F10 as VirtualBox 2.0 guest -- anyone get it to work?

[rweed]

I'm running VB 2.0 under OSX and am encountering an error on the initial boot of F10 Alpha from the ISO to install it. I created a VM using all the defaults (picking Fedora as the OS type). See attached screenshot.

F9 install disc boots up fine...

Any clues?

tia, Rick

[PompeyBlue]

I submitted this as a bug in bugzilla here (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=458458)
If you could append your screen shot that would be great. Also if possible, can you try the disc on native hardware to see if it's a virtualisation issue ? The machine I tried it on is fairly dedicated and I can't install FC10 on it natively >_<

[glennzo]

Nope. I've tried several times using the install DVD. No go.

[SlowJet]

Virtualbox does not do guest development kernels.
There needs to be several parts coded for a new kernel to work.

SJ

[rweed]

Virtualbox does not do guess development kernels.
There needs to be several parts coded for a new kernel to work.
You guess? How is that helpful?

[SlowJet]

You guess? How is that helpful?

Sorry, GUEST!

The host is only a matter of adjustments for the new kernel and a new or compatible rpm.

2.6.27 rpm.fc9 for F10 - not exactly matched up and no guarantee to work.

The guest needs vbox code, like mouse, video, keyboard drv's, add-ons, etc.

F10 Alpha may install but it will not run very well without updates and the only kernel on the dev repo is 2.6.27-314.rc5-git9.
You could get one from koji but the other parts updated may be beyond 2.6.26-1.

SJ

[lucabotti]

Guess is a MAC OS X issue. I am running Fedora 10 on as guest of a Fedora 9 installation with virtualbox 2.0 as well. All i working perfectly (installed also the virtualbox extensions..).

[rweed]

Guess is a MAC OS X issue. I am running Fedora 10 on as guest of a Fedora 9 installation with virtualbox 2.0 as well. All i working perfectly (installed also the virtualbox extensions..).
VB 2.0.2 was just released and corrected the problem.

[Dangermouse]

I installed f10 64bit live cd in virtualbox and works fine for me
VirtualBox.x86_64 2.0.0_36011_fedora9-1installed

[glennzo]

I just grabbed 2.0.2 and installed it. Now I'm working on installing Fedora 10 Alpha. So far so good. Got past the kernel panic and installing system now. Thanks for the heads up rweed.

[Dangermouse]

Just a note a little off topic, dont use autologin in f10, twice i enabled it and twice it froze on login after updates for me, in virtualbox, but then i could just be me :rolleyes:

[iamvoyager]

hmmm... interestingly, it was working until I performed the image integrity scan (or whatever it's called). It resulted in an error, saying maybe I should clean my cd/dvd, then I couldn't get any further in the install. So I reset the machine and got unbootable media (until remounting the image). Strange.

While sort of on the same topic, has the disk check ever actually worked for anyone? I had issues with it in both F8 and F9.

EDIT: seems to be going through the disc check okay now. must have just been a temporary glitch...

EDIT2: Yeah, it definitely won't let me continue after the check. It doesn't think the disc is still there. I think this is the problem I had with F9 (whereas in F8, it always just failed the test).

[sej7278]

While sort of on the same topic, has the disk check ever actually worked for anyone? I had issues with it in both F8 and F9.

i don't know why they still have that - i don't think it's ever worked since about fedora6 - surely most of use use sha1sum on the iso's we download anyway, and if you can't burn a decent dvd these days, well.....

[rweed]

Okay, everything was fine until I did 'yum update'. Ends up in some kind of endless loop on boot...if I pick the original kernel, I'm okay.

[Seve]

Okay, everything was fine until I did 'yum update'. Ends up in some kind of endless loop on boot...if I pick the original kernel, I'm okay.
Hello:
Which kernel are you having problems with ?

Seve

[rweed]

Which kernel are you having problems with ?Seve
I just updated it again today and it's still happening, so the very latest one. I am running VirtualBox 2.0.2 on Mac OSX.

