivers untill there 9.1 ATI drivers come out into final then you may have good ATI 3D


I'm not even looking for good 3D. I just want passable 2D.

Do you think this will work?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814140091

[Demz]

DDR3 by the looks of it, i dont think DDR3 hardware in linux is well supported at the moment though i could be wrong. but i would suggest looking at the 9500GT DDR2 card

[bin2gray]

DDR3 by the looks of it, i dont think DDR3 hardware in linux is well supported at the moment though i could be wrong. but i would suggest looking at the 9500GT DDR2 card

So for $1 more and 4 times the memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187034

I can't find a review where somebody says they have it working with Linux/Fedora 10 and would like confirmation before I fork out more $. TIA. -bin

[bin2gray]

So for $1 more and 4 times the memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187034

I can't find a review where somebody says they have it working with Linux/Fedora 10 and would like confirmation before I fork out more $. TIA. -bin

Nevermind ... no HDMI on this. -bin

[bin2gray]

Nevermind ... no HDMI on this. -bin

Maybe this one??? DDR2 and 9500 GT. Will it work with Fedora 10/1080p HDMI LCD TV???

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127386

-bin

[Demz]

thats the one i have an works fine i also have a HDMI monitor but i do not use the HDMI on it.

[bin2gray]

thats the one i have an works fine i also have a HDMI monitor but i do not use the HDMI on it.

Are you running Fedora 10? What video resolution are you using? Using the DVI port or the PC Video port?

-bin

[Demz]

i use fedora10 an i have 1680x1050 which is the resolution of my monitor .. i use DVI

[bin2gray]

i use fedora10 an i have 1680x1050 which is the resolution of my monitor .. i use DVI

Thanks for the help! What version of the nvidia drivers are you using?

[Demz]

177.82 at the moment til they release 180.22 though i believe there is a bug with the 180.22 where there is a 180.25 driver out, leigh123@linux might have it in his Nvidia thread in the Guides & How to section

[hephasteus]

Today's patches finally fixed most of the sound and video problems. I figured a month but it's been a good solid 6 weeks.

On board 8200 finally shows videos without locking up whole computer and stuttering.

[bin2gray]

Today's patches finally fixed most of the sound and video problems. I figured a month but it's been a good solid 6 weeks.

On board 8200 finally shows videos without locking up whole computer and stuttering.

How do I go about applying the patches??

# rpm -qa |grep nvidia
nvidia-x11-drv-180.22-1.fc10.i386

[hephasteus]

How do I go about applying the patches??

# rpm -qa |grep nvidia
nvidia-x11-drv-180.22-1.fc10.i386

system->administration->update system

[Demz]

How do I go about applying the patches??

# rpm -qa |grep nvidia
nvidia-x11-drv-180.22-1.fc10.i386

or just go to Applications > System Tools > Terminal login as user root su -
password

yum check-update

[bin2gray]

system->administration->update system

It tells me no updates are available :confused:

[Demz]

are you using your ATI card or Nvidia? .maybe your mirrors have synced yet. give it time

or go into Terminal an login as user root an do a yum clean all then do a yum check-update

[bin2gray]

WTF! after trying a

#yum check-update

I thought I would try:

# rpm -qa |grep nvidia
nvidia-x11-drv-180.22-1.fc10.i386
# yum update nvidia-x11-drv
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-i386 = 180.25-1.fc10 for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Processing Dependency: livna-config-display >= 0.0.21 for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Processing Dependency: nvidia-kmod >= 180.25 for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Processing Dependency: livna-config-display for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Running transaction check
---> Package livna-config-display.noarch 0:0.0.22-1.fc10 set to be updated
---> Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-nvidia.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686 = 180.25-1.fc10 for package: kmod-nvidia
--> Running transaction check
---> Package kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================== ================================================== ================================================== =======================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
================================================== ================================================== ================================================== =======================
Installing:
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia i386 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 3.0 M
replacing nvidia-x11-drv.i386 180.22-1.fc10

Installing for dependencies:
kmod-nvidia i686 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 24 k
kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686 i686 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 2.5 M
livna-config-display noarch 0.0.22-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree 65 k
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs i386 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 6.7 M

