Unknown internet problems

[blanky]

hello all , i am new to the linux world , and i need a little help here.
I have recently installed a fedora core 8 , i want to host an server on it.
Now i've got a problem with the network , let me explain all.
My isp gave me a program (on windows) to connect to their servers with an username and password , and it worked.And now i want to have internet and on fedora , i downloaded that program (they have a version for linux too) and configured it , it works fine , but after 6-7 minutes , it simply disconnects , and again after some time ,reconnects and disconnects.
I can give you the link to the program if you want , but i don't know if i am allowed.
I got dual-boot with windows xp profesional sp2.
All the internet data (ip , gateway ,dns) that are in windows are on fedora too.
I just want to know if i can use an alternative program to do that...

[glennzo]

I'm not sure I understand completely. You need a special program from your ISP so that you can host a server with their blessings, while using Linux or a special program just to be able to connect to the internet with Linux?

[blanky]

no , they just gave me an program so i can connect to the internet with my username and password.

[glennzo]

Is it cable internet? Last time I needed a username and password to connect was back in my DSL days.

[blanky]

no , i am on a fibre optic connection.

[glennzo]

Cable and DSL can both be fiber optic. You don't know if you have cable or DSL. It's not FIOS. is it?

[blanky]

Its cable , i just checked now.

[glennzo]

Then you should be connected. Open a terminal and type /sbin/ifconfig. Post the result here please.

[blanky]

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:21:3E:A7:09
inet addr:89.46.xxx.xxx Bcast:89.46.169.159 Mask:255.255.255.224
inet6 addr: fe80::219:21ff:fe3e:a709/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:2774 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:66 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:194293 (189.7 KiB) TX bytes:8009 (7.8 KiB)
Interrupt:23 Base address:0xe800

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:4119 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4119 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:2325968 (2.2 MiB) TX bytes:2325968 (2.2 MiB)

[glennzo]

Looks good. How about the result of ping www.google.com ???

[blanky]

Here they are

64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=37.6 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=35.2 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=3 ttl=246 time=45.9 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=4 ttl=246 time=39.2 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=5 ttl=246 time=44.8 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=6 ttl=246 time=40.0 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=7 ttl=246 time=37.4 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=8 ttl=246 time=36.9 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=9 ttl=246 time=42.3 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=10 ttl=246 time=39.9 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=11 ttl=246 time=36.5 ms
64 bytes from mu-in-f103.google.com (209.85.135.103): icmp_seq=12 ttl=246 time=37.1 ms

Is there anyway to connect to the internet on fedora core 8 without any 3rd party program ? and if yes , how?

Btw , thanks a lot for helping me , sorry for wasting you time...

[glennzo]

You're not wasting my time. No worries. You are already connected to the internet and should be able to open Firefox and surf the same to your hearts' content. Are you using another computer to respond to this thread? What happens when you open Firefox in Fedora 8 and type in www.google.com?

[blanky]

the last 2 posts i made them on the fedora system , on the same computer , now i am on windows (same computer) because , the internet stopped working.
1 more thing.When the internet "crashes" on linux , i can still acces the isp's website , but i can't access sites like google.com , the same applies on windows.

[glennzo]

Stop that program that you are using to connect to the internet, the one you said you got from your ISP, and try the same steps, ping and ifconfig. See if the results are the same.

[blanky]

ok , i think i found the problem , i need an java version of the program , i will make a new post if it will works.

And regarding your post , i can't find any way to close it :| , i deleted the folder where it resides , but hell , it still works , and i can't find the process.

[glennzo]

What's it called? Don't do anything else until you kill this process (program) and try the internet without it running.

[blanky]

the program is called internetstarter

[glennzo]

OK. I don't know how this program was installed or what exactly it does, but if its still running (deleting the folder probably wasn't the best idea) you need to kill or stop it. See if its running with this command:
/sbin/chkconfig --list internetstarter
You will see output similar to this example:
[glenn@toshiba ~]$ /sbin/chkconfig --list smb
smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off
In my example, samba is running in runlevels 3 and 5. If I wanted to turn off samba I would type
/sbin/chkconfig --level 35 smb offAnd then stop samba with the command /sbin/service smb stopSo, if you see internetstarter running then you need to turn it off and stop it with the above commands, replacing smb with internetstarter. If its not running as a service then use top, run in a terminal. Output looks similar to the attached screen shot. Using gkrellm as an example in the screen shot, look at the PID of the program, 2885, and using the terminal / top hit the letter k. Top will ask for the PID to kill. Enter gkrellms PID and press enter, twice I believe to take the default answer for the second question. Lemme know what's up.