I can pick the original kernel that is still at the bottom of the list and it boots up no problem. The updated kernel looks like it's in an endless loop dumping stack traces to the screen on boot-up.

Rick

[ajamison]

Sorry, GUEST!

The host is only a matter of adjustments for the new kernel and a new or compatible rpm.

2.6.27 rpm.fc9 for F10 - not exactly matched up and no guarantee to work.

The guest needs vbox code, like mouse, video, keyboard drv's, add-ons, etc.

F10 Alpha may install but it will not run very well without updates and the only kernel on the dev repo is 2.6.27-314.rc5-git9.
You could get one from koji but the other parts updated may be beyond 2.6.26-1.

SJ

I get the same error but I have been able to run alpha and beta releases in the past on a virtual machine so this is odd

[glennzo]

Installed Fedora 10 Beta under VirtualBox 2.0.2 and it installed without trouble. Fedora 10 is extremely slow though. Likely a setting on my end. Don't care though. Just another toy.

[marko]

Installed Fedora 10 Beta under VirtualBox 2.0.2 and it installed without trouble. Fedora 10 is extremely slow though. Likely a setting on my end. Don't care though. Just another toy.

I found that F10Beta 64bit really needs a lot of RAM in the VM in VirtualBox,
I finally just cranked it up to:

807Megs, 16Meg Video memory, ACPI on, IO APIC off, VT-x on, and PAE off

and then it seemed to install ok, with lower ram, the cdrom activity icon in VBox just constantly flickers and the cpu stays maxed out.

Host: Intel Q6600 with 8GB RAM, Asus P5E M/Board, Fedora 9 X86_64
Guest: F10Beta 64bit Live CD, Virtual Box 2.0.2 64bit version, 807Megs

It probably also helps to turn the selinux to permissive in the F10Beta VM before you do the big install to disk and yum update.

[johno12345]

Hi guys,

I had loads of problems initially with trying to get F10 working in V Box.
Figured a way around by installing F9 and upgrading via yum using the rawhide repository.

Got a nice F10 with KDE desktop running sweet!

[rweed]

Update:Just got VirtualBox 2.0.4 (for OSX) and updated my F10 via yum and all is working again. Maybe it will last lol

[Frank64]

Hey, it's been a while since the last post here, but at least I don't need to create a new thread.

I run opensuse but decided to test some other distros and god Fedora 9 KDE and 10 KDE are so good looking, there is very minimal GUI changes I would apply to fit my needs. :) So I am waiting for F10 (Nov 25th!) to do the switch.

In the meantime I tried F10 9.93 KDE 64-bits under VBox 2.0.4 64-bits host and god it is awfully slow!!!!!!! So slow that it hangs pretty much at every place it can during installation and after 6 or 7 tries I could not get to the point where it copies files to the disk and does the installation. Right after taking over the disk it hangs, that's as far as I could get, yet. And the mouse is suuuuuuuuuuuuuper slow, it constantly reads the iso attached on the VM. The clock, well sometimes it takes over 10 and even 20 mins before it updates.

I tried in VBox 32-bits Windows at work and it's also quite slow, though much less, and I was able to install it. I then get kernel failures at every boot, even simply by booting the liveCD, both in 32-bits and 64-bits.

Is that supposed to be fixed or should I file a bug to see what's going on? So far I could not find information on that.

tnx

[marko]

Hey, it's been a while since the last post here, but at least I don't need to create a new thread.

I run opensuse but decided to test some other distros and god Fedora 9 KDE and 10 KDE are so good looking, there is very minimal GUI changes I would apply to fit my needs. :) So I am waiting for F10 (Nov 25th!) to do the switch.

In the meantime I tried F10 9.93 KDE 64-bits under VBox 2.0.4 64-bits host and god it is awfully slow!!!!!!! So slow that it hangs pretty much at every place it can during installation and after 6 or 7 tries I could not get to the point where it copies files to the disk and does the installation. Right after taking over the disk it hangs, that's as far as I could get, yet. And the mouse is suuuuuuuuuuuuuper slow, it constantly reads the iso attached on the VM. The clock, well sometimes it takes over 10 and even 20 mins before it updates.

I tried in VBox 32-bits Windows at work and it's also quite slow, though much less, and I was able to install it. I then get kernel failures at every boot, even simply by booting the liveCD, both in 32-bits and 64-bits.

Is that supposed to be fixed or should I file a bug to see what's going on? So far I could not find information on that.

tnx

The beta has a lot of debugging symbols and traps in it, it's possible this makes virtualization super slow. When certain X86 calls occur, the VM has to trap the
call, flush out various state tables in the cpu and do other things that hurt performance. Another thing that makes Linux a bit slow in VMs is that
in the recent past the kernel "Jiffy" was increased from 100 HZ to 1000HZ.

(this is the CONFIG_HZ value in your kernel config file, see:
/boot/config* files )

Some people have suggested it might be good to recompile kernels to revert them to 100HZ if they are used as VMs. It might be a good idea to add the Jiffy value to the sysctl system so the recompile could be avoided (or maybe make the kernel jiffy constant be a kernel option that is passed from grub).
Basically we won't know how F10 runs in a VM until the official version comes out that's been stripped out.

[Frank64]

I think you're right when you say 1000hz and it slows down and debugging symbols/traps, cuz even in VMWare I get the same issue. So the difference now is way too huge to say the problem is VBox, my machine, 64-bits archi, or something. I tested all this to the extremes, so it must be something inside beta version, I would tend to agree with you.

For 1000hz, I'll take a look at work in Windows, this one got through.

My opensuse has 250hz. I also have 250 in a virtualized Kubuntu. 1000 would be set when, or for what purposes?

It's also sad the repos don't seem to work with the beta version (I was getting errors when performing queries), I can't test installing the packages I run, but I will certainly wait another 14 days and try out the final release. :)

[marko]

You should do ok with the repositories if you only use
rpmfusion-free-rawhide rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide and rawhide

I did a F9 -> preupgrade -> F10 beta and it seems ok.

On the other hard, I did a F9 -> preupgrade -> F10 Beta
on my office PC and it crashed in the middle because I used
a virtual terminal while preupgrade was installing the packages. Somehow the
anaconda as used in preupgrade doesn't like that.. maybe it's something with
all the X changes they have in Fedora 10. If you do a preupgrade,
don't mess with it as it's running! My rpm database wasn't quite right after than
and I had to clean it up by hand. But it's ok now.

[Frank64]

Good, tnx for the info. :) Each distro has its way with beta versions.

I am new to Fedora, how exactly you connect to the rpmfusionfree, non-free and rawhide repos?

For the moment it cannot retrieve metadata repomd.xml. In software management the origin of packages shows rawhide been the one I use. I checked all of them and I get same problem. I guess I have to do command line stuff then.

Is there a web page with a quick tutorial on that for Fedora?

tnx

[marko]

Is there a web page with a quick tutorial on that for Fedora?


this isn't very detailed but it's official and up to date:
http://www.fedorafaq.org/#installsoftware


If you go to a terminal window and running this:

yum repolist enabled

If that fails with the error that the metadata is not retrievable,try clearing the yum cache and retry:

yum clean all
yum repolist enabled

it should list: fedora, updates, rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide and rpmfusion-free-rawhide

later you might add adobe-linux-i386 which is a repository for adobe flash and other adobe stuff (adobe reader)

if that command
lists that you have rpmfusion nonfree and free, then you're already setup for rpmfusion. Unfortunately I don't know of a good "yum" tutorial, the ones I've found are mostly so old that they don't include the current features. You can get a pretty good command list in the terminal with the help option:


yum --help


There's a nice GUI front end called "yumex", you can bootstrap to that by using
yum to get yumex and then run yumex:

su -
<rootpassword>
yum -y install yumex
yumex

[Frank64]

yum! The good old yummy yum! :) Should have thought about that.

Tnx for the website too, I will start reading some more on Fedora, I have discovered differences in default configuration between suse and fedora that I want to assess and learn, so I will take a look on the fedorafaqs and play more with the released 10 version on Nov25+. :)

tnx!