Transaction Summary
================================================== ================================================== ================================================== =======================
Install 5 Package(s)
Update 0 Package(s)
Remove 0 Package(s)

Total download size: 12 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/5): kmod-nvidia-180.25-1.fc10.i686.rpm | 24 kB 00:00
(2/5): livna-config-display-0.0.22-1.fc10.noarch.rpm | 65 kB 00:00
(3/5): kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686-180.25-1.fc10.i686.rpm | 2.5 MB 00:15
(4/5): xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-180.25-1.fc10.i386.rpm | 3.0 MB 00:10
(5/5): xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-180.25-1.fc10.i386.rpm | 6.7 MB 00:24
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 239 kB/s | 12 MB 00:52
================================================== =========================== Entering rpm code ================================================== ===========================
Running rpm_check_debug
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
Installing : livna-config-display 1/6
Installing : xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs 2/6
Installing : kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686 3/6
Installing : kmod-nvidia 4/6
Installing : xorg-x11-drv-nvidia 5/6
Will not allow reverting from driver 'nvidia' to 'nvidia'.
Using the 'nv' driver instead.
Erasing : nvidia-x11-drv 6/6
================================================== =========================== Leaving rpm code ================================================== ============================

Installed:
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10

Dependency Installed:
kmod-nvidia.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 livna-config-display.noarch 0:0.0.22-1.fc10
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10

Replaced:
nvidia-x11-drv.i386 0:180.22-1.fc10

Complete!
#


Now I can't boot into X at all.

I'm tempted to just shoot myself and get this over with once and for all.

-bin (posting from a Widows laptop now)

For the record I removed the ATI card after I could not get it to work the first time around and presumably removed all its associated packages.

[Demz]

WTF! after trying a

#yum check-update

I thought I would try:

# rpm -qa |grep nvidia
nvidia-x11-drv-180.22-1.fc10.i386
# yum update nvidia-x11-drv
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-i386 = 180.25-1.fc10 for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Processing Dependency: livna-config-display >= 0.0.21 for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Processing Dependency: nvidia-kmod >= 180.25 for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Processing Dependency: livna-config-display for package: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia
--> Running transaction check
---> Package livna-config-display.noarch 0:0.0.22-1.fc10 set to be updated
---> Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-nvidia.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686 = 180.25-1.fc10 for package: kmod-nvidia
--> Running transaction check
---> Package kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

================================================== ================================================== ================================================== =======================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
================================================== ================================================== ================================================== =======================
Installing:
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia i386 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 3.0 M
replacing nvidia-x11-drv.i386 180.22-1.fc10

Installing for dependencies:
kmod-nvidia i686 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 24 k
kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686 i686 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 2.5 M
livna-config-display noarch 0.0.22-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree 65 k
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs i386 180.25-1.fc10 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 6.7 M

Transaction Summary
================================================== ================================================== ================================================== =======================
Install 5 Package(s)
Update 0 Package(s)
Remove 0 Package(s)

Total download size: 12 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/5): kmod-nvidia-180.25-1.fc10.i686.rpm | 24 kB 00:00
(2/5): livna-config-display-0.0.22-1.fc10.noarch.rpm | 65 kB 00:00
(3/5): kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686-180.25-1.fc10.i686.rpm | 2.5 MB 00:15
(4/5): xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-180.25-1.fc10.i386.rpm | 3.0 MB 00:10
(5/5): xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-180.25-1.fc10.i386.rpm | 6.7 MB 00:24
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 239 kB/s | 12 MB 00:52
================================================== =========================== Entering rpm code ================================================== ===========================
Running rpm_check_debug
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
Installing : livna-config-display 1/6
Installing : xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs 2/6
Installing : kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686 3/6
Installing : kmod-nvidia 4/6
Installing : xorg-x11-drv-nvidia 5/6
Will not allow reverting from driver 'nvidia' to 'nvidia'.
Using the 'nv' driver instead.
Erasing : nvidia-x11-drv 6/6
================================================== =========================== Leaving rpm code ================================================== ============================

Installed:
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10

Dependency Installed:
kmod-nvidia.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686.i686 0:180.25-1.fc10 livna-config-display.noarch 0:0.0.22-1.fc10
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.i386 0:180.25-1.fc10

Replaced:
nvidia-x11-drv.i386 0:180.22-1.fc10

Complete!
#


Now I can't boot into X at all.