[blanky]

ok , i did everything you told , but i can't find that process , here are what processes are running

734 blanky 20 0 42248 18m 13m S 3 3.6 0:06.58 gnome-system-mo
2459 root 20 0 287m 22m 6932 S 2 4.6 0:13.07 X
2559 blanky 20 0 20748 9188 7292 S 0 1.8 0:00.77 metacity
2768 blanky 20 0 92748 19m 12m S 0 3.9 0:00.36 gnome-terminal
2792 blanky 20 0 2272 1048 800 R 0 0.2 0:00.05 top
1 root 20 0 2112 668 576 S 0 0.1 0:01.09 init
2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
4 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 ksoftirqd/0
5 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0
6 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
7 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 ksoftirqd/1
8 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/1
9 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 events/0
10 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 events/1
11 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
63 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.06 kblockd/0

Regarding the program , i did searched about him , and founded that the users had exactly the same problem , and switched to the java version , and it worked

[glennzo]

You can try the Java version if you want. As it stands now, you are connected to the internet but apparently there is that pesky program in your way. What about the command /sbin/ifconfig --list internetstarter ?? Did that show anything?

[blanky]

Ok , the java version removed the other version , and now i removed the java version too.
here are the results:
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:21:3E:A7:09
inet addr:89.46.169.158 Bcast:89.46.169.159 Mask:255.255.255.224
inet6 addr: fe80::219:21ff:fe3e:a709/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:43622 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:8369389 (7.9 MiB) TX bytes:644129 (629.0 KiB)
Interrupt:23 Base address:0xc800

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:4239 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4239 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:2365528 (2.2 MiB) TX bytes:2365528 (2.2 MiB)

And when i ping www.google.com , i receive this.
PING www.l.google.com (209.85.135.103) 56(84) bytes of data.

And no , that command didn't showed up the program.

[glennzo]

When you ping google you don't get the same results you got in post #11 ?

[blanky]

yes , i don't get the same results.

Btw , isn't there any way to to connect to the internet without any GUI and without that program ? That program is made in java , and it requires a damn GUI .Should i install a desktop environment like xfce ? Because i want to host on this computer a game server

[glennzo]

If you're trying to setup a server then I guess you should do whatever your ISP tells you to do as most IPS's don't allow hosting servers on your home computer without their consent (and probably a small fee). In fact, if you run a server at home without their consent they will likely block to common ports on you so that the server will no longer work. If you are just like the rest of us and just want to be 'on the internet' like the rest of us then no, there is no special software that you need. Near the top of this thread you were connected to the web. That was proven by the ping results and the output of ifconfig. Generally speaking, one installs Linux and fires up a web browser and you're good to go. No magic needed. In some cases network adapters are not properly recognized by the system. As a result you have no internet connection. That's when it starts to get tricky and sometimes very frustrating. So, I've lost track of exactly what it is that you are trying to accomplish. Home server or just home user trying to surf the web like everyone else?

[blanky]

I am trying to host a server , and i talked to the isp employers , and they told me i can.
But now it all works fine , that was all i wanted. Thanks for your help! and sorry if i said something dumb , i am a big linux newb.

[glennzo]

What's dumb? We are all still Linux newbies. We're just at different experience levels, save for a select few on this form that clearly stand head and shoulders above the rest.
You asked a question here and got answers. Some of the answers may have been good. Some of them may not have been so good. The bottom line is that you got your issue solved. If it was solved because of the answers you received then that's great. If not, then the answers must have made you think a little harder and try a little harder yourself. Bottom line. Its all good. Oh, and now you're an expert with your particular issue of setting up a home server with your particular ISP. :p Have fun.