I'm tempted to just shoot myself and get this over with once and for all.

-bin (posting from a Widows laptop now)

For the record I removed the ATI card after I could not get it to work the first time around and presumably removed all its associated packages.
when you downloaded the new kernel did you keep the old kernel ?

[bin2gray]

when you downloaded the new kernel did you keep the old kernel ?

yes, and I have tried booting to it and the same thing happens.

I notice that my xorg.conf gets recreated by livna-config-display each time and it put the nv driver in.

I also notice that on boot up I get a message indicating an inability to find nvidia.ko

....

Any ideas?

(I really appreciate you being out there - it feels lonely here!)

[bin2gray]

yes, and I have tried booting to it and the same thing happens.

I notice that my xorg.conf gets recreated by livna-config-display each time and it put the nv driver in.

I also notice that on boot up I get a message indicating an inability to find nvidia.ko

....

Any ideas?

(I really appreciate you being out there - it feels lonely here!)

I guess the thing is I had previously installed the 180.22 driver per the instruction on post #3 in this thread
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=204752
thus the reason I had
nvidia-x11-drv-180.22-1.fc10.i386.rpm
and not the other rpms shown in a previous post of mine.

I'm thinking this is a key point ...

[Demz]

ok what your gonna need to do is this an im sure this will fix it

delete the livna-config-display if your using leigh123@linux instructions

[bin2gray]

ok what your gonna need to do is this an im sure this will fix it

delete the livna-config-display if your using leigh123@linux instructions

When I do a

#yum remove livna-config-display

yum wants to remove all the other nvidia stuff too. How do I go about removing just livna-config-display?

And what do I do about an xorg.conf file? I kept my old one (but it gets overwritten on every boot)

-bin

[Demz]

the Nvidia drivers you installed from leigh123@linux's thread did you remove those before installing the drivers from RPMFusion?

[bin2gray]

the Nvidia drivers you installed from leigh123@linux's thread did you remove those before installing the drivers from RPMFusion?


They were removed when I did the 'update' - you can see it in that earlier post. Anyway, that rpm no longer exists on my box.

[Demz]

just a guess but im wondering when you did the update to RPMFusion Drivers it overwrote the previous drivers? which has caused a conflict between the 2. the only real way i would think of fixing this an thats totally removing all traces of the nvidia driver(s) you may also have drivers left over from leighs howto on your fedora10 install, check to see if there still lurking around an if they are, remove them. then reinstall the drivers from RPMFusion

[bin2gray]

When I do a

#yum remove livna-config-display

yum wants to remove all the other nvidia stuff too. How do I go about removing just livna-config-display?

And what do I do about an xorg.conf file? I kept my old one (but it gets overwritten on every boot)

-bin

Well, I removed all the nvidia and kmod packages and then installed the akmod equivs and now I am back up in X. Unforunately, after all this my video performance (just simple 2D stuff mind you!) still sucks. I need to find a new card. This experience with nvidia is what drove me to try an ATI. Don't know what to do from here.

DEMZ, thanks for all your help!

-bin

[Demz]

no problem. though yeah i would more than likely go after that nvidia 9500GT 512MB card as i get 3D with it fine.

i dont hold much hope to get any ATI 3D drivers till atleast the 2.6.30 Kernel is out which is when i think the 9.1 ATI driver will or should become available

[bin2gray]

Never did get the onboard Nvidia 8200 to work well - simple things like flash video were barely watchable and I would loose video signal at random times for a couple of seconds making it really unusable. That was using the 177, and 180.22/25 driver versions.

On Demz suggestion I forked out for a 9500GT card (AUS EN9500GT Magic, HDMI) and now everything is working great.

-bin

[Demz]

thats good its now working